What's The Correct Pass/Run Ratio For This Team?

[Hoofbite]

Just thinking about the "Garrett Myth" thread and all the talk of what ratio teams use now. I think 60/40 was advocated as a number that "top teams" go with now. As completely incorrect as that was, it did make me think of what Dallas should be doing.

Personally, I think a slightly run heavy ratio would be best over the course of a season. Few games will obviously be pass heavy but over the whole year, I'd like a few more runs than passes.

What about the rest of you. Where you siding?

I guess if I had to put a number, I'd go 52/48.

 

[CF74]

65-35 Run/Pass and gradually increase the pass as the D completely sells out to stuff the run...

 

[Jenky]

There is none and it depends on who you play. If a team gave up 300 yards on the ground, why the heck would you not continue pounding their faces in?

 

[CATCH17]

100% pass

 

[hairic]

Depends on the defense first, then aiming for 45 run / 55 pass. 50/50 is ideal in theory, but the rules skew in favor of the passing game.

 

[dcfanatic]

I think 55/45 would be fine.

But my question with Jason Garrett is this.

We have seen him give us 70/30, or close, pass to run ratios plenty of times.

And I mean in games that are competitive.

When are we going to see that flipped?

When will we see a 70/30, or close, as his gameplan run to pass ratio coming into Sunday and stick with it in a close game?

 

[Jimz31]

Last night, I looked at every game that we played and overall we are right at 60/40 Pass/Run.

If you take out those runs where we were simply running to take the clock down, it's more around 63/37 or so.

Also, I didn't count those Romo runs as runs as they were busted plays.

But I agree thta I would LIKE to see "some" more running of the ball. But I'd also like to see our weapons get on the field....Choice and FJ are more of a weapon in the running game than Barber at this point. I'm fine with bringing MBIII in in the 4th quarter and sporadically during the game such as on 3rd and short....I think BP had it right with him.

We shouldn't get away from the run just because the defense stops it a couple of times....gotta keep plugging away with it sometimes.

There are plenty of things that I would like to see changed with the way that the "O" is run, but it WON'T change....it just won't. We have a former QB as the OC....passing is just a part of who he is....we are lucky that we have Romo....I have ZERO complaints against him.

The one thing that was ridiculous in this season that sticks out to me was that Giants game....they couldn't stop the run and we went to passes in the 4th qtr....it was a close game and we had the lead....keep running it....we were killing them with it. Stay with what is working and quit getting too "smart" with the Ivy League diploma......sometimes you can out-think yourself.

However, If Romo is on....keep throwing it....if the run is working SPRINKLE in the pass to keep the defense honest.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I agree that we should run more

but running doesn't score points

it just doesn't

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

The fighting idiots of FB say it should be 60/50.

 

[Zman5]

62.137%/37.873%

Kidding aside, we need to run more to keep the defense honest.

 

[Rampage]

their's no set ratio. too many factors like healthy personel,the defense we're playing, etc. but 1 thing is for sure you should try to establish the ground game in every football game especially on the road against a quality opponent. Jason Garrett got impatient and did not do that against Green Bay.

 

[Hostile]

I think 55/45 would be fine.

Right now, it stands at 56/44.

 

[dcfanatic]

Right now, it stands at 56/44.

This is good.

Garrett has only paniced once so far this season. I like that we were balanced for the most part in the other 8 games.

Some days you just have to win by being overly patient and knowing when and where to pick your spots. He did a great job with this in Philly.

Jason Garrett didn't lose this game. The Cowboys did.

But if there is one situation where I think he blew it was the drive after the Packers went up 10-0. He runs Felix for four yards on a first down.

Will he run the ball again on second down?

No. I know this and so does Dom Capers.

Why? Because after Choice failed to pick up that first down on the 3rd and 4 (fell about a foot short) early in the game Garrett never ran the ball on two consecutive plays again.

In the third quarter he showed Capers he had given up on the run on the two drives we had. Garrett acted like he was going to be arrested if he ran the ball on a 2nd and 11 or on a 2nd and 13. As if this offense had never ripped off a running play for 5, 6, or 7+ yards which could have put us in a manageable 3rd down.

He just seemed to play his cards as if the score was 17-0 when it was 3-0. And then as if it was 27-0 when it was 10-0.

 

[Jarv]

This is good.

Garrett has only paniced once so far this season. I like that we were balanced for the most part in the other 8 games.

Some days you just have to win by being overly patient and knowing when and where to pick your spots. He did a great job with this in Philly.

Jason Garrett didn't lose this game. The Cowboys did.

But if there is one situation where I think he blew it was the drive after the Packers went up 10-0. He runs Felix for four yards on a first down.

Will he run the ball again on second down?

No. I know this and so does Dom Capers.

Why? Because after Choice failed to pick up that first down on the 3rd and 4 (fell about a foot short) early in the game Garrett never ran the ball on two consecutive plays again.

In the third quarter he showed Capers he had given up on the run on the two drives we had. Garrett acted like he was going to be arrested if he ran the ball on a 2nd and 11 or on a 2nd and 13. As if this offense had never ripped off a running play for 5, 6, or 7+ yards which could have put us in a manageable 3rd down.

He just seemed to play his cards as if the score was 17-0 when it was 3-0. And then as if it was 27-0 when it was 10-0.

I bet Garrett sucks at poker...

 

[The Realist]

With these 3 RB's we should be 90/10, pass/run.

 

[EPL0c0]

I think it highly depends on what the defense is giving you.

BUT, when the QB has more incomplete passes than the team has rushing attempts, I think that might not be a good thing.

 

[Hostile]

This is good.

Garrett has only paniced once so far this season. I like that we were balanced for the most part in the other 8 games.

Some days you just have to win by being overly patient and knowing when and where to pick your spots. He did a great job with this in Philly.

Jason Garrett didn't lose this game. The Cowboys did.

But if there is one situation where I think he blew it was the drive after the Packers went up 10-0. He runs Felix for four yards on a first down.

Will he run the ball again on second down?

No. I know this and so does Dom Capers.

Why? Because after Choice failed to pick up that first down on the 3rd and 4 (fell about a foot short) early in the game Garrett never ran the ball on two consecutive plays again.

In the third quarter he showed Capers he had given up on the run on the two drives we had. Garrett acted like he was going to be arrested if he ran the ball on a 2nd and 11 or on a 2nd and 13. As if this offense had never ripped off a running play for 5, 6, or 7+ yards which could have put us in a manageable 3rd down.

He just seemed to play his cards as if the score was 17-0 when it was 3-0. And then as if it was 27-0 when it was 10-0.

I don't mean to sound like a prophet of doom, but there was no way we were going to win the Green Bay game. I really do mean that.

Look, the Cowboys are a decent team, but not an elite team. A 4 game winning streak is just about right. We were not going to win out and run the table. Green Bay was coming off an embarrassing loss to Tampa Bay. They were at home, we were doing back to back road games against very good teams.

That is a recipe for a loss.

I really don't care about all the blather about play calling. It changes from game to game based upon what the Defense is giving you. Green Bay was blitzing like cops charging in on a drug bust. The recipe to make a blitz pay is what? Beat man to man coverage and make them more cautious. That's what we tried to do. For whatever reason, it just didn't work.

I remember in the 1970's there was a big thing about biorhythm charts. The theory was your physical, emotional, and psychological health had up and down cycles. If I remember right (and that is a bit unlikely since I never really bought into it) the physical cycle went through the whole spectrum of highest to lowest in a 29 day cycle. We should be coming up now because we hit the lowest.

Granted, biorhythms were about individuals and not teams, so it is nonsense of course. I just think we were in prime position for a loss and we got beat. I think we are a better team than Green Bay and that they are better than their 5-4 record.

Time to move on from this loss. Dwelling on it and analyzing it to death isn't going to change anything.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think it really depends on who your playing and how they are lining up to play you. I want to see balance on offense and during the 4 game win streak Dallas was able to show some balance in their attack.

 

[dbair1967]

Just thinking about the "Garrett Myth" thread and all the talk of what ratio teams use now. I think 60/40 was advocated as a number that "top teams" go with now. As completely incorrect as that was, it did make me think of what Dallas should be doing.

Personally, I think a slightly run heavy ratio would be best over the course of a season. Few games will obviously be pass heavy but over the whole year, I'd like a few more runs than passes.

What about the rest of you. Where you siding?

I guess if I had to put a number, I'd go 52/48.

It's very simple.

Its whatever produces a win.

I did some research on avg per game pass attempts and avg per game rush attempts this yr and put it in another thread, since it didnt support the views so many want to have, it was basically ignored. But basically it showed that alot fo the teams that will make the playoffs (and win their divisions) rank very high in pass attempts per game, and very low in rush attempts per game. As I recall Indy, San Diego, Philly and Arizona all ranked at the bottom of the league in rush attempts per game. These same teams (plus New England) ranked at the top iof the league in pass attempts per game.

 

[Hostile]

It's very simple.

Its whatever produces a win.

I did some research on avg per game pass attempts and avg per game rush attempts this yr and put it in another thread, since it didnt support the views so many want to have, it was basically ignored. But basically it showed that alot fo the teams that will make the playoffs (and win their divisions) rank very high in pass attempts per game, and very low in rush attempts per game. As I recall Indy, San Diego, Philly and Arizona all ranked at the bottom of the league in rush attempts per game. These same teams (plus New England) ranked at the top iof the league in pass attempts per game.

Post this theory as an independent thread. It deserves some thought. I imagine of the Division leaders New Orleans and Minnesota come the closest to a 50/50 run pass split. I'd be shocked if any team in the NFL runs more than they pass.