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First of all let's get something up front. I've been a Dallas Cowboy fan since 1964. Every year it's SB or bust for me just like the team's goals. So any criticism should be taken as constructive.

I tend to look at the big picture first. I divide the teams goals into those for the offense, defense, STs, and coaching. Drafting is an offseason endeavor.

There are certain long standing goals for NFL teams on offense and defense. I'm not getting into the stats for STs although I recognize there are metrics for punts inside the 20, percentage of touchbacks, yada yada.

Let's do defense first. The defense met its goals this last year. And in general it has done well overall the last decade although it has been too inconsistent at times and crumpled in some games. But the overall goal is to give up 17 points or less per game. Obviously those goals can change and is dictated by game to game situations. But the overall goal seems to work well for teams each year. We met that goal this year with flying colors. We gave up 15.6 ppg which was 2nd in the league. If we put up those numbers next year and avoid those aberrant games like the MN game then we'll be just fine. The one area on defense that needs improvement is the turnover department. And while pass pressure was better than average it wasn't stellar which IMO it should be given our talent. And it didn't show up when needed at times. The run defense was superb giving up 90 ypg and the pass coverage was decent at 225 ypg. That was good for 4th and 20th in the league respectively.

I'm not getting into the defensive needs too deeply but most acknowledge we need a ball hawking FS. I see us taking a NT should one fall. I think we will draft a DB especially if a CB/S hybrid falls. They would jump at a steal at ILB and obviously any 3-4 team is looking for more OLBs.

On offense the gold standard is 25+ points per game. We scored roughly 22 ppg last year. That 22.6 ppg was 14th in the league. What's worse is we gained right at 400 ypg which was 2nd in the league. That should translate into roughly 500 points. We scored 362 points. We left approximately 138 points on the field which is almost 9 ppg. I'm basing that on another gold standard. That is you should score 80 points per 1000 yds gained. The Saints gained a few yards more a game than we did. They scored 500 points off the same yardage we gained.

Our run offense was very good at 131 ypg good for 7th in the league. Three backs gained over 2100 yds at 4.8 ypc. We gained almost 6400 yds and over 1300 more than the opposition. The pass offense was also very good at 268 ypg or 6th in the league. Romo passed for about 4200 yds. But he only threw for 26 tds. His interception ratio was good however.

We are set at TE although I wouldn't turn down a stellar TE in the draft. Witten had over 90 receptions. I see a lot of good there and a little bit of bad. Some of those throws should have gone to the number two WR. We're equally good at RB. I think MB was hurt most of last year. He never regained his form from the first two games. If he can come back and the staff thinks he can then he'll be back. If not then I look for either a trade or he will be released. I don't see the latter happening. So I don't see us drafting at RB. Everyone knows we need future starters on the OL and I see us drafting a C or OG/C as well as an OT. We're set at QB. We need a number two WR. I don't see RW being that guy. I say we draft a WR in either the first or second round no later than the 4th.

I'm not getting into STs. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out we need a kicker. And we could use some help in the kick return game. We were pedestrian for the most part. Punt returns were ok. And our coverages were good. A kicker and a dynamic returner would be great. We must get a kicker.

The most glaring need for the Dallas Cowboys is to score more points. The major hole there is the need for more dynamic WRs. Look at the big passing teams in the league and look at their WRs. Their depth shines compared to ours. BTW, we scored 14 rushing TDs compared to only 26 passing TDs.

Those thinking we don't need another WR need to take another hard look at the state of the union.

There are those that think we need another HC. I'm of the opinion we could have a more dynamic HC but I think any gains from that are offset by the expertise this guy has on the defense. I'm still on the fence regarding Garrett. He can be a genius and at times he appears to be a dunce. You cannot fault the yards gained but you can the points scored. I lay the offensive problems at his feet with the understanding he has been handicapped by a pedestrian number two WR. I wonder if the OL could have better recognition of blitzes and stunts. Whether that's on the OL or the coach or both I don't know. Not privy to that information so I'm left to worry and wonder why. I'm not a big Campo fan as I'm not into the bend don't break philosophy. But I surely do give him and Wade credit for the results. I'm also a fan of our ST's coach.

I'm of reasonably good cheer about the Cowboys and I'm looking forward to another season.
 

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The problem is the unrealistic Super Bowl or Bust mentality that our fanbase possesses.
 

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casmith07;3277164 said:
The problem is the unrealistic Super Bowl or Bust mentality that our fanbase possesses.

Can't say that I agree w ya on this one...superbowl or bust is my stance as well..we aren't the Detroit Lions over here..

As far as the OP is concerned, I would have to say I agree wholeheartedly. Our 2 biggest needs are a playmaker at WR and a playmaker at the safety position..
 

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jobberone;3277142 said:
First of all let's get something up front. I've been a Dallas Cowboy fan since 1964. Every year it's SB or bust for me just like the team's goals. So any criticism should be taken as constructive.

I tend to look at the big picture first. I divide the teams goals into those for the offense, defense, STs, and coaching. Drafting is an offseason endeavor.

There are certain long standing goals for NFL teams on offense and defense. I'm not getting into the stats for STs although I recognize there are metrics for punts inside the 20, percentage of touchbacks, yada yada.

Let's do defense first. The defense met its goals this last year. And in general it has done well overall the last decade although it has been too inconsistent at times and crumpled in some games. But the overall goal is to give up 17 points or less per game. Obviously those goals can change and is dictated by game to game situations. But the overall goal seems to work well for teams each year. We met that goal this year with flying colors. We gave up 15.6 ppg which was 2nd in the league. If we put up those numbers next year and avoid those aberrant games like the MN game then we'll be just fine. The one area on defense that needs improvement is the turnover department. And while pass pressure was better than average it wasn't stellar which IMO it should be given our talent. And it didn't show up when needed at times. The run defense was superb giving up 90 ypg and the pass coverage was decent at 225 ypg. That was good for 4th and 20th in the league respectively.

I'm not getting into the defensive needs too deeply but most acknowledge we need a ball hawking FS. I see us taking a NT should one fall. I think we will draft a DB especially if a CB/S hybrid falls. They would jump at a steal at ILB and obviously any 3-4 team is looking for more OLBs.

On offense the gold standard is 25+ points per game. We scored roughly 22 ppg last year. That 22.6 ppg was 14th in the league. What's worse is we gained right at 400 ypg which was 2nd in the league. That should translate into roughly 500 points. We scored 362 points. We left approximately 138 points on the field which is almost 9 ppg. I'm basing that on another gold standard. That is you should score 80 points per 1000 yds gained. The Saints gained a few yards more a game than we did. They scored 500 points off the same yardage we gained.

Our run offense was very good at 131 ypg good for 7th in the league. Three backs gained over 2100 yds at 4.8 ypc. We gained almost 6400 yds and over 1300 more than the opposition. The pass offense was also very good at 268 ypg or 6th in the league. Romo passed for about 4200 yds. But he only threw for 26 tds. His interception ratio was good however.

We are set at TE although I wouldn't turn down a stellar TE in the draft. Witten had over 90 receptions. I see a lot of good there and a little bit of bad. Some of those throws should have gone to the number two WR. We're equally good at RB. I think MB was hurt most of last year. He never regained his form from the first two games. If he can come back and the staff thinks he can then he'll be back. If not then I look for either a trade or he will be released. I don't see the latter happening. So I don't see us drafting at RB. Everyone knows we need future starters on the OL and I see us drafting a C or OG/C as well as an OT. We're set at QB. We need a number two WR. I don't see RW being that guy. I say we draft a WR in either the first or second round no later than the 4th.

I'm not getting into STs. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out we need a kicker. And we could use some help in the kick return game. We were pedestrian for the most part. Punt returns were ok. And our coverages were good. A kicker and a dynamic returner would be great. We must get a kicker.

The most glaring need for the Dallas Cowboys is to score more points. The major hole there is the need for more dynamic WRs. Look at the big passing teams in the league and look at their WRs. Their depth shines compared to ours. BTW, we scored 14 rushing TDs compared to only 26 passing TDs.

Those thinking we don't need another WR need to take another hard look at the state of the union.

There are those that think we need another HC. I'm of the opinion we could have a more dynamic HC but I think any gains from that are offset by the expertise this guy has on the defense. I'm still on the fence regarding Garrett. He can be a genius and at times he appears to be a dunce. You cannot fault the yards gained but you can the points scored. I lay the offensive problems at his feet with the understanding he has been handicapped by a pedestrian number two WR. I wonder if the OL could have better recognition of blitzes and stunts. Whether that's on the OL or the coach or both I don't know. Not privy to that information so I'm left to worry and wonder why. I'm not a big Campo fan as I'm not into the bend don't break philosophy. But I surely do give him and Wade credit for the results. I'm also a fan of our ST's coach.

I'm of reasonably good cheer about the Cowboys and I'm looking forward to another season.

This is a very solid and objective thought out post. Football is won by teams that make plays and hold their ground. It's painful to mull over how much we have invested in RW without seeing the dividends. If we drafted a play maker in the 1st 4 rounds that is a solid wr and is very dynamic in the return game, it would put us over the edge. Somebody like Percy Harvin. I'm really hoping Ogletree is developing into that guy because that might be as far as Jerry will allow us to go in that dept..
If we are going to see more points then we are going to have to improve the O-line because I don't see Garrett changing his offensive strategy to much. When he makes up his mind that we are going in a certain direction that's it, and that requires more production from the line. We would probably be best served trading up and getting a better LT in the 1st, and maybe a top C/G in the 2nd. Quality over quantity should be the theme in this draft imo...
 

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Dallas has enough playmakers in-house on offense to win a championship. No rookie WR will make more of an impact than Ogletree will next year. Williams should improve provided his work ethic improves and he takes to instruction better. I have hope given his comments at the end of the season that he blames himself for his poor performance. Obviously the OL and FS should be addressed in the draft if possible. The arrow is pointing up right now.
 

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Would any addition on defense make this a Super Bowl team?

Unless you give away the Ranch, there really isn't a position of upgrade that will make a marked improvement which overcomes the offensive side of the ball.

While safety and linebacker are the fan favorites. And nose guard is another. The glaring weakness of this team during our play-off run was not at these positions.

Offensive line is where the dollars should be spent.

Protect Romo and allow him time to make things happen.

If you factor in his production this season of 4482 yards passing then project improvement of three players, it shows he can lead this team to the Championship with this defense as is.

Protect better and get the players you have to up their games and this offense rises to the top.

Just add the yardage to these players and this fixes itself.

RW11 - had 596 - add 204 - 800 yards.........Romo - 4682
Bennett - had 42 - add 200 - 642 yards........Romo - 4862
Ogletree - had 96 - add 225 - 301 yards.......Romo - 5087

Every bit of that is possible. Brees threw for 5069 in 2008.

Give Romo time and this can be reality.
 

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GloryDaysRBack;3277179 said:
Can't say that I agree w ya on this one...superbowl or bust is my stance as well..we aren't the Detroit Lions over here..

As far as the OP is concerned, I would have to say I agree wholeheartedly. Our 2 biggest needs are a playmaker at WR and a playmaker at the safety position..
Does every fan for every team go into the new season thinking "Hey, maybe this year is our year. Maybe we can put together something and make it."

for some teams, might be silly thinking, but i'd imagine that even Lions fans think that this year can be this year, EVERY year
 

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GloryDaysRBack;3277179 said:
Can't say that I agree w ya on this one...superbowl or bust is my stance as well..we aren't the Detroit Lions over here..

As far as the OP is concerned, I would have to say I agree wholeheartedly. Our 2 biggest needs are a playmaker at WR and a playmaker at the safety position..


What I think he means is that winning a Superbowl (although the ultimate goal) is not the final say on a successful season or not.

If it was, that would mean that in Tom Landry's long career he was only successful 2 years ...... and I do not think that is true.
 

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jobberone;3277142 said:
The most glaring need for the Dallas Cowboys is to score more points. The major hole there is the need for more dynamic WRs.
I don't agree.

Our WR's are fine. We need a defense that can cause turnovers and give our offense a shorter field to play with, a PR/KR guy that can give our offense a shorter field to play with and a kicker who can put the ball between the uprights.

Watching our offense get 3 or 4 first downs just to punt is frustrating. We lost the field position game this year. That is why we had to many yards but scored far less than we should have.
 

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Hear, hear!

Today, my boy, you speak the truth.

Yes, we need a WR (FA or draft) who will play opposite Austin for the 2-year window of opportunity we have left. Anybody who is happy with our receivers corps is nut. We have Austin, then . . . then the talent levels drops off with the proud but journeyman Crayton, then the perennial potential of Hurd. Then the young Ogle then all the way down to the bottom of the barrel, our franchise embarrassment, Roy Williams.

Yes! We need a ball-hawking safety/CB.

You pointed to the 22 pt. versus the magical 25 or so points our offense is trying to achieve. You also mentioned that our defense was inconsistent.

Ever wonder why?

Just a thought: Maybe we need a Jimma-type coach on the sidelines to will those extra points. As it is now, our players are playing up to maybe 70 percent of their potential. If a HC with spine could sit RW down, use Ogle and sit down the towel-waver Brooking and the diminishing Newman (if we had a replacement) then maybe that same coach could will through anger and grit, those extra points and extra consistency on defense.

In other words, a HC whose spirit and fire could get us over the top.

But we don't have that.

And our window of opportunity will close in two years maybe as our talent diminishes and other teams rise.

And, by the year 2012, we shall see fat boy Wade shrug and walk away into the sunset, a team on the decline and jerra is back to 1989.

Not a way to treat a loyal fan case.

But to git back to yer post.

Good job. You are a good poster and this is among the best i have read this dreadful offseason.
 

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Plain and simple.
 

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zrinkill;3277341 said:
What I think he means is that winning a Superbowl (although the ultimate goal) is not the final say on a successful season or not.

If it was, that would mean that in Tom Landry's long career he was only successful 2 years ...... and I do not think that is true.

Dear Scarf boy:

If that is your measure of NFL success then you must be rolling in the ecstasy of Wade's season this year.

:laugh2:
 

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zrinkill;3277341 said:
What I think he means is that winning a Superbowl (although the ultimate goal) is not the final say on a successful season or not.

If it was, that would mean that in Tom Landry's long career he was only successful 2 years ...... and I do not think that is true.

:hammer:
 

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Jobber, it's the OL. They give up lots of stuffs (especially in short yardage, red zone), lots of sacks (despite Romo's elusiveness) and lots of penalties which can easily kill a drive.

Add in the lack of TOs due to lack of defensive aggressiveness and poor FG kicking and you have the main reason why we don't score enough points.

I think it would help to have a big play threat at WR opposite Austin but such a fellow could be hard to find unless it happens to be Ogletree.

Mostly, just fix the OL and watch the ppg drastically increase.
 

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We have plenty of talent at the WR position. Show me how many teams have two great WRs which is what you are saying. Austin is the real deal and crayton does fine as the #3 guy. Roy can be the #2 guy and he gets this next season to prove it. No way does jerruh use a high pick on a WR. Not going to happen. I just hope he has gotten over his inability to pull the trigger high on O Line. strengthen the O line and get a good kicker and we will be fine. Kickoff returns are the only part of ST outside of kicking that needs any work. The D held teams to under 16 per game and in this day and age that is great.
 

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for the Dallas Cowboys its superbowl or bust. its that simple, yes..its good to always have winning #s every season. but NO SB, is a complete failure , if YOUR THE DALLAS COWBOYS.
 

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ka0tic;3277400 said:
for the Dallas Cowboys its superbowl or bust. its that simple, yes..its good to always have winning #s every season. but NO SB, is a complete failure , if YOUR THE DALLAS COWBOYS.


So what I'm hearing you guys say is that the Dallas Cowboys have only had 5 successful seasons in the entire history of the franchise, and that all other years are complete failures. :confused: I'm sorry, but I don't buy that. Is the year a complete success without that Lombardi trophy? No, I would say not, but I have a hard time saying that a season is a complete failure if the team doesn't win it all. That means Tom Landry was successful in only about 7% of his seasons as coach, Jimmy Johnson was only successful in only 40% of his seasons, etc. That means that every coach, every team, every quarterback in the hall-of-fame was an abject failure because no one wins superbowls even half of the time. Not even close if they are with a team for a long time. Parcells, Cowher, Walsh, heck, even Vince Lombardi all failed to do anything other than fail the majority of their careers. If that's the case, then why on earth would Wade succeed where all of these others have failed so miserably? Seems a little unrealistic to expect that kind of success year after year to me.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;3277383 said:
Dear Scarf boy:

If that is your measure of NFL success then you must be rolling in the ecstasy of Wade's season this year.

:laugh2:

Sorry kid ..... but your gimmick is just too ******** to take seriously.
 

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big dog cowboy;3277347 said:
Watching our offense get 3 or 4 first downs just to punt is frustrating. We lost the field position game this year. That is why we had to many yards but scored far less than we should have.
:confused: :confused: :confused:

What does field position have to do with countless blown redzone opportunities? And I'm not talking about missed fg's either. We had countless opportunities to put up 6 and either walked away with a fg or missed one...
 

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GimmeTheBall!;3277373 said:
Hear, hear!

Today, my boy, you speak the truth.

Yes, we need a WR (FA or draft) who will play opposite Austin for the 2-year window of opportunity we have left. Anybody who is happy with our receivers corps is nut. We have Austin, then . . . then the talent levels drops off with the proud but journeyman Crayton, then the perennial potential of Hurd. Then the young Ogle then all the way down to the bottom of the barrel, our franchise embarrassment, Roy Williams.

Yes! We need a ball-hawking safety/CB.

You pointed to the 22 pt. versus the magical 25 or so points our offense is trying to achieve. You also mentioned that our defense was inconsistent.

Ever wonder why?

Just a thought: Maybe we need a Jimma-type coach on the sidelines to will those extra points. As it is now, our players are playing up to maybe 70 percent of their potential. If a HC with spine could sit RW down, use Ogle and sit down the towel-waver Brooking and the diminishing Newman (if we had a replacement) then maybe that same coach could will through anger and grit, those extra points and extra consistency on defense.

In other words, a HC whose spirit and fire could get us over the top.

But we don't have that.

And our window of opportunity will close in two years maybe as our talent diminishes and other teams rise.

And, by the year 2012, we shall see fat boy Wade shrug and walk away into the sunset, a team on the decline and jerra is back to 1989.

Not a way to treat a loyal fan case.

But to git back to yer post.

Good job. You are a good poster and this is among the best i have read this dreadful offseason.

Sit our best ILB for who? Barbie? Ridiculous.
Sit Newman, our 2nd best corner for who? Scandrick? Ball? Maybe for a few series but not an entire game...
 
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