Whats the touch back count up to now !

[jubal]

Is Hos in charge of who's leading the league and how many we have.
Talking about Suishams kicking brought this to mind.

 

[theogt]

23. Leading the league.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...=1&d-447263-s=KICKOFF_TOUCHBACKS&d-447263-n=1

 

[Big Dakota]

Leading the NFL, and to think there are still those out there that think it was a stupid pick.

 

[kmp77]

We went from 0 to 23 touchbacks...crazy.

 

[Silverstar]

Hate to rain on this Buehler parade but um...


:storm:

http://www.nfl.com/players/thomasmorstead/careerstats?id=MOR758512



Just when you thought you could trust other sites and their stats....KAPOW!

 

[theogt]

True, always forget about the punter not counted on the NFL.com site.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Hate to rain on this Buehler parade but um...


:storm:

http://www.nfl.com/players/thomasmorstead/careerstats?id=MOR758512



Just when you thought you could trust other sites and their stats....KAPOW!

Well, Morestead does have 28 more kickoffs than Buehler. That might factor into him having 4 more touchbacks.

Koenen from Atlanta kicks off as well, but he hasn't for the entire season. Those touchbacks might be his punts included as well?

 

[theogt]

Well, Morestead does have 28 more kickoffs than Buehler. That might factor into him having 4 more touchbacks.

Koenen from Atlanta kicks off as well, but he hasn't for the entire season. Those touchbacks might be his punts included as well?

Nope, just kickoffs.

But good point about the number of punts. Here's the ranking of the top 15 kickoff kickers (by number of TBs) arranged in terms of TB%:

Olindo Mare	        62	22	35.48%
David Buehler      	68	23	33.82%
S. Janikowski      	51	17	33.33%
Matt Prater	        67	22	32.84%
Rhys Lloyd	        59	19	32.20%
Thomas Morstead 	96	27	28.13%
Josh Scobee       	59	16	27.12%
S. Gostkowski     	79	19	24.05%
Neil Rackers       	63	14	22.22%
Josh Brown	        46	7	15.22%
Kris Brown	        70	10	14.29%
Robbie Gould       	59	8	13.56%
Mason Crosby     	80	10	12.50%
David Akers	        86	10	11.63%
Jay Feely	        69	8	11.59%
Nate Kaeding      	84	9	10.71%

 

[Disturbed]

Now if he could only kick field goals (you know like all the other kickers in the league).... Beuhler should be recognized for his contributions on special teams, and his kick offs. But C'mon Man...kick field goals.

Wade has a kicker on the team that doesn't practice field goals...now that is just stupid.

 

[theogt]

Now if he could only kick field goals (you know like all the other kickers in the league).... Beuhler should be recognized for his contributions on special teams, and his kick offs. But C'mon Man...kick field goals.

Wade has a kicker on the team that doesn't practice field goals...now that is just stupid.

None of the kickers in the top 10 kicked anywhere near 23 touchbacks in their rookie seasons. For most of them it took several years to build up to that, and some have never kicked that many and never will. Almost all of them started out kicking only a few touchbacks and gradually increased their number of touchbacks as they gained more experience. Thus it makes sense to think that Buehler will increase his numbers over the years as well.

In other words, there are no kickers like Buehler. He's an oddity. And that's why it's not stupid, just abnormal.

Buehler improved our average opponent starting position by about 6 yards per kickoff. Given 90 kickoffs per year, that's an additional 500-600 yards per season. You can't get that kind of production out of your 4th receiver or your 3rd running back, yet no one has a problem keeping them on the roster.

 

[Silverstar]

As much as I like stats, I can't say I really keep up with this one.

I just remember it (27) being mentioned during the game Saturday.

If Folk hadn't missed so many damn FG's, Buehler might be leading right now or at least tied with Morstead.

 

[joseephuss]

None of the kickers in the top 10 kicked anywhere near 23 touchbacks in their rookie seasons. For most of them it took several years to build up to that, and some have never kicked that many and never will. Almost all of them started out kicking only a few touchbacks and gradually increased their number of touchbacks as they gained more experience. Thus it makes sense to think that Buehler will increase his numbers over the years as well.

In other words, there are no kickers like Buehler. He's an oddity. And that's why it's not stupid, just abnormal.

Buehler improved our average opponent starting position by about 6 yards per kickoff. Given 90 kickoffs per year, that's an additional 500-600 yards per season. You can't get that kind of production out of your 4th receiver or your 3rd running back, yet no one has a problem keeping them on the roster.

Really? Tashard Choice had 657 yards from scrimmage last year and has 480 yards from scrimmage so far this season.

Buehler was a good pick because Dallas did it without sacrificing their third running back.

 

[CowboyMort]

Just an FYI. Suisham had 52 kickoffs and 5 touchbacks this year with the Commanders.

 

[zeroburrito]

better be leading the league when we have given up a roster spot just for them.

 

[joseephuss]

better be leading the league when we have given up a roster spot just for them.

The whole point in drafting him was because they knew he had the potential to be amongst the league leaders in touchbacks. They knew he wasn't going to be in the middle of the pack and just be average on his kick offs. He is proving that they were right. Looks like a good move.

 

[TD-33]

As horrible as ST were for Dallas last year, to be considered a strength this year is a great accomplishment.

Now if only they can get Felix catching punts....

 

[DallasEast]

better be leading the league when we have given up a roster spot just for them.

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[theogt]

Really? Tashard Choice had 657 yards from scrimmage last year and has 480 yards from scrimmage so far this season.

Buehler was a good pick because Dallas did it without sacrificing their third running back.

Tashard Choice is an odd case, I think. For one, last year when he put up that kind of production he wasn't our 3rd back. He was a starter for the last quarter of our season due to our top two backs being out. To the extent you lose your top two running backs, yes you'll get that kind of production out of your 3rd back. And after that he proved he was so good he demanded playing time. But even the time he demanded only matches the production we get out of Buehler, which only shows the absurdity of not wanting to have Buehler on the team.

 

[DFWJC]

Nope, just kickoffs.

But good point about the number of punts. Here's the ranking of the top 15 kickoff kickers (by number of TBs) arranged in terms of TB%:

Olindo Mare            62    22    35.48%
David Buehler          68    23    33.82%
S. Janikowski          51    17    33.33%
Matt Prater            67    22    32.84%
Rhys Lloyd            59    19    32.20%
Thomas Morstead     96    27    28.13%
Josh Scobee           59    16    27.12%
S. Gostkowski         79    19    24.05%
Neil Rackers           63    14    22.22%
Josh Brown            46    7    15.22%
Kris Brown            70    10    14.29%
Robbie Gould           59    8    13.56%
Mason Crosby         80    10    12.50%
David Akers            86    10    11.63%
Jay Feely            69    8    11.59%
Nate Kaeding          84    9    10.71%

That really shows how valuable some of those guys are that have both accurate and strong legs. That extra roster spot used is terrible, but at least for now, I think it has really helped us.

 

[theogt]

That really shows how valuable some of those guys are that have both accurate and strong legs. That extra roster spot used is terrible, but at least for now, I think it has really helped us.

That's true, but there aren't too many of them that can do it consistently. Guys like Gostkowski (drafted in the 4th round) are extremely rare.

Olindo Mare is having an absurdly good year, but that's following being fired from two different teams in two of the last three years, so it's not like he puts up this kind of performance often.

Even guys like Neil Rackers, who is considered one of the best, have had their careers littered with terrible seasons.