What's the Vision for the Cowboys in 2025?

plasticman said:
Cowboys 29-34 when Dak throws 33 or more passes.

............47-11 when Dak throw 32 or less passes.

The key is a dominant running attack.

Dak is a very good quarterback in a balanced offense. He is not the strong arm, pinpoint accuracy elite passer that strikes fear into a defenses late in the 4th quarter. He is an efficient field general getting the ball into the hands of the playmakers,
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Those stats are similar for all good QB's.

Seriously doubt their has ever been a QB is 47-11 throwing 40+ passes.
 
Pass2Run said:
I mean, not what you want. Use your theory of mind. What is their vision?

Every year teams start with a vision of how they want to be and every year they make adjustments attempting to account for their vision of their team.

I think they envision having a line that can dominate so much in the run game, it almost doesn't matter who the back is. That said, that's just a way to cover their arses if injuries at RB happen. I also think they see Jaydon Blue as an NFL ready back, who can contribute this year. If he does anything, work on those fumbles.

Pickens will stretch the field and make teams pay for doubling Lamb. Our TEs will be more involved in the running game this year as I expect quite a few 12 sets from Shottenheimer. That, along with the additional threat or Pickens also opens more opportunities for TE passing production. This will be a better year for our TEs.

Overall, I think the Cowboys think they'll have an electric offense for the 2025 season, and I like their optimism even if they are gambling in some areas. Those are good bets, and may lay off.

I think they expect this to be a good year for special teams and consistent with the previous few years.

As far as defense, I think they believe Eberflus can take an underachieving defense from last year and make them competitive this year. To be honest, I think they may be right.

Eberflus emphasizes takeaways and pressure, and he's done it with lessor players, I'd say, in Indianapolis.

If guys like Revel and Overshown can play by week 8 or 9, I think they think this team has a fighting chance down the stretch using Eberflus' rather vanilla scheme. They may be right. But I think the Cowboys also envision Odhigizuwa having a larger role in this new scheme, which is based on pressures probably moreso than sacks. Given the strategy, mostly zone coverages with a 4-5 man rush, they probably think they'll have a shot at being a team ranked in the top 5 in takeaways if this group can generate pressure.

Im not sure what what they're envisioning at safety, but hopefully they work that out.
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The vision for any Cowboys team under Jerry is always a mixture of football and marketing starting with collecting stars that you can sell and stay relevant and interesting for ratings. That’s not a healthy way to build a championship roster because it’s more like fantasy football than real football.

With Will McClay on board, JJ has been able to collect some good talent (mostly through the draft), the last 10 years with an emphasis (especially under Garrett and apparently Schottenheimer too) on running the ball on offense and getting defensive pressure on the QB when you have a lead. But…If you don’t have a lead, the inability to stop the opponents’ run game has been a huge problem in the playoffs.

This is not a bad vision on paper. But it’s much harder to make happen on the field.

Building a team that can impose its will on opponents is very hard to do in a league where the gap in talent between the best and worst teams is very small.

One of the inherent problems with your owner also being the GM and hiring his children as his key executives is the lack of accountability at top of the organization where all visionary decisions are made.

The only people whose jobs are on the line for a failed vision are the mid-level people like the players and coaches. Because there is no accountability at the top, there really is no accountability anywhere in this organization. With no one at the top being held accountable for failure, the whole “family” leadership team is essentially playing fantasy football. It’s what we’ve seen for three decades.

Bottom line vision: Sell tickets, be relevant, and win a SB in that order.
 
Pass2Run said:
All I'm saying is nowadays if you can't pass, you probably aren't running a whole lot.

Balance is the key.
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If balance is the goal of keeping Dak under 32 attempts and paying him 60 million and his WR1 30 plus then I can see that.

For some strange reason I can't see this fantasy football owner playing GM thinking that way on his investments while also after having given up a 3rd for a WR2.

Now, should they go back to Linehan's 2016 downhill running offense with timely play action?
Absolutely.

Will they?
Their offseason prior to the Pickens trade seemed to want us to think that way.
But now again, post trade, Jerry's money and roster construction says otherwise.

Follow the money.
 
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I hope the vision is to not embarrass us.
Secondary goal should be competing for an NCFE in the last month of the season.
Do those 2 things then the post-season access will take care of itself.
 
Pass2Run said:
I mean, not what you want. Use your theory of mind. What is their vision?

Every year teams start with a vision of how they want to be and every year they make adjustments attempting to account for their vision of their team.

I think they envision having a line that can dominate so much in the run game, it almost doesn't matter who the back is. That said, that's just a way to cover their arses if injuries at RB happen. I also think they see Jaydon Blue as an NFL ready back, who can contribute this year. If he does anything, work on those fumbles.

Pickens will stretch the field and make teams pay for doubling Lamb. Our TEs will be more involved in the running game this year as I expect quite a few 12 sets from Shottenheimer. That, along with the additional threat or Pickens also opens more opportunities for TE passing production. This will be a better year for our TEs.

Overall, I think the Cowboys think they'll have an electric offense for the 2025 season, and I like their optimism even if they are gambling in some areas. Those are good bets, and may lay off.

I think they expect this to be a good year for special teams and consistent with the previous few years.

As far as defense, I think they believe Eberflus can take an underachieving defense from last year and make them competitive this year. To be honest, I think they may be right.

Eberflus emphasizes takeaways and pressure, and he's done it with lessor players, I'd say, in Indianapolis.

If guys like Revel and Overshown can play by week 8 or 9, I think they think this team has a fighting chance down the stretch using Eberflus' rather vanilla scheme. They may be right. But I think the Cowboys also envision Odhigizuwa having a larger role in this new scheme, which is based on pressures probably moreso than sacks. Given the strategy, mostly zone coverages with a 4-5 man rush, they probably think they'll have a shot at being a team ranked in the top 5 in takeaways if this group can generate pressure.

Im not sure what what they're envisioning at safety, but hopefully they work that out.
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I think you're getting bad reports you might be talking about Trayvon Diggs Butler and overshone but for a while I got reports revel will start game one unless there's a setback...

I don't want to hear about how they need more than a year it takes two years to come back not every player like that I've seen players step right back in we've seen Overshown do it and don't say he got reinjured because it wasn't the same leg and it wasn't the same injury, he got rolled up on on the opposite leg...

It's an unfortunate accident some of these guys getting reinjured they didn't come back too soon and they didn't look bad doing it including Trayvon Diggs now I don't know when they're all coming back but I heard some of them are way ahead of schedule..

But as far as revel goes, I heard that he'll be just fine that they'll get him worked in the actual some preseason games but hey we're all hearing things, so we'll see..

off of google, Shavon Revel, Jr. is likely to be ready to play by the start of training camp in late July, if not shortly after. His injury and recovery took place in September, giving him a substantial timeframe to recover and potentially make an impact early in the season. The Dallas Cowboys drafted him in the third round of the 2025 NFL Draft.


The question marks are going to be,

Diggs
Overshown
Butler
 
Pass2Run said:
I mean, not what you want. Use your theory of mind. What is their vision?

Every year teams start with a vision of how they want to be and every year they make adjustments attempting to account for their vision of their team.

I think they envision having a line that can dominate so much in the run game, it almost doesn't matter who the back is. That said, that's just a way to cover their arses if injuries at RB happen. I also think they see Jaydon Blue as an NFL ready back, who can contribute this year. If he does anything, work on those fumbles.

Pickens will stretch the field and make teams pay for doubling Lamb. Our TEs will be more involved in the running game this year as I expect quite a few 12 sets from Shottenheimer. That, along with the additional threat or Pickens also opens more opportunities for TE passing production. This will be a better year for our TEs.

Overall, I think the Cowboys think they'll have an electric offense for the 2025 season, and I like their optimism even if they are gambling in some areas. Those are good bets, and may lay off.

I think they expect this to be a good year for special teams and consistent with the previous few years.

As far as defense, I think they believe Eberflus can take an underachieving defense from last year and make them competitive this year. To be honest, I think they may be right.

Eberflus emphasizes takeaways and pressure, and he's done it with lessor players, I'd say, in Indianapolis.

If guys like Revel and Overshown can play by week 8 or 9, I think they think this team has a fighting chance down the stretch using Eberflus' rather vanilla scheme. They may be right. But I think the Cowboys also envision Odhigizuwa having a larger role in this new scheme, which is based on pressures probably moreso than sacks. Given the strategy, mostly zone coverages with a 4-5 man rush, they probably think they'll have a shot at being a team ranked in the top 5 in takeaways if this group can generate pressure.

Im not sure what what they're envisioning at safety, but hopefully they work that out.
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Here's my philosophy,

I have zero expectations or visions,

I literally will watch game to game and hope for success this year ,meaning it may take 17 games for this to shake out and that is what sports are it's about the whole season, not part of it..​

Will not be one of those to overreact if we say we go 2 and 2 in the first four games or we look bad in one area or another early..

I remember this team in 2018 starting out 3 and 5 and making it to the second round of the playoffs.. it's never over and it's never uncorrectable because of the 17-game season there's always a shot, because of parity in this league, there's always a shot.. Especially with the addition of a second wild card you never know..

So I prefer to look at football as a year to year and a week-to-week league,

meaning everything changes from year to year there is no expectations...

I don't care about the rankings from the year before they do power rankings and what they believe somebody's going to do in the next year but there's so much change over it doesn't matter and for week to week other teams are going to meet may be injured they might be missing players just like we are missing most of our team last year...​
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it happened every week we are losing players ,but other teams could go through this, so I prefer not to have any expectations whatsoever....​


I just hope to be happily surprised, and that we do well this year I just can't see us winning less than eight games if we won seven games last year and they over under is 7.5 which I think is ridiculous because they're going by last year we've never won less than nine games with Prescott starting and finished the season healthy that alone should get us to 9-10 games..

In my opinion we have the core to win double digits if healthy we have to have some luck last year was just attrition too many injuries at key positions so this should be a bounce back gear look at 2020 and look at 2021 and I believe we're going to have the same type of jump because it's a very familiar looking year in twenty twenty as it was in twenty twenty four..

The Cowboys were Able to come back and win 12 games and they said they didn't think Prescott would ever be the same and he had one of his best seasons, so I believe we're in a similar situation and that we'll get close to that type of improvement..
 
75boyz said:
If balance is the goal of keeping Dak under 32 attempts and paying him 60 million and his WR1 30 plus then I can see that.

For some strange reason I can't see this fantasy football owner playing GM thinking that way on his investments while also after having given up a 3rd for a WR2.

Now, should they go back to Linehan's 2016 downhill running offense with timely play action?
Absolutely.

Will they?
Their offseason prior to the Pickens trade seemed to want us to think that way.
But now again, post trade, Jerry's money and roster construction says otherwise.

Follow the money.
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A 3rd for a 1b is super value, though
 
Chasing6 said:
Those stats are similar for all good QB's.

Seriously doubt their has ever been a QB is 47-11 throwing 40+ passes.
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Tom Brady: 69-41

Other than that, we would be hard pressed to find any other QB with a winning record while throwing 40 or more passes.
 
shabazz said:
The problem with that type of thinking is that last season the Eagles, Packers and other teams already had better offensive lines than we had and still aquired Saquon and Josh Jacobs.

That's what going all in really means to GMs.

The Pickens move is the type of move I've been wanting but if you only aquire a player of that magnitude by FA or trade every 7 years it's not doing enough.....Amari Cooper was the last move like that and that was 2018.
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Truly, i am shocked that there aren't more trades in the NFL in general. It would seem to me that a proactive front office would make the determination to keep a player before their contract season.

If they decided not to keep him then they would trade him at market value. That way, they could still get value even if they signed a free agent the following season that normally would have eliminated a compensation pick for the player.

The only skepticism associated with the Pickens trade is Jerry's history of trading for WRs. However, considering the price for former trades of this nature, I would say a 3rd round pick is worth the risk.

25 years ago, Jerry might have offered two top picks with at least one being a 1st rounder.
 
AstroPilota said:
I mostly agree with everything in the opening post, but I think it's going to be tough sledding the last half of the season with a brutal schedule lined up. Perhaps, fortunately, the NFC East and AFC West will be beating up on each other, so the other squads are in the same boat.

I am going to have to see Dak play before I believe he has fully recovered from that hamstring injury - hamstrings and calf injuries tend to linger on and on, and you might feel just fine until it pops again.

We can only trust that the scouting and coaching departments know what they are doing with the RB situation - I'm somewhat skeptical at this point but maybe they really think they improved the line enough to make the guys they have be enough. I'm of the opinion that a committee approach is not a solution - someone needs to step up and take full command of that position. Not confident right now that guy is on the team.

So yeah, I think the "vision" is to become a more physical team compared to previous years. I think they are pointed in the right direction, but due to all the guys recovering from injuries and a tough schedule, I'm not optimistic we will see the needle move much this season. I hope they prove me wrong though. :)
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Everything depends on Dak being healthy enough to play. I doubt he'll start out 100%, but hope he'll be able to move around OK.

I don't think the RB room is complete, but could be wrong. They'll see what they have in camp & add somebody if need be.

My biggest concern on defense right now is our DB's, not the DT's. Hopefully Eberflus will do his usual magic with the LB's & figure out how to stop our opponent's passing game.
 
Techsass said:
Everything depends on Dak being healthy enough to play. I doubt he'll start out 100%, but hope he'll be able to move around OK.

I don't think the RB room is complete, but could be wrong. They'll see what they have in camp & add somebody if need be.

My biggest concern on defense right now is our DB's, not the DT's. Hopefully Eberflus will do his usual magic with the LB's & figure out how to stop our opponent's passing game.
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Keep in mind, they thought our RB room, was complete last season.
 
Pass2Run said:
A 3rd for a 1b is super value, though
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Especially, if Dak is prepared and has success in using him early. That'll change the whole Defensive scheme.
My vision is to move this Offense out of the 'comfort zone'......cant play a conservative game, with so much of the CAP spent on it (especially once the LG and WR2 contracts are extended moving forward).
 
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