What's the Vision for the Cowboys in 2025?

[acr731]

Post #61 and not even a single post in this thread has come close to Jerry's true vision.

Come on, peeps, Jerry has said this many times over the years and it doesn't change from year to year - the goal (vision) is to be 'relevant' and 'interesting'.

Maintain those standards and the team stays in the news, and Jerry is happy. That's all he desires.

 

[big dog cowboy]

40 or more passes: 9-17

45 or more passes: 4-11

50 or more passes: 2-5

Analysis: Not a good idea

Honestly, while terrible, that is better than I expected. Dak with 40 or more passes seems in a game always seems to end up with the Cowboys losing.

 

[deerhunter11]

I mean, not what you want. Use your theory of mind. What is their vision?

Every year teams start with a vision of how they want to be and every year they make adjustments attempting to account for their vision of their team.

I think they envision having a line that can dominate so much in the run game, it almost doesn't matter who the back is. That said, that's just a way to cover their arses if injuries at RB happen. I also think they see Jaydon Blue as an NFL ready back, who can contribute this year. If he does anything, work on those fumbles.

Pickens will stretch the field and make teams pay for doubling Lamb. Our TEs will be more involved in the running game this year as I expect quite a few 12 sets from Shottenheimer. That, along with the additional threat or Pickens also opens more opportunities for TE passing production. This will be a better year for our TEs.

Overall, I think the Cowboys think they'll have an electric offense for the 2025 season, and I like their optimism even if they are gambling in some areas. Those are good bets, and may lay off.

I think they expect this to be a good year for special teams and consistent with the previous few years.

As far as defense, I think they believe Eberflus can take an underachieving defense from last year and make them competitive this year. To be honest, I think they may be right.

Eberflus emphasizes takeaways and pressure, and he's done it with lessor players, I'd say, in Indianapolis.

If guys like Revel and Overshown can play by week 8 or 9, I think they think this team has a fighting chance down the stretch using Eberflus' rather vanilla scheme. They may be right. But I think the Cowboys also envision Odhigizuwa having a larger role in this new scheme, which is based on pressures probably moreso than sacks. Given the strategy, mostly zone coverages with a 4-5 man rush, they probably think they'll have a shot at being a team ranked in the top 5 in takeaways if this group can generate pressure.

Im not sure what what they're envisioning at safety, but hopefully they work that out.

Good post,you nailed it Dallas will be an attacking football team on both sides of the ball.I look for big things from this team,with the moves they have made on the offensive side of the ball ,if this team stays relatively healthy.I don't see a reason why they can't be an explosive offense .With this Oline and these under rated backs Blue and Mafah and Luepke who is still here and very capable .Then look at receiver ,Cee Dee Lamb should be a hand full with Pickens on the other side and Turpin being there as well for teams to worry about.On defense they may have found their Nose tackle with Jay Toia who looks country strong at the line of scrimmage in the run game and actually collapses the pocket ruining plays before they start.Help for Parsons has been added with pass rushers Donovan Ezeiruaku and Donta Fowler .Shavon Revel will team up with Daron Bland and make a strong tandem in the secondary until Trevon Diggs returns.2 young safeties on the roster ,Juanyeh Thomas and Marquese Bell are young and ready to emerge in a big way as well.This team if they stay relatively healthy should win 11 to 12 games and have a deep playoff run this season.

 

[deerhunter11]

If our defense is solid mid and we have a consistent running game we'll be a good team. Cannot rely on defensive scores or Dak to win games.

Stopping the run and running the football consistently are big keys to the season ,if these 2 things improve with this team ,this will be a tough team on other teams schedules.

 

[75boyz]

Its almost as if the fan vision of onfield success and Owner/GM vision of relevance, as acr731 so aptly described in post #61, seem to co-exist on this strange one and done ceiling of expectation and perceived improvement for this year.

When in reality all that accomplishes is just a return to the same ol' same ol'.
Just good enough to make the dance.
Never legit enough to win it all.

And accomplishing even a one and done this year is a stretch for my expectation level.

Cowboys!

 

[Typhus]

I mean, not what you want. Use your theory of mind. What is their vision?

Every year teams start with a vision of how they want to be and every year they make adjustments attempting to account for their vision of their team.

I think they envision having a line that can dominate so much in the run game, it almost doesn't matter who the back is. That said, that's just a way to cover their arses if injuries at RB happen. I also think they see Jaydon Blue as an NFL ready back, who can contribute this year. If he does anything, work on those fumbles.

Pickens will stretch the field and make teams pay for doubling Lamb. Our TEs will be more involved in the running game this year as I expect quite a few 12 sets from Shottenheimer. That, along with the additional threat or Pickens also opens more opportunities for TE passing production. This will be a better year for our TEs.

Overall, I think the Cowboys think they'll have an electric offense for the 2025 season, and I like their optimism even if they are gambling in some areas. Those are good bets, and may lay off.

I think they expect this to be a good year for special teams and consistent with the previous few years.

As far as defense, I think they believe Eberflus can take an underachieving defense from last year and make them competitive this year. To be honest, I think they may be right.

Eberflus emphasizes takeaways and pressure, and he's done it with lessor players, I'd say, in Indianapolis.

If guys like Revel and Overshown can play by week 8 or 9, I think they think this team has a fighting chance down the stretch using Eberflus' rather vanilla scheme. They may be right. But I think the Cowboys also envision Odhigizuwa having a larger role in this new scheme, which is based on pressures probably moreso than sacks. Given the strategy, mostly zone coverages with a 4-5 man rush, they probably think they'll have a shot at being a team ranked in the top 5 in takeaways if this group can generate pressure.

Im not sure what what they're envisioning at safety, but hopefully they work that out.

Keeping it short and simple.

Improved DL play vs run.

Improved running game.

Improved passing game.

If we get all of that than the playoffs are easily obtainable.

 

[deerhunter11]

I sure hope they’re able to follow through with their seeming commitment to establishing a new culture with a physical offensive and defensive lines. It pays dividends to the skill players on both sides. Not only that, it demoralizes the other team. Hard to do because it takes commitment from all 53.

Building the trenches is the winning strategy to compete with Philadelphia and Washington in the division ,and to be able to compete in the playoffs .I like what you said ,It pays dividends to the skill players on both sides.Very ,very true and this team is coming back to prominence .

 

[plasticman]

Marino was 98-73 when throwing 30 or more passes.

Well, yeah, but.......

That's only because he was 77-34 when throwing between 30 to 39 passes.

However, yes, he had a winning record when throwing 40 or more passes.

He was 31-29.

Therefore, if your quarterback was considered the most prolific pure passer in the history of the game, you basically had a 50-50 chance of winning if he threw 40 or more passes.

Andrew Luck was 13-23 when with 40 or more attempts.

However, we have another winner in Payton Manning who was 43-40 with 40 or more attempts and if Marino isn't the best pure passer in history then it was this guy.

All these stats suggest that passing 40 or more times in a game has bever been a viable strategy. The vast majority of times, it was in desperation due to being behind in the game.

 

[deerhunter11]

They have said it all off season physicality!

Yeah you can't beat teams in this league without playing physical football on both sides of the lines of scrimmage.Look what San Francisco was able to do to Dallas when they met in the playoffs ,they beat Dallas at the lines of scrimmage in those games.

 

[morat1959]

Mediocrity…this organization relishes it. From the top of the organization down to a lot in the fan base. Wash, rinse repeat but above all else, sell the hype to keep the bankroll coming in.

 

[deerhunter11]

Will the vision (pipe dream ?) ... be the dream of Dan Campbell and the Lions of the last 3 years ..?

It is a copycat league ,and this would be a good team to mimic and Dallas has the personnel to run it.

 

[Bobhaze]

Post #61 and not even a single post in this thread has come close to Jerry's true vision.

Come on, peeps, Jerry has said this many times over the years and it doesn't change from year to year - the goal (vision) is to be 'relevant' and 'interesting'.

Maintain those standards and the team stays in the news, and Jerry is happy. That's all he desires.

P. 3 of this thread, first paragraph: “The vision for any Cowboys team under Jerry is always a mixture of football and marketing starting with collecting stars that you can sell and stay relevant and interesting for ratings. That’s not a healthy way to build a championship roster because it’s more like fantasy football than real football.”

 

[Chasing6]

Both Dak and Romo's best statistical seasons, 2014 and 2016 respectively, coincided with the Cowboys RB leading the league in rushing yardage.

They have a history of drafting the type of O-linemen compatible with a successful running game, big, strong body movers.

Often, their weakest area was the resolve of the OC to commit to the running game despite the initial productivity. Abandoning the run was practically an invitation for opponents front seven to ignore the possibility of a run play. They simply pinned their ears back and raced to Dak and Romo.

As an OC, Jason Garrett would freak out if a running play yielded nothing or worse. You wouldn't see another running play for a very long time. Kellen Moore had the same issue sometimes. i'm talking 1st quarter, behind by a single score, every situation.

During the first six games of the 2010 season, Jason had the RB carry the ball on both 1st and 2nd down only twice. Ironically, they both made 1st downs.

Pretty much the same with most QB's when they win.

 

[Chasing6]

Well, yeah, but.......

That's only because he was 77-34 when throwing between 30 to 39 passes.

However, yes, he had a winning record when throwing 40 or more passes.

He was 31-29.

Therefore, if your quarterback was considered the most prolific pure passer in the history of the game, you basically had a 50-50 chance of winning if he threw 40 or more passes.

Andrew Luck was 13-23 when with 40 or more attempts.

However, we have another winner in Payton Manning who was 43-40 with 40 or more attempts and if Marino isn't the best pure passer in history then it was this guy.

All these stats suggest that passing 40 or more times in a game has bever been a viable strategy. The vast majority of times, it was in desperation due to being behind in the game.

That math does not add up.

 

[deerhunter11]

The vision for any Cowboys team under Jerry is always a mixture of football and marketing starting with collecting stars that you can sell and stay relevant and interesting for ratings. That’s not a healthy way to build a championship roster because it’s more like fantasy football than real football.

With Will McClay on board, JJ has been able to collect some good talent (mostly through the draft), the last 10 years with an emphasis (especially under Garrett and apparently Schottenheimer too) on running the ball on offense and getting defensive pressure on the QB when you have a lead. But…If you don’t have a lead, the inability to stop the opponents’ run game has been a huge problem in the playoffs.

This is not a bad vision on paper. But it’s much harder to make happen on the field.

Building a team that can impose its will on opponents is very hard to do in a league where the gap in talent between the best and worst teams is very small.

One of the inherent problems with your owner also being the GM and hiring his children as his key executives is the lack of accountability at top of the organization where all visionary decisions are made.

The only people whose jobs are on the line for a failed vision are the mid-level people like the players and coaches. Because there is no accountability at the top, there really is no accountability anywhere in this organization. With no one at the top being held accountable for failure, the whole “family” leadership team is essentially playing fantasy football. It’s what we’ve seen for three decades.

Bottom line vision: Sell tickets, be relevant, and win a SB in that order.

That is absolutely spot on , all we can hope for is power of decision making is allowed to be made by smart football people and Jerry taking a back seat .It appears to have gotten better with the looks of this off season ,this ol horse has been beat a lot.I hope when Stephen gets in charge he hires a GM and lets all football matters be made by the GM ,Scouts and Coaching staff.Getting contracts done seem to be one of Jerrys shortcomings ,I just don't understand the waiting so it is more expensive to sign players.

 

[deerhunter11]

Truly, i am shocked that there aren't more trades in the NFL in general. It would seem to me that a proactive front office would make the determination to keep a player before their contract season.

If they decided not to keep him then they would trade him at market value. That way, they could still get value even if they signed a free agent the following season that normally would have eliminated a compensation pick for the player.

The only skepticism associated with the Pickens trade is Jerry's history of trading for WRs. However, considering the price for former trades of this nature, I would say a 3rd round pick is worth the risk.

25 years ago, Jerry might have offered two top picks with at least one being a 1st rounder.

Looks like somebody else may be making decisions ,could Jerry be backing off and letting Will McClay run the show.Everything looks way better than normal except the Parsons contract dragging out ,that is a Jerry specialty.

 

[Rockport]

The entire world knows that the Jones are an impediment to building championship teams. We’re beat over the head with it here every thread. It seems like most here would rather focus on that negative, than look at what’s ahead.

 

[deerhunter11]

The entire world knows that the Jones are an impediment to building championship teams. We’re beat over the head with it here every thread. It seems like most here would rather focus on that negative, than look at what’s ahead.

Right someone with the know how to make good decisions seems to be making them this off season and I like the change.

 

[Chasing6]

The entire world knows that the Jones are an impediment to building championship teams. We’re beat over the head with it here every thread. It seems like most here would rather focus on that negative, than look at what’s ahead.

You mean living in reality vs fantasy land.

 

[Pass2Run]

Honestly, while terrible, that is better than I expected. Dak with 40 or more passes seems in a game always seems to end up with the Cowboys losing.

When you're passing that much, you're usually playing from behind. So it's easily misinterpreted as Dak sucks.


Not saying you. But people use this stat without giving the context.