When is enough, enough

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I have been a Cowboys fans for over 25 years. I grew up watching Randy White, Danny White, Too Tall, Everson Walls, Eugene Lockhart, etc. I hate to quantify my Cowboy fandom but I’ve learned over the years reading message boards some fans equate a post count to actual football knowledge.

Which is completely stupid.

So they’ll look at my 15 or whatever posts and conclude that I’m just some “noob” who doesn’t know football.

Meanwhile guys with 30,000 plus posts are seen as having elite football minds with incredible insight into the team. When truth be told they really aren’t any more knowledgeable than the rest of us. They just happen to have more free time on their hand. We know who those guys are. No need to name names.

But this isn’t about that.

This is about wondering how long do we have to sit through the status quo with Jerry and company before we see some tangible changes made in the franchise.

Aside from a couple of seasons it’s the same song every year. We get to December in great shape only to come crashing down to earth over the final month.

IMO, coaches and players need to be purged. The defensive coaching staff needs to be overhauled. If Rob Ryan doesn’t want them, get rid of them. Guys like Campo and Houck should be gone no matter what.

Their units consistently under-perform year after year.

As for the players I think we all have a clear understanding of which players need to be replaced. No need to beat that dead horse.

And does Jerry ever get to a point where he looks at himself in the mirror and says “I’m not cutting the mustard. I’m one of the anchors holding this franchise in a state of mediocrity.” I often wonder what will it take for him to finally point the finger at himself and realize that he’s part of the problem.

Jerry GMing this team is akin to me winning the $500 million dollar Power Ball lottery, buying the majority stake in AT&T then trying to make the day to day decisions on the direction of the company. It wouldn’t work because even though I had the funds to buy into the company, I’m not qualified to make critical day to day decisions that will lead to continued prosperity.

And that’s the problem in Dallas. We have a billionaire owner who is not qualified for his position. I’m willing to bet anyone any amount that if Jerry Jones were a GM on the open market not a single team would call him to offer him a job. Not one.

And that’s saying something.

Do you guys realize we could very easily have been swept in the NFC East. If not for a couple of miracle comebacks against the equally inept Commanders we’re 0-6 in the division.

I’m writing all this out of frustration because I don’t see that light at the end of the tunnel. It’s sickening.

I don’t have much hope for next year because I don’t trust the current group to make the right personnel decisions to get this thing moving back in the right direction.

Drafts and free agent acquisitions have for the most part been unspectacular and underwhelming.

Jerry has repeatedly stated that he’s not stepping down anytime soon.

Garrett is stubborn and is green as an OC and HC. Every week he makes a call in a critical situation that leaves you scratching your head.

So the question remains worth asking. When is enough, enough?
 
So the question remains worth asking. When is enough, enough?

Apparently when they pry the team away from Jerry's cold dead fingers.
 
Cowboy_Shawn;4354921 said:
I have been a Cowboys fans for over 25 years. I grew up watching Randy White, Danny White, Too Tall, Everson Walls, Eugene Lockhart, etc. I hate to quantify my Cowboy fandom but I’ve learned over the years reading message boards some fans equate a post count to actual football knowledge.

Which is completely stupid.

So they’ll look at my 15 or whatever posts and conclude that I’m just some “noob” who doesn’t know football.

Meanwhile guys with 30,000 plus posts are seen as having elite football minds with incredible insight into the team. When truth be told they really aren’t any more knowledgeable than the rest of us. They just happen to have more free time on their hand. We know who those guys are. No need to name names.

But this isn’t about that.

This is about wondering how long do we have to sit through the status quo with Jerry and company before we see some tangible changes made in the franchise.

Aside from a couple of seasons it’s the same song every year. We get to December in great shape only to come crashing down to earth over the final month.

IMO, coaches and players need to be purged. The defensive coaching staff needs to be overhauled. If Rob Ryan doesn’t want them, get rid of them. Guys like Campo and Houck should be gone no matter what.

Their units consistently under-perform year after year.

As for the players I think we all have a clear understanding of which players need to be replaced. No need to beat that dead horse.

And does Jerry ever get to a point where he looks at himself in the mirror and says “I’m not cutting the mustard. I’m one of the anchors holding this franchise in a state of mediocrity.” I often wonder what will it take for him to finally point the finger at himself and realize that he’s part of the problem.

Jerry GMing this team is akin to me winning the $500 million dollar Power Ball lottery, buying the majority stake in AT&T then trying to make the day to day decisions on the direction of the company. It wouldn’t work because even though I had the funds to buy into the company, I’m not qualified to make critical day to day decisions that will lead to continued prosperity.

And that’s the problem in Dallas. We have a billionaire owner who is not qualified for his position. I’m willing to bet anyone any amount that if Jerry Jones were a GM on the open market not a single team would call him to offer him a job. Not one.

And that’s saying something.

Do you guys realize we could very easily have been swept in the NFC East. If not for a couple of miracle comebacks against the equally inept Commanders we’re 0-6 in the division.

I’m writing all this out of frustration because I don’t see that light at the end of the tunnel. It’s sickening.

I don’t have much hope for next year because I don’t trust the current group to make the right personnel decisions to get this thing moving back in the right direction.

Drafts and free agent acquisitions have for the most part been unspectacular and underwhelming.

Jerry has repeatedly stated that he’s not stepping down anytime soon.

Garrett is stubborn and is green as an OC and HC. Every week he makes a call in a critical situation that leaves you scratching your head.

So the question remains worth asking. When is enough, enough?

I guess that is a question only each individual can answer for him or herself.

I'm a Cowboys fan, good times and bad times so I'm here to stay.

As a fan we don't get a vote or a say so you can either pull for them or not.
 
Cowboy_Shawn;4354970 said:
:p:

I stopped "believing" after that 1st Giants game.

For me it was when we iced our own kicker.


I knew right then we were going nowhere and adjusted my expectations accordingly.
 
Ive been a fan close to 40 yrs.....

It is what it is....Jerry isnt goin anywhere...

Odds are...every year is going to end in disappointment.....

I get worked up as any about the Cowboys......its frustrating...

I think I enjoyed the Quincy Carter years more......there wasnt any expectation back then......and thats bad...

We all have opinions....we all think we have the answers....in the end...we dont have a say...

Just dont take in personal here.....we have debates..etc....its just a forum



The NFL for me has become a worse game....Im up here in Canada and if all I wanted to see was big passing yardage....I would be a CFL fan.

Too many rules .....too many favor the offense...too many bad calls by refs...and we all know way too much money is bet on the NFL...which raises questions about games being fixed...

I guess Ive become numb......Been a leaf fan close to 40 yrs too....and Im still waiting to see them raise the cup...was too young to remember the last one :(


Just enjoy....one day...Jerry wont be here to blame....and we can then find someone else to blame.......because like I said....odds are...every year will be a disappointment.

JMHO
 
I think people are starting to see exactly what you're saying, and if they're not, I'm pretty sure questions, and perhaps even doubt, are starting to enter their thoughts, even if those questions and doubts are only just starting to germinate.

All I can say is I HOPE Garrett is the right guy, and I HOPE Jerry has given him the resources and latitude to make the difficult and drastic changes necessary to produce a winner.

We'll see...
 
i also don't post much but enjoy reading everyone's comments. I agree that Jerry the GM really needs to step down and get a "real" football guy but I don't see this happening. I also think that he is only part of the problem. We still have to draft better and do a good job in free agency. Play calling? Will JG really give this up and be a "just " a head coach? This is another piece of what is wrong but not the whole thing. We need to do some purging of old, non performing players and coaches as well. There are a lot of "pieces" that need to be addressed before this team can be what we all expect and want. As much as I would like to see this all being done in one off season, I just can't see it. Mainly because I really don't think the organization necessarily sees things the way we do. It also appears to me that the Cowboys organization either deludes themselves or convinces themselves that things are better than what they are. I really don't get it sometimes. Maybe things will change this year but I won't be holding my breath. But, I will still be hoping for the best, just not sure what the best is. At least I feel a little better.......
 
It's really quite simple. If you're that tired of Jerry the GM and want that kind of change you only need to do one thing.

You need to quit watching the Cowboys on TV, at the games live, and buy no merchandise.

That's it. That simple. Well you need to and you need to somehow convince thousands and thousands and thousands more to join in with you on your cause and then you'll get the change you want.

It's as simple as hitting Jerry in the wallet cause it's the only way you're ever going to see him stop being GM, outside of when he decides to retire all together.
 
JG is our only hope right now. Jerry respects him and he clearly has input into the make up of the roster. There is no doubt in my mind that he is the reason why Davis and Gurode were not retained.

We have to hope that he has a solid plan in mind that includes rebuilding the offensive line and defense. To be fair we are only one season into his tenure, lets give the guy a chance to put his stamp on the team and sees where it goes from there. Yes he made some critical game management mistakes but I still think he has the potential to be a good head coach for us. He is learning on the job which isnt always ideal, but some times you have to take a step backwards in order to move forward.
 
Doomsday;4355041 said:
JG is our only hope right now. Jerry respects him and he clearly has input into the make up of the roster. There is no doubt in my mind that he is the reason why Davis and Gurode were not retained.

In retrospect, I'm not sure punting Gurode to replace him with Costa was that good of an idea....
 
Dodger;4355021 said:
I think people are starting to see exactly what you're saying, and if they're not, I'm pretty sure questions, and perhaps even doubt, are starting to enter their thoughts, even if those questions and doubts are only just starting to germinate..

I don't think you will see real pressure until the media and the "experts" can pivot off of "Romo sucks and he and the team choke in December" trope to highlight the real problems in Dallas - Jerry the GM is a rich man playing fantasy football, and while he gets the occasional star he is horrible at creating the depth required for a 53 man football team to succeed.

And until he pulls some real Al-Davis-at-the-end-crazy type moves I'm not sure they ever will. Which means the majority of 'casual' fans who line Jerry's pockets will continue to believe that it is Romo that is holding the franchise back, not keeping it afloat, or that the team is really, really, really talented - honest! - but they just keep getting bad breaks/refereeing/execution.
 
Cowboy_Shawn;4354921 said:
I have been a Cowboys fans for over 25 years. I grew up watching Randy White, Danny White, Too Tall, Everson Walls, Eugene Lockhart, etc. I hate to quantify my Cowboy fandom but I’ve learned over the years reading message boards some fans equate a post count to actual football knowledge.

Which is completely stupid.

So they’ll look at my 15 or whatever posts and conclude that I’m just some “noob” who doesn’t know football.

Meanwhile guys with 30,000 plus posts are seen as having elite football minds with incredible insight into the team. When truth be told they really aren’t any more knowledgeable than the rest of us. They just happen to have more free time on their hand. We know who those guys are. No need to name names.

But this isn’t about that.

This is about wondering how long do we have to sit through the status quo with Jerry and company before we see some tangible changes made in the franchise.

Aside from a couple of seasons it’s the same song every year. We get to December in great shape only to come crashing down to earth over the final month.

IMO, coaches and players need to be purged. The defensive coaching staff needs to be overhauled. If Rob Ryan doesn’t want them, get rid of them. Guys like Campo and Houck should be gone no matter what.

Their units consistently under-perform year after year.

As for the players I think we all have a clear understanding of which players need to be replaced. No need to beat that dead horse.

And does Jerry ever get to a point where he looks at himself in the mirror and says “I’m not cutting the mustard. I’m one of the anchors holding this franchise in a state of mediocrity.” I often wonder what will it take for him to finally point the finger at himself and realize that he’s part of the problem.

Jerry GMing this team is akin to me winning the $500 million dollar Power Ball lottery, buying the majority stake in AT&T then trying to make the day to day decisions on the direction of the company. It wouldn’t work because even though I had the funds to buy into the company, I’m not qualified to make critical day to day decisions that will lead to continued prosperity.

And that’s the problem in Dallas. We have a billionaire owner who is not qualified for his position. I’m willing to bet anyone any amount that if Jerry Jones were a GM on the open market not a single team would call him to offer him a job. Not one.

And that’s saying something.

Do you guys realize we could very easily have been swept in the NFC East. If not for a couple of miracle comebacks against the equally inept Commanders we’re 0-6 in the division.

I’m writing all this out of frustration because I don’t see that light at the end of the tunnel. It’s sickening.

I don’t have much hope for next year because I don’t trust the current group to make the right personnel decisions to get this thing moving back in the right direction.

Drafts and free agent acquisitions have for the most part been unspectacular and underwhelming.

Jerry has repeatedly stated that he’s not stepping down anytime soon.

Garrett is stubborn and is green as an OC and HC. Every week he makes a call in a critical situation that leaves you scratching your head.

So the question remains worth asking. When is enough, enough?

that's up to all individuals. but for someone saying they've been watching forever, how many times have you seen "fans" demand jones step down? how many times has he said he never will?

when you've had enough you'll quit asking and just watch or go away.

apparantely you've not had enough yet.
 
visionary;4355064 said:
when is enough, enough?

apparently, not yet

exactly ... i think with jerry slimming down and taking care of himself more i see 10 more years of mediocrity in this franchise.
 
wileedog;4355045 said:
In retrospect, I'm not sure punting Gurode to replace him with Costa was that good of an idea....

Maybe not on the field but it was more about setting the tone and direction this team is going in. Like I said, sometimes you have to take a step backwards in order to move forward. I am hoping that is the case with Gurode.
 
Doomsday;4355041 said:
JG is our only hope right now. Jerry respects him and he clearly has input into the make up of the roster. There is no doubt in my mind that he is the reason why Davis and Gurode were not retained.

We have to hope that he has a solid plan in mind that includes rebuilding the offensive line and defense. To be fair we are only one season into his tenure, lets give the guy a chance to put his stamp on the team and sees where it goes from there. Yes he made some critical game management mistakes but I still think he has the potential to be a good head coach for us. He is learning on the job which isnt always ideal, but some times you have to take a step backwards in order to move forward.

Great post. This is the only answer to the question because it is the reality we are faced with as Cowboy fans no matter how much we complain.

We just have to hope Jason has an eye for talent and an eye for the type of player he needs to fit what he is trying to build in Dallas.

The bottom line is Jerry is not a GM as far as personnel acquisitions in the true sense of the word like Dimitroff in Atlanta. He only listens to what his coaches and scouts say and does basically what they tell him to do. Where we really get into trouble is when he actually acts like a real GM and makes trades like the ones for Galloway and Roy Williams. That's when he is dangerous.

But the bottom line is he will NOT change no matter what happens. Garrett is our only hope and I just hope his plan translates into something better than we have seen the last 15 years since the departure of Jimmy.
 
It will never be "enough is enough", because we love that star too much & get angry week after week but end up crawling back to it the next Sunday..To get millions of fans to rebail to get Jerry away from this team just isn't going to happen
 

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