When Jones starts running to the sidelines

[dbair1967]

It's pretty simple. He's not a great back. Some have it, some don't. He just wasn't born with this particular skill set, although he looks the part, he's NOT a talented back.

He's solid, a ton of backs are solid. Barber, supposed to be slow and all of that, but Barber makes people miss, cuts, looks for a hole, he'll drag defenders, he'll use his speed if necessary, that is called a guy who was BORN to play RB.

not many guys that are JAGS run up multiple huge number games...anyboy can do it once in a lifetime (ala Hambrick that one game vs a lousy Washington defense)...Jones does have a handful of the best games in Cowboy RB history, and our history is dotted with awesome players at RB

like I said...he'll be somewhere else next yr, but if he ends up in the right system he will be very productive

David

 

[DBoys]

I dont know why people jsut beat the dead horse to death here

in regards to JuJo though, you dont have the kinds of games he has had (I'm speaking of those big games) unless you have ability...he'll probably end up somewhere like Denver or Houston next yr and run for 1300-1400 yds, and then the fickle folks will say Jerruh was an idiot for not keeping him

David

Good points

 

[Clove]

I think Hambrick had a couple of huge games also. Having 3 or 4 great games in your career doesn't constitute a great RB.

He's average, maybe a little bit better than average and definitely not below average. We're so used to great RBs in Dallas, it's hard to deal with someone like JJ.

 

[FCBarca]

The only way Pile Magent will be a productive back is if he's playing behind an amazing O-Line that creates crater sized running lanes and they point him in the right direction.

That or somehow he gets coached to 'learn' how to make some cuts rather run straight ahead.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I dont know why people jsut beat the dead horse to death here

in regards to JuJo though, you dont have the kinds of games he has had (I'm speaking of those big games) unless you have ability...he'll probably end up somewhere like Denver or Houston next yr and run for 1300-1400 yds, and then the fickle folks will say Jerruh was an idiot for not keeping him

David

Who in the boardroom elected you to say what is beating a dead horse and what is legitimate inquiry?
Rude. You must be from the Northeast.

I asked a question, based on what I saw on the TV machine.
Based on a concern I have about running to the sidelines.
And then you pontificate "in regards to JuJo though ...
Well you don't have to be here and nobody is holding you here.
Having said that, your comments are welcomed.

 

[coblue]

When Barber comes in for Jones I cheer out loud!

The whole bad start yesterday was because JJ still starts.

On those early runs/sweeps, ask yourself what Barber would have done with that SPACE?!

Lots more yards and momentum - maybe ALOT more.

If Barber was primary, many teams would seriously consider pulling in a DB from the extra coverage to watch for his runs.

JJ has an impact- and its more negative than positive.

 

[burmafrd]

I blame BP. How else do you explain how good he was his rookie year; then the first part of 2005 he was pretty good. And has gone downhill after that- except for the Playoff game in 2006. He had a couple of decent games. BUT basically after the early part of 2005 he was never the same again. No injury that had a permanent effect; so the only answer is that BP got into his head and ruined him. And JJ let him. JJ is not an assertive type- and I think you really have to be one to survive BP intact. BP took him apart and made him the way BP wanted- but JJ is not the kind of back that that works on. It just messed him up.

 

[NewJCowboy]

Julius ran well in the beginning of the game. They need to give him more carries.

 

[dbair1967]

I think Hambrick had a couple of huge games also. Having 3 or 4 great games in your career doesn't constitute a great RB.

He's average, maybe a little bit better than average and definitely not below average. We're so used to great RBs in Dallas, it's hard to deal with someone like JJ.

Hambrick had one

Jones has had several big game and was also our best player last yr in the playoff loss at Seattle...was the only offense we had

David

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I dont know why people jsut beat the dead horse to death here

in regards to JuJo though, you dont have the kinds of games he has had (I'm speaking of those big games) unless you have ability...he'll probably end up somewhere like Denver or Houston next yr and run for 1300-1400 yds, and then the fickle folks will say Jerruh was an idiot for not keeping him

David

True.

I really don't think anyone is saying Jones doesn't have ability. As a player you have to continue to improve and you definately cannot continue to point to huge games you had your rookie year, especially when you accuse the former head coach of "turning you into a robot" or whatever he said. He had some great games in the past but he has been very underwhelming this year.

I don't really know if Jones ever really proved himself on a consistent basis as a Dallas Cowboy and is clearly being outplayed by MBIII.

 

[superpunk]

I dont know why people jsut beat the dead horse to death here

in regards to JuJo though, you dont have the kinds of games he has had (I'm speaking of those big games) unless you have ability...he'll probably end up somewhere like Denver or Houston next yr and run for 1300-1400 yds, and then the fickle folks will say Jerruh was an idiot for not keeping him

David

Why would he perform better in Denver or Houston?

 

[Doomsday101]

Why would he perform better in Denver or Houston?

Denver does seem to be a great place for backs with their zone blocking scheme and with Kubiak putting the same offense in Houston it would be a logical move. The latest RB to show success in Denver was undrafted Selvin Young who put up 156 on 17 carries last week.

 

[superpunk]

Denver does seem to be a great place for backs with their zone blocking scheme and with Kubiak putting the same offense in Houston it would be a logical move. The lastest RB to show success in Denver was undrafted Selvin Young who put up 156 on 17 carries last week.

A zone blocking scheme....you mean like the one we've been running since Parcells came on the scene? The one that is a poor fit for backs with poor vision and decision-making skills, like Julius Jones?

 

[Doomsday101]

A zone blocking scheme....you mean like the one we've been running since Parcells came on the scene? The one that is a poor fit for backs with poor vision and decision-making skills, like Julius Jones?

No not like BP. Denver tends to go after the smaller and quicker lineman and every back they plug in seems to do well. The downside is their smaller Oline is it tends to get pushed around. Trying to simulate what Denver does and executing up front are 2 different things.

 

[dbair1967]

A zone blocking scheme....you mean like the one we've been running since Parcells came on the scene? The one that is a poor fit for backs with poor vision and decision-making skills, like Julius Jones?

its not the same there...its more of a one cut system...I threw Denver and Houston out there not just because of the system and the need for RB's they have, but also because Shanahan liked Julius Jones coming out, then took Tatum Bell right before we got JuJo...had he taken JuJo instead, they might be in better shape

David

 

[superpunk]

No not like BP. Denver tends to go after the smaller and quicker lineman and every back they plug in seems to do well. The downside is their smaller Oline is it tends to get pushed around. Trying to simulate what Denver does and executing up front are 2 different things.

They are both schemes where the blocks are set up so that the back can choose a lane and go. They require good vision, and decisiveness from the back. Those are two things Julius does not possess in the least.

Julius would be a bad fit in Houston or Denver. Or in any blocking scheme that doesn't REQUIRE him to run like a robot, or provide 12 foot-wide running lanes on a regular basis. He is what he is - an average running back with poor vision. Zone-blocking is not going to change that, no matter how much better they execute it.

 

[dbair1967]

They are both schemes where the blocks are set up so that the back can choose a lane and go. They require good vision, and decisiveness from the back. Those are two things Julius does not possess in the least.

Julius would be a bad fit in Houston or Denver. Or in any blocking scheme that doesn't REQUIRE him to run like a robot, or provide 12 foot-wide running lanes on a regular basis. He is what he is - an average running back with poor vision. Zone-blocking is not going to change that, no matter how much better they execute it.

ok, if you say so

David

 

[Doomsday101]

They are both schemes where the blocks are set up so that the back can choose a lane and go. They require good vision, and decisiveness from the back. Those are two things Julius does not possess in the least.

Julius would be a bad fit in Houston or Denver. Or in any blocking scheme that doesn't REQUIRE him to run like a robot, or provide 12 foot-wide running lanes on a regular basis. He is what he is - an average running back with poor vision. Zone-blocking is not going to change that, no matter how much better they execute it.

I disagree Dallas did not have the front to execute the zone blocking as Denver does. I think Jones would be a very good fit there and not even going to comment on the robot comment. I will say Jones is a man in need of a fresh start and Denver or Houston just may be what he needs.

 

[superpunk]

ok, if you say so

David

I do. I fail to see how having smaller, quicker linemen will improve Julius' vision.

Unless Denver has employed the fierce midget linemen of Stankonia, who can cut all comers down with a single touch, Denver is a bad fit for Julius. So is Houston.

Heck, if we can't swing a deal for McFadden we might bring him back once he realizes his services will not be in high demand.

 

[Doomsday101]

I do. I fail to see how having smaller, quicker linemen will improve Julius' vision.

Unless Denver has employed the fierce midget linemen of Stankonia, who can cut all comers down with a single touch, Denver is a bad fit for Julius. So is Houston.

Heck, if we can't swing a deal for McFadden we might bring him back once he realizes his services will not be in high demand.

Based on what you are saying why would we want him back?