CFZ When upgrading off-season roster- Think needs, not names

[Bobhaze]

When trying to upgrade an NFL roster, one of the traps some organizations (and many fans) fall into is chasing names (well known players) instead of first identifying needs, then finding the right players who can fit those needs.

In other words instead of just saying, “We need a WR and OBJ is available”, it‘s better to know what skills are needed in the WR position we need before just throwing out a big name WR (that used to be good) There may be a younger, better option available no one has heard of. This is true of multiple positions, not just WR.

More specifically, if we look honestly at this roster as it was constituted at the end of the ‘22 season, here are a list of needs that need to be addressed in BOTH the DRAFT and FA, and possibly TRADES as well:

SOME OF OUR BIG NEEDS

• Stopping the run/inside pass rush (Interior DL)
• Getting better tackling from run defense and open field plays (DL, LB, S, Corner)
• Strengthening our ability to run the ball (OG, C, OT)
• Big play capability from skill positions (RB, WR, TE)
• Consistent pass coverage from multiple secondary positions (Corner, S)
• Backup QB who can be developed

Again, this is an incomplete list of needs, but it’s a good start. So instead just throwing out names, we should first look at the needs, THEN find a suitable player who fits all other parameters.

 

[jazzcat22]

WR. Need 2 different types, or 1 that can do several things.

Big tall fast WR that can stretch the filled, and go up in the air if need be to make the catch. And can be used as a true red zone / end zone threat.
Now do they have 2 WR's one to stretch the field and one that is the bigger WR. Preferably you get a 2 in 1 type.

DT. One that can stop the run, but can also rush the passer. But I think we all will be happy with one to stop the run first.

These are th 2 most pressing needs IMO for now.

Of course always try to develop a QB, something they been ignoring for way too long. Time to use a higher draft pick if one is there.

 

[FVSTONE]

When trying to upgrade an NFL roster, one of the traps some organizations (and many fans) fall into is chasing names (well known players) instead of first identifying needs, then finding the right players who can fit those needs.

In other words instead of just saying, “We need a WR and OBJ is available”, it‘s better to know what skills are needed in the WR position we need before just throwing out a big name WR (that used to be good) There may be a younger, better option available no one has heard of. This is true of multiple positions, not just WR.

More specifically, if we look honestly at this roster as it was constituted at the end of the ‘22 season, here are a list of needs that need to be addressed in BOTH the DRAFT and FA, and possibly TRADES as well:

SOME OF OUR BIG NEEDS

• Stopping the run/inside pass rush (Interior DL)
• Getting better tackling from run defense and open field plays (DL, LB, S, Corner)
• Strengthening our ability to run the ball (OG, C, OT)
• Big play capability from skill positions (RB, WR, TE)
• Consistent pass coverage from multiple secondary positions (Corner, S)
• Backup QB who can be developed

Again, this is an incomplete list of needs, but it’s a good start. So instead just throwing out names, we should first look at the needs, THEN find a suitable player who fits all other parameters.

Has to be a name attached to that body and if that name is a nobody or a has-been then it's not going to do any good to sign the no name player. If a Aaron Donald became available for the right price then I'll go with that name.

 

[john van brocklin]

When trying to upgrade an NFL roster, one of the traps some organizations (and many fans) fall into is chasing names (well known players) instead of first identifying needs, then finding the right players who can fit those needs.

In other words instead of just saying, “We need a WR and OBJ is available”, it‘s better to know what skills are needed in the WR position we need before just throwing out a big name WR (that used to be good) There may be a younger, better option available no one has heard of. This is true of multiple positions, not just WR.

More specifically, if we look honestly at this roster as it was constituted at the end of the ‘22 season, here are a list of needs that need to be addressed in BOTH the DRAFT and FA, and possibly TRADES as well:

SOME OF OUR BIG NEEDS

• Stopping the run/inside pass rush (Interior DL)
• Getting better tackling from run defense and open field plays (DL, LB, S, Corner)
• Strengthening our ability to run the ball (OG, C, OT)
• Big play capability from skill positions (RB, WR, TE)
• Consistent pass coverage from multiple secondary positions (Corner, S)
• Backup QB who can be developed

Again, this is an incomplete list of needs, but it’s a good start. So instead just throwing out names, we should first look at the needs, THEN find a suitable player who fits all other parameters.

Here is what I don't understand:
They are afraid to sign any higher priced free agents.
Will McClay seems to be very good at evaluating talent, not just in the draft but also existing players.
Trust Will and get more active in free agency....

 

[Big D]

I think we should prioritize strengthening the ability to run as well as our ability stop the run above anything else.

The team is good but those seem to be our issues come playoff time.

 

[xwalker]

When trying to upgrade an NFL roster, one of the traps some organizations (and many fans) fall into is chasing names (well known players) instead of first identifying needs, then finding the right players who can fit those needs.

In other words instead of just saying, “We need a WR and OBJ is available”, it‘s better to know what skills are needed in the WR position we need before just throwing out a big name WR (that used to be good) There may be a younger, better option available no one has heard of. This is true of multiple positions, not just WR.

More specifically, if we look honestly at this roster as it was constituted at the end of the ‘22 season, here are a list of needs that need to be addressed in BOTH the DRAFT and FA, and possibly TRADES as well:

SOME OF OUR BIG NEEDS

• Stopping the run/inside pass rush (Interior DL)
• Getting better tackling from run defense and open field plays (DL, LB, S, Corner)
• Strengthening our ability to run the ball (OG, C, OT)
• Big play capability from skill positions (RB, WR, TE)
• Consistent pass coverage from multiple secondary positions (Corner, S)
• Backup QB who can be developed

Again, this is an incomplete list of needs, but it’sQ a good start. So instead just throwing out names, we should first look at the needs, THEN find a suitable player who fits all other parameters.

You listed all positions except starting QB and special teams.

You are defining the approach that they've been using with Stephen "cap boy" Jones leading the way.

 

[zrinkill]

When trying to upgrade an NFL roster, one of the traps some organizations (and many fans) fall into is chasing names (well known players) instead of first identifying needs, then finding the right players who can fit those needs.

In other words instead of just saying, “We need a WR and OBJ is available”, it‘s better to know what skills are needed in the WR position we need before just throwing out a big name WR (that used to be good) There may be a younger, better option available no one has heard of. This is true of multiple positions, not just WR.

More specifically, if we look honestly at this roster as it was constituted at the end of the ‘22 season, here are a list of needs that need to be addressed in BOTH the DRAFT and FA, and possibly TRADES as well:

SOME OF OUR BIG NEEDS

• Stopping the run/inside pass rush (Interior DL)
• Getting better tackling from run defense and open field plays (DL, LB, S, Corner)
• Strengthening our ability to run the ball (OG, C, OT)
• Big play capability from skill positions (RB, WR, TE)
• Consistent pass coverage from multiple secondary positions (Corner, S)
• Backup QB who can be developed

Again, this is an incomplete list of needs, but it’s a good start. So instead just throwing out names, we should first look at the needs, THEN find a suitable player who fits all other parameters.

I tell you what Bob ...... I wish Jerry would listen to you.

 

[rags747]

Thank God that we have Will McClay to figure this all out, I’m sure that he appreciates the pointers though!

 

[Bobhaze]

You listed all positions except starting QB and special teams.

You are defining the approach that they've been using with Stephen "cap boy" Jones leading the way.

He needs to improve his success rate,

 

[Bobhaze]

Here is what I don't understand:
They are afraid to sign any higher priced free agents.
Will McClay seems to be very good at evaluating talent, not just in the draft but also existing players.
Trust Will and get more active in free agency....

Thank God that we have Will McClay to figure this all out, I’m sure that he appreciates the pointers though!

I really appreciate Will McClay. His work in prepping for the draft is as good as anyone in the league. But Will advises, he doesn’t make the picks in the draft and he doesn’t choose who to pay in FA or create trade options. He certainly has input but I would feel much better if the Jones boys just had input but McClay had final say.

 

[Bobhaze]

Has to be a name attached to that body and if that name is a nobody or a has-been then it's not going to do any good to sign the no name player. If a Aaron Donald became available for the right price then I'll go with that name.

For sure about Aaron Donald. He’s HOF talent and is still very effective. And I’m not saying we should look for “no name” players only. I’m just saying we shouldn’t just assume that a player with a big name is an upgrade.

 

[fredp22]

WR, CB, 3-tech, rb

I dont have a problem with our team. We need good coaches (on offensive side) and Jerry to disappear. Over last 25+ years we fielded many good teams-the only common denominator was our weak leadership. I think we could win with our current group if we just get rid of Jerry and replace him with a good offensive minded coach to go with Quinn.
we are so close but with Jerry so far

 

[Coogiguy03]

Or just a WR that can run by you, causing the defense to actually BACK UP AND PLAY D. We need to run better/block better of course, which would open up more lanes!

BobHaze for PRES!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

 

[LatinMind]

When trying to upgrade an NFL roster, one of the traps some organizations (and many fans) fall into is chasing names (well known players) instead of first identifying needs, then finding the right players who can fit those needs.

In other words instead of just saying, “We need a WR and OBJ is available”, it‘s better to know what skills are needed in the WR position we need before just throwing out a big name WR (that used to be good) There may be a younger, better option available no one has heard of. This is true of multiple positions, not just WR.

More specifically, if we look honestly at this roster as it was constituted at the end of the ‘22 season, here are a list of needs that need to be addressed in BOTH the DRAFT and FA, and possibly TRADES as well:

SOME OF OUR BIG NEEDS

• Stopping the run/inside pass rush (Interior DL)
• Getting better tackling from run defense and open field plays (DL, LB, S, Corner)
• Strengthening our ability to run the ball (OG, C, OT)
• Big play capability from skill positions (RB, WR, TE)
• Consistent pass coverage from multiple secondary positions (Corner, S)
• Backup QB who can be developed

Again, this is an incomplete list of needs, but it’s a good start. So instead just throwing out names, we should first look at the needs, THEN find a suitable player who fits all other parameters.

They fixed that run Def with Hankins.

Sf 32 carries 113 yrds 3.5ypc 1td
Tb 12 carries 52 yrds 4.3ypc
Wash 41 carries 151 yrds 3.7ypc 1td
Tenn 24 carries 97 yrds 4.0ypc
Phi 29 carries 87 yrds 3.0ypc 1td
Jax 27 carries 192 yrds 7.1ypc
Hou 37 carries 114 yrds 3.1 carries 1td
Ind 30 carries 106 yrds 3.5ypc
NYG 21 carries 90yrds 4.3ypc 1td
Minn 17 carries 73 yrds 4.3ypc
GB 39 carries 201 yrds 5.3ypc 1 td

They had 2 bad games after he was signed. He missed the end of the reg season and came back for the playoffs.

I think they should add a player or two but they're fine vs the run.

 

[xwalker]

He needs to improve his success rate,

Your thread was about identifying need. I didn't see a reference to success rate.

OBJ is not the only WR they tried to acquire. They definitely attempted to trade for Brandin Cooks and were rumored to have inquired about other WRs.

 

[kskboys]

You listed all positions except starting QB and special teams.

You are defining the approach that they've been using with Stephen "cap boy" Jones leading the way.

Except that the Jones are so horrific at evaluating players/needs that they fail every year.

 

[kskboys]

He needs to improve his success rate,

Same thing I said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[xwalker]

When trying to upgrade an NFL roster, one of the traps some organizations (and many fans) fall into is chasing names (well known players) instead of first identifying needs, then finding the right players who can fit those needs.

In other words instead of just saying, “We need a WR and OBJ is available”, it‘s better to know what skills are needed in the WR position we need before just throwing out a big name WR (that used to be good) There may be a younger, better option available no one has heard of. This is true of multiple positions, not just WR.

More specifically, if we look honestly at this roster as it was constituted at the end of the ‘22 season, here are a list of needs that need to be addressed in BOTH the DRAFT and FA, and possibly TRADES as well:

SOME OF OUR BIG NEEDS

• Stopping the run/inside pass rush (Interior DL)
• Getting better tackling from run defense and open field plays (DL, LB, S, Corner)
• Strengthening our ability to run the ball (OG, C, OT)
• Big play capability from skill positions (RB, WR, TE)
• Consistent pass coverage from multiple secondary positions (Corner, S)
• Backup QB who can be developed

Again, this is an incomplete list of needs, but it’s a good start. So instead just throwing out names, we should first look at the needs, THEN find a suitable player who fits all other parameters.

They only made 2 mistakes, in my opinion.

Overly optimistic about Gallup.

Overly optimistic about their DT group.
- They just needed 1 of Gallimore, Hill or Bohanna to step up against the run.
- They did trade for Hankins and he was good in the playoffs.

OBJ if healthy is exactly what they need.

 

[Rockport]

When trying to upgrade an NFL roster, one of the traps some organizations (and many fans) fall into is chasing names (well known players) instead of first identifying needs, then finding the right players who can fit those needs.

In other words instead of just saying, “We need a WR and OBJ is available”, it‘s better to know what skills are needed in the WR position we need before just throwing out a big name WR (that used to be good) There may be a younger, better option available no one has heard of. This is true of multiple positions, not just WR.

More specifically, if we look honestly at this roster as it was constituted at the end of the ‘22 season, here are a list of needs that need to be addressed in BOTH the DRAFT and FA, and possibly TRADES as well:

SOME OF OUR BIG NEEDS

• Stopping the run/inside pass rush (Interior DL)
• Getting better tackling from run defense and open field plays (DL, LB, S, Corner)
• Strengthening our ability to run the ball (OG, C, OT)
• Big play capability from skill positions (RB, WR, TE)
• Consistent pass coverage from multiple secondary positions (Corner, S)
• Backup QB who can be developed

Again, this is an incomplete list of needs, but it’s a good start. So instead just throwing out names, we should first look at the needs, THEN find a suitable player who fits all other parameters.

Zoners gonna disagree with you. I don’t. Good post.

 

[Bobhaze]

They only made 2 mistakes, in my opinion.

Overly optimistic about Gallup.

Overly optimistic about their DT group.
- They just needed 1 of Gallimore, Hill or Bohanna to step up against the run.
- They did trade for Hankins and he was good in the playoffs.

OBJ if healthy is exactly what they need.

Agree with some of this, especially their assessment of Gallup. And they assumed we would be alright after trading Cooper without any upgrade. Had a really good good draft but not near enough in FA.

And, OBJ is NOT exactly what they need IMO.