When was the last time Dallas signed an impactful Def player?

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DJ Reader
Gilmore
Mathieu
Jurrell Casey
Bouye
Bradley Roby
Sheldon Richardson
Derek Wolfe
Malik Jackson
CJ Mosely
Star Loteleilei
Micah Hyde
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Michael Pierce
Danny Shelton
Darius Slay

Those are not big time free agents lol...we are talking about the guys who were perennial all pro guys that made it to free agency.

 

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See my reply to Kaiser. My response was to you that said "when was the last actual big time free agen?". As though, they do not happen. I would agree, like I said before that big free agent misses heavily outnumber big free agent hits. But they happen. Stephon Gillmore was way better than Brandon Carr as far as a player and was rewarded top dollar from one of the stingiest franchises in the cap era. All the players I listed had pivotal roles in either winning a Super Bowl or getting close. All got big time money for their free agent contract.

Gilmore was the same level of signing as Carr money wise. It doesn’t look like it because they signed 5 years apart so there’s some inflation there you aren’t seeing.

 

[quickccc]

Brandon Carr wasn't a bad signing.

Actually it was a bad signing for the 50 million contract it cost us, imo.
And the Cowboys knew they were overplaying for him and knew he was not a ball hawk before he even came here.
But they felt compelled to get secondary help so badly that they bit on Carr for some reason.

Carr was a Crawford type signing in the secondary. Overpaid for an average player. Carr was just a decent-serviceable player.
He wasn't a difference maker and did not set the tone for how we played defense in the secondary.

 

[quickccc]

I think Deon Sanders was the last one...or was it Charles Haley.

Haley was acquired by trade, ..not FA.
Deion however was the really big FA signing. and that was 1995.
And How many decades was that ago ?

yeh we caught Laroi Glover may have been at the tail end of his career and the eventually change to the 3-4 scheme definitely signaled the end of his Cowboys career.,

 

[Kaiser]

Try not to sound like someone that says, well yeah if you are talking about that one measley super bowl, they helped them win-but what about some of these lackluster performances...Ware also has more extensive injury issues during his time there, but played extremely well on that playoff run (worth every penny). Gilmore helped the Pats win a super bowl dominated by defense, has won NFL defensive POY, etc etc.

Like I said, and still undefeated-I'm correct in pointing out that sometimes these contracts work out well (at least for one magical year). Deion Sanders worked out for one magical season.

Try not to sound like a middle school student writing things like "I'm undefeated in Internet posts".

Denver paid Ware elite money and you are crowing about his performance in a season where he was paid 8 Million dollars for 4 sacks. Ware was so awesome in 2016 that Denver forced him to take a paycut and didn't resign him after the season.

 

[Blitzen]

Try not to sound like a middle school student writing things like "I'm undefeated in Internet posts".

Denver paid Ware elite money and you are crowing about his performance in a season where he was paid 8 Million dollars for 4 sacks. Ware was so awesome in 2016 that Denver forced him to take a paycut and didn't resign him after the season.

And they were also rewarded with a Super Bowl that he had a pivotal role in. Seriously, do you guys argue just to argue? I'm done here, there's no defense for you on this. And I meant this argument being undefeated. Quit being ridiculous-sometimes the big money free agents work out in favor of the team that shelled out lots of dough.

 

[Blitzen]

Gilmore was the same level of signing as Carr money wise. It doesn’t look like it because they signed 5 years apart so there’s some inflation there you aren’t seeing.

That's true, but he was still top of the market when he signed. Most free agents get much more on the open market, since there are few elite or even really good players to hit free agency any given year. My point still stands. He was as "big time" as usually hit the open market.

If the OP was only referring to multiple All-Pro awarded, multiple super bowl rings, still in their prime, hitting the open market-yeah I guess you have a point. I take it as, whoever hits the open market gets a top dollar contract, and still has at least one magical season with the team that paid so much.

 

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That's true, but he was still top of the market when he signed. Most free agents get much more on the open market, since there are few elite or even really good players to hit free agency any given year. My point still stands. He was as "big time" as usually hit the open market.

If the OP was only referring to multiple All-Pro awarded, multiple super bowl rings, still in their prime, hitting the open market-yeah I guess you have a point. I take it as, whoever hits the open market gets a top dollar contract, and still has at least one magical season with the team that paid so much.

I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just saying if you think Gilmore is a big time free agent then you have to say Brandon Carr is one as well.

 

[Kaiser]

And they were also rewarded with a Super Bowl that he had a pivotal role in. Seriously, do you guys argue just to argue? I'm done here, there's no defense for you on this. And I meant this argument being undefeated. Quit being ridiculous-sometimes the big money free agents work out in favor of the team that shelled out lots of dough.

Bye. You have the avatar of Dolf Lundgren but the courage of Pee Wee Herman.

 

[fivetwos]

They cant afford to ignore free agency the way they do if they expect to win.

If they think they are as close as they seem to, its even worse.

Cant expect to fill holes with only draft picks. There isnt enough good ones.

They probably know they will blow it and are scared to look worse than they already do. Would be more clear evidence they have no clue.

 

[Whirlwin]

Haley wasn’t a FA signing. It was a trade. Deion was a FA signing, and he was after Haley.

So your point. That wasn’t part of the criteria. No matter what free agent or trade. Eventually signed the player to a contract

 

[Blitzen]

Bye. You have the avatar of Dolf Lundgren but the courage of Pee Wee Herman.

Lol, I have just enough time in a day for a few responses (there are no more arguments to be made on this that I can see). If you are thinking you are tough for continuing a silly narrative-go for it clown.

 

[Kaiser]

Lol, I have just enough time in a day for a few responses (there are no more arguments to be made on this that I can see). If you are thinking you are tough for continuing a silly narrative-go for it clown.

I don't think I'm tough, I think your point is stupid.... Dolf Lundgren Avatar guy.

 

[Blitzen]

I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just saying if you think Gilmore is a big time free agent then you have to say Brandon Carr is one as well.

He was the biggest free agent of that year for cornerbacks. It was not a good return on investment. Any of the free agents that get top contracts are "big time" free agents to me (whether or not they work out).

 

[Blitzen]

I don't think I'm tough, I think your point is stupid.... Dolf Lundgren Avatar guy.

Yes, signing a high dollar free agent that culminated in 1 super bowl but had some disappointing regular season returns somehow equals a bad contract. Jerry Jones would sell one of his grandchildren for another super bowl (if he got credit for the win). No one with Denver's front office would look back at that contract and feel they did not get sufficient return on investment.

From what I can tell, you are arguing against this last sentence correct?

 

[blueblood70]

Trying to think of the last time Dallas signed in an impactful defensive player that actually worked for Dallas. Not just re-signing a player or signing a big name player at the end of his career. Signed a big name free-agent defensive player then that player was actually good for his contract or the majority of his contract. Brandon Carr maybe in 2012? The last true defensive free agent signing that had a great impact at Dallas to me is La’roi Glover all the way back in 2002.

QUINN you have amnesia didnt have to pay that much..dont say he was liability in the run, he was brought here to be a 4-3 RDE and had what 13 sacks..

look the reason we dont go after a lot because you do pay them and they dont meet expectations ... Carrr is the reason Jerry is timid about doing it because it seldom works out..

 

[Kaiser]

No one with Denver's front office would look back at that contract and feel they did not get sufficient return on investment.

No one with Denver's front office would argue with that contract, except for the people in Denver's front office that made Ware restructure down for less money in the last year of the contract or get cut.

Is that the point you are making? Because you began the discussion by saying Ware's contract was "greatness"

 

[kskboys]

Those are not big time free agents lol...we are talking about the guys who were perennial all pro guys that made it to free agency.

Yes they are.

All pro is not the definition for impact FA's. Narrowing the field after asking a question seems pretty weak.

 

[kskboys]

I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just saying if you think Gilmore is a big time free agent then you have to say Brandon Carr is one as well.

Brandon Carr was advertised as an impact FA, but he was not. And yes, I called it when we signed him.

 

[Blitzen]

No one with Denver's front office would argue with that contract, except for the people in Denver's front office that made Ware restructure down for less money in the last year of the contract or get cut.

Is that the point you are making? Because you began the discussion by saying Ware's contract was "greatness"

Yeah, that was my argument-it was and will always be greatness (as the results of the initial contract netted Denver 1 super bowl). Nope, restructuring at the end does not mean they regretted initially signing him to that contract (as they already were repaid in full), just that with all the other big contracts they had to deal with they decided they could not afford Ware at that rate after winning the SB. D. Ware had so many injuries by then that everyone knew he might not even make it through the next season, including him. He decided to try one more SB run, didn't want to play anywhere else that year, and took a pay cut then retired when that year did not pan out.