Where is the accountability?

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Before anyone starts bashing me, be patient and please read this post.

I have been a Romo fan for quite some time now, but there are a few things that have bothered me over the last three years. As Hossy mentioned in another thread, I see the horizon, the big picture - I can't help it, I am a historian.

That said, the question has lingered in me for a while now - where's the accountability for some of these plays? Players have not been punished, benched, called out by their teammates and it is sickening. Take today's game for instance.

Why did Garrett call that passing play for Robinson that led to the interception? The dbacks for the Lions understood they needed to pressure the receivers as the game developed. Does Robinson have the skill to muscle his way through the db to catch a slant?

The other interception also can be laid at the feet of Romo and Garrett. Why call a play action pass so close to the end zone, especially if the linebackers are not showing blitz? The linebacker (a first round bust) read that play perfectly and intercepted the pass for a touchdown.

The last interception could have also been avoided had Romo not focused on Witten. This has been brought up by several members as a problem. Why throw to an individual you know the defense will pursue prior to the pass? Garrett has been pegged as the next great coach by many on this forum and he certainly has the sill set to become that great coach. Why call a play so late in the game that might lead to an interception? Jimmy Johnson noted in an interview his strategy to protect Aikman and avoid these problems. Why does Garrett not follow his advice.

A lack of football knowhow has also manifested its ugly head this year as it did last year. Twice thus far in the last two game we have seen runningbacks run out of bounds that hurt the team's chances of winning. Last week, Choice ran out of bounds saving the skins a timeout. Today, Felix ran out on fourth down instead of trying to get the first down. Why do that?

Mistakes such as those listed above require accountability and it has not been achieved by the coaches. Why not bench Romo for a series after the first or SECOND interception? Would these hurt someone's feelings? Why not release one or two of these players for making such bonehead play? Are we so strapped for players that a release will ruin the season.

I have also seen to many cheerleaders on the sidelines. Where is the tough love? Where have you seen the coaches ripping into a player? Where are the teammates that should lead and get into the face of those that make these mistakes?

Many have mentioned that Garrett would fix these problems, but it has yet to happen.
I understand the season is young and we have weeks to go, but will these problems linger and hurt the team even more? Where is the accountability?
 
Re-format the post. Some folks won't read it...because it just reads as a jumbled mess.

I agree with most of your post. You can't just chalk this up as a bad day.
 
Ogletree lost his spot because of last week but it takes place out of our site for sure.

Garrett should consider an OC so that he can be head coach full time. He would still have power to over ride a play call.
 
SkinsandTerps;4158694 said:
Re-format the post. Some folks won't read it...because it just reads as a jumbled mess.

I agree with most of your post. You can't just chalk this up as a bad day.

Thanks! Where is Hoss? I can't edit anymore; time has expired.
 
There are several points that can be made about the OP, but one glaring one is that it criticized the play call on the Carpenter interception based on the fact that carpenter read the play perfectly. How exactly was Garrett supposed to know before the play was called and before the teams lined up that Carp was going to read the play perfectly?

I find it funny that so many fans don't realize that success or failure isn't based on the perfect play call at all times, its based on calling an overall good game, and when threr either is a bad play call or the defense simply reads a reasonable play call correctly the QB (Romo) has to read what is going on himself and avoid making a mistake.

As for the INT on the pass to Robinson, Garrett has to call the play in advance - Romo is the guy that gets to line his team up and look across the line of scrimmage and see how the opposing defense is lining up. Garrett can't make the read at that point - Romo has to.
 
Romo has to learn how to spread the ball around and make EVERYBODY! around him better, not just Witten and Robinson all game, and Bryant 1st half. My question is why isn't Dez Bryant utilize in the second half game-planning?
 
If you are going to bash the same play calling that gave us 30 points, then there is no point in talking to you. If you want to blame our experienced 31 year old QB for going brain dead in the second half. Then I agree with you
 
Stautner;4158751 said:
There are several points that can be made about the OP, but one glaring one is that it criticized the play call on the Carpenter interception based on the fact that carpenter read the play perfectly. How exactly was Garrett supposed to know before the play was called and before the teams lined up that Carp was going to read the play perfectly?

I find it funny that so many fans don't realize that success or failure isn't based on the perfect play call at all times, its based on calling an overall good game, and when threr either is a bad play call or the defense simply reads a reasonable play call correctly the QB (Romo) has to read what is going on himself and avoid making a mistake.

As for the INT on the pass to Robinson, Garrett has to call the play in advance - Romo is the guy that gets to line his team up and look across the line of scrimmage and see how the opposing defense is lining up. Garrett can't make the read at that point - Romo has to.

Good points. However, a coach should know all these facets of the game. And if I didn't make it clear that Romo should also be blamed for the Robinson pass that was intercepted, that is my fault. He too has to share the blame.
 
Cochese;4158750 said:
but but but.......things were gonna be different!!!!

So .. what .. you just troll every thread now? That will teach <insert hated player and/or coach of the moment here>?

Are you incapable of actually formulating an in depth thought or is transcribing it too difficult?

It must be because I have seen you post in every thread I have read and you have offered nothing of any intelligence beyond proving you have the ability to imitate the kid picked last for sports and you have an efficient skill in clicking the Submit Reply button.

#reality
 
RealCowboyfan;4158765 said:
Romo has to learn how to spread the ball around and make EVERYBODY! around him better, not just Witten and Robinson all game, and Bryant 1st half. My question is why isn't Dez Bryant utilize in the second half game-planning?

Dez has been quiet in the second half of every game this season. I find it hard to believe he is being removed from the game plan by garrett.

Adjustments by the opposing team seem more plausible.
 
cbow44;4158769 said:
If you are going to bash the same play calling that gave us 30 points, then there is no point in talking to you. If you want to blame our experienced 31 year old QB for going brain dead in the second half. Then I agree with you

I appreciate your thoughts. However, my post has been written to enlighten readers with regards to a broader picture of what has taken place over a lengthier time. I agree our first half calling represented one of the best thus far under Garrett. However, Garrett must also continue to evolve his play calling as the game develops.
 
el_chevo;4158655 said:
Why did Garrett call that passing play for Robinson that led to the interception? The dbacks for the Lions understood they needed to pressure the receivers as the game developed. Does Robinson have the skill to muscle his way through the db to catch a slant?

I don't think we have a good idea of what he can or can't do just yet because we didn't have a TC or preseason with him. I suspect that this is not a good pass to throw to him when he is tightly defended.

The other interception also can be laid at the feet of Romo and Garrett. Why call a play action pass so close to the end zone, especially if the linebackers are not showing blitz? The linebacker (a first round bust) read that play perfectly and intercepted the pass for a touchdown.[/quote[

This was just a bad read by Romo. The play-action part was fine as I think we were trying to catch Detroit overplaying the run in that situation.

The last interception could have also been avoided had Romo not focused on Witten. This has been brought up by several members as a problem. Why throw to an individual you know the defense will pursue prior to the pass?

On that INT the issue isn't that defense was overly focusing on Witten. He was 1-on-1 with a LB and he was wide open. That is a big play if Romo can deliver him the ball. The problem was that Romo was under pressure from the interior and couldn't step into the throw so it was badly overthrown. This was a case of Romo pressing. He has a tendency to do this late in close games where he has made a major mistake. This was the equivalent play to the INT in the Jets game earlier this year. Detroit had been having some success in the second half offensively and Romo felt he needed to score on that drive or the game is over. He pressed himself into a bad mistake. I think Garrett has to understand his QB and talk to him on the sideline before he goes out in these situations.


Today, Felix ran out on fourth down instead of trying to get the first down. Why do that?

My only explanation is that Felix was confused about the down. He must have stepped out to setup for a hail mary on the last play of the game.

Mistakes such as those listed above require accountability and it has not been achieved by the coaches. Why not bench Romo for a series after the first or SECOND interception? Would these hurt someone's feelings? Why not release one or two of these players for making such bonehead play? Are we so strapped for players that a release will ruin the season.

You cannot bench your star quarterback in that situation. You have to let him play through it or he will lose the team. This is Romo's offense and he has to lead them no matter the result.

I know that we live and die with the team and we sometimes want to see them go all nuts on a player after a mistake but this is not the mentality Garrett is trying to instill on the team. If players are not playing well and earning their roster spot they will be released - we saw a ton of that before the season started.

This is a very young offense. We cannot run the ball and all five of our main offensive playmakers have had major injuries issues. Some are playing well below 100% and others can't play at all:

Witten: badly bruised ribs - he is the healthiest

Romo: broken ribs - he is suffering more than people realize

Felix: separated shoulder - he is playing with tons of guts. That is an excruciating injury and it is amazing that he is able to keep toughing it out.

Miles: hamstring - cannot play

Dez: Severe quad contusion - if you've ever had a horrible charley horse then you know what he is going through. He can only run at about 75% effort right now. He has totally lost his explosion.

So now Romo is out there without his running game, a very banged up Dez, Robinson who he doesn't really know and Otree who has very little game experience in the NFL.

I think we'll hit our stride in the second half of the year. Maybe we'll make the playoffs.

This team is better than any team we've fielded since 2007. We're just going through some injuries and growing pains right now. We have to keep our cool and work out way through it and I know that is what Garrett is trying to do. Keep us in range until we have our players back and our rookies seasoned up.
 
how can you sit here and say there is no accountability? Garrett is benching players every single week...Ogletree, Nagy (then DD got hurt), he cut all those bums in the offseason, he benched spears..probably some more..but Garrett is definitely keeping players accountable..

the only one who isnt being held to those standards is ROmo
 
GloryDaysRBack;4158818 said:
how can you sit here and say there is no accountability? Garrett is benching players every single week...Ogletree, Nagy (then DD got hurt), he cut all those bums in the offseason, he benched spears..probably some more..but Garrett is definitely keeping players accountable..

the only one who isnt being held to those standards is ROmo

Good point on Romo. I have yet to see him bench Choice or show some tough love on the sideline to some of these players. But, perhaps I have not seen this if it happened on the sideline.
As far as the cuts, those moves, as I understand it, also came as a result of the salary cap.
 
el_chevo;4158771 said:
Good points. However, a coach should know all these facets of the game. And if I didn't make it clear that Romo should also be blamed for the Robinson pass that was intercepted, that is my fault. He too has to share the blame.

Garrett is supposed to know ho?know how Carpenter is going to read and react before either team has lined up? Come on.

There is a reason EVERY team has a method for calling audibles, and that is because an O=Coordinator has to call a play before getting to see the defensive alignment and without the benefit of making the reads a QB can from the LOS. This isn't unique to Dallas. Not even the most successful teams in the NFL can get away from this - none make the perfect calll all the time and every team has to rely on the QB to make a decision when the teams line up.
 
Eskimo;4158812 said:
I don't think we have a good idea of what he can or can't do just yet because we didn't have a TC or preseason with him. I suspect that this is not a good pass to throw to him when he is tightly defended.
Good point. However, Romo should recognize these facets of the game after 6 years.

This was just a bad read by Romo. The play-action part was fine as I think we were trying to catch Detroit overplaying the run in that situation.

True, but perhaps they paid close attention to the Jets game.

On that INT the issue isn't that defense was overly focusing on Witten. He was 1-on-1 with a LB and he was wide open. That is a big play if Romo can deliver him the ball. The problem was that Romo was under pressure from the interior and couldn't step into the throw so it was badly overthrown. This was a case of Romo pressing. He has a tendency to do this late in close games where he has made a major mistake. This was the equivalent play to the INT in the Jets game earlier this year. Detroit had been having some success in the second half offensively and Romo felt he needed to score on that drive or the game is over. He pressed himself into a bad mistake. I think Garrett has to understand his QB and talk to him on the sideline before he goes out in these situations.
Yes, talk to Romo before he goes out there.




My only explanation is that Felix was confused about the down. He must have stepped out to setup for a hail mary on the last play of the game.
Inexcusable for a veteran.



You cannot bench your star quarterback in that situation. You have to let him play through it or he will lose the team. This is Romo's offense and he has to lead them no matter the result.
I see your point, but what alternative do we have when Romo continues to falter?



I think we'll hit our stride in the second half of the year. Maybe we'll make the playoffs.

This team is better than any team we've fielded since 2007. We're just going through some injuries and growing pains right now. We have to keep our cool and work out way through it and I know that is what Garrett is trying to do. Keep us in range until we have our players back and our rookies seasoned up.
I agree.
 
Stautner;4158833 said:
Garrett is supposed to know ho?know how Carpenter is going to read and react before either team has lined up? Come on.

There is a reason EVERY team has a method for calling audibles, and that is because an O=Coordinator has to call a play before getting to see the defensive alignment and without the benefit of making the reads a QB can from the LOS. This isn't unique to Dallas. Not even the most successful teams in the NFL can get away from this - none make the perfect calll all the time and every team has to rely on the QB to make a decision when the teams line up.
I understand we cannot make perfect calls every time. However, everyone has their tendencies. Had we run the ball well enough to get the attention of the defense, this could have been avoided. I don't think those linebackers were fooled one bit.
 
Question for you is :

Who do you want held accountable, that you believe is not being so at this point ?

I know this won't be a popular answer, but Dez, the OL, RB's and that front seven are question marks as far as accountability. I understand you can't just cut a guy, but you can certainly bring in a guy to challenge for that spot.
 
cbow44;4158769 said:
If you are going to bash the same play calling that gave us 30 points, then there is no point in talking to you. If you want to blame our experienced 31 year old QB for going brain dead in the second half. Then I agree with you
Of the 3 picks, he made 1 mental mistake....Hardly going brain dead.
 

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