Where's the nasty?

[Hostile]

I remember when the old Oakland Raiders were struggling tackling on defense and Al Davis made it a point in the 1971 draft to get some aggressive hitters. That year he got Jack Tatum and Phil Villapiano who Davis said changed the attitude of that defense and improved the entire team's tackling. Those two guys set the tone for those hard hitting teams of the mid and late 70's that battled Pittsburgh every year. It started with two great hitters (and yes sometimes dirty) and changed that team's future. I believe we are missing this on our defense. I absolutely hate our soft defense. I want teams to fear us like they do the Steelers' James Harrison.

Jack Tatum would never be able to play in today's NFL.

For the record folks, I do not like the softer contact rules, but they exist. Let's recognize that and think inside that box. Enforcers are going to be weeded out of the NFL little by little.

 

[birdwells1]

Neither Woodson nor Matthews are considered nasty players.

That is the criteria here.

What about the first part of his quote? I thought it was excellent.

 

[DanteEXT]

I remember when the old Oakland Raiders were struggling tackling on defense and Al Davis made it a point in the 1971 draft to get some aggressive hitters. That year he got Jack Tatum and Phil Villapiano who Davis said changed the attitude of that defense and improved the entire team's tackling. Those two guys set the tone for those hard hitting teams of the mid and late 70's that battled Pittsburgh every year. It started with two great hitters (and yes sometimes dirty) and changed that team's future. I believe we are missing this on our defense. I absolutely hate our soft defense. I want teams to fear us like they do the Steelers' James Harrison.

So you want to add thugs and dirty to the national image of the Cowboys on top of the whole criminals from the 90's?

 

[Sarge]

Way to try to put words in birdies mouth. You will never change.

If that is how you feel, you can always use the "ignore" function and quit complaining.

 

[JoeCorrado]

Woodson and Mathews are leaders on the defense. But nasty? Really?

I am not talking "nasty" - I am talking about players who will RESPOND to an attempt to bully by turning on the "don't go there with us" attitude. Not the turn the cheek attitude. But the we will give as well as get if you try that with us kind of attitude. Fick me, Fick you.

You guys playing dense on purpose or is this your response to knowing you have lost the argument?

So you want to add thugs and dirty to the national image of the Cowboys on top of the whole criminals from the 90's?

The guys who we glorify here and brag about the three rings in the 90's guys. THAT TEAM??

Wow, what a brilliant thing to say. How many HOF thugs from those teams? Was Haley a thug? Was Norton? I could of course, go on.

 

[boyzjunkie]

No, I won't.

What words did I put in his mouth? Oh right, none. I extended his logic out to the facts. Harrison got a 1 game suspension for yet another dirty hit. How many games will it be next time?

We need that? Uh, no.

I am still waiting for word on who is the enforcer on Green Bay or New Orleans. I doubt there will be an answer.

You chose to "extend his logic" out to a premise that suited your point of view. Namely that bird wants dirty players. He clearly did not say or infer that. He wants players with some attitude. A desire to win above just collecting a paycheck.

I believe your nitpicking contrarian position to the majority of posts on the board is a result of frustration built up over the last five or so years of UNINSPIRED football we have been subjected to. You want to take it out on posters. Fine. Have at it.
But there is a clear difference between discussing posts and nitpicking them to prove or disprove an inconsequential point just to inflate your own ego.

 

[proline]

Egads, is logic dead?

No, but apparently answering the question is.

 

[forever22]

Not sure if the word "nasty" is being confused with intense because you don't have to play "nasty" to play big, just play with intensity. Since Ware and Harrison are being compared here, do you honestly think Ware is any less accounted for/offensivley feared, than Harrison? Quite honestly, all you have to do is make the play and I don't care how clean or dirty you play it, the end result will be the same, it's when you don't make a play and they get to talk smack, is when it matters. Just make the play.

Ronnie Lott wasn't nasty, he played clean and hit hard. That's playing with intensity

 

[DanteEXT]

I am not talking "nasty" - I am talking about players who will RESPOND to an attempt to bully by turning on the "don't go there with us" attitude. Not the turn the cheek attitude. But the we will give as well as get if you try that with us kind of attitude. Fick me, Fick you.

You guys playing dense on purpose or is this your response to knowing you have lost the argument?

1st, the thread title is 'were's the nasty?' so that is my frame on the discussion here.

And though I don't watch a lot of Packers games, what I have seen I don't see those 2 players fitting the description.

 

[JoeCorrado]

No, but apparently answering a the question is.

Can't expect an answer because it would also be an admission. They refuse to answer on the basis that it could incriminate their football logic.

1st, the thread title is 'were's the nasty?' so that is my frame on the discussion here.

And though I don't watch a lot of Packers games, what I have seen I don't see those 2 players fitting the description.

Should maybe come up to speed on where the discussion goes before assuming a discussion must remain static because of the OP's unfortunate choice of adjectives.

You don't watch the Packers much at all then.

 

[DanteEXT]

The guys who we glorify here and brag about the three rings in the 90's guys. THAT TEAM??

Wow, what a brilliant thing to say. How many HOF thugs from those teams? Was Haley a thug? Was Norton? I could of course, go on.

I'm not talking about there accomplishments. I'm talking about the actions of a few players creating the image that those teams were filled with criminals. An image that lasts even today, years after those players stopped playing.

 

[birdwells1]

I'm seeing it popup in other threads now, Cowboy Joe has one that says that the Giants hate us what Cowboys hate the Giants?

Hos, you can tell me all you want but I can see with my own eyes. This team is in dire need for a strong defensive leader.

Why did Keith Brooking come over and in his first year become the defensive leader? The only thing he did was fill a void. Ware, Brady, Newman, Spears, and Ratliff was already hear and all are original Cowboy and Keith Brooking from Atlanta came over and became the teams leader. That right there should tell you something.

 

[JoeCorrado]

Ronnie Lott wasn't nasty, he played clean and hit hard. That's playing with intensity

Who is our Ronnie Lott then? Did you often see Lott asking the guy if he just laid out was OK, need a hand up? Or did you see him standing over him saying... don't come back here, or it is happening again, just harder... be afraid of me?

Who is our Ronnie Lott? Who is our Charles Haley? Who is our Bob Lily? Who is our physical and intimidating leader. Note the AND part of the description.

 

[birdwells1]

1st, the thread title is 'were's the nasty?' so that is my frame on the discussion here.

And though I don't watch a lot of Packers games, what I have seen I don't see those 2 players fitting the description.

My definition of "nasty" is tough, mean, HARD HITTING. I was talking to a 49ers fan the other day and he asked me what I thought of his team. I told him that had a "nasty" defense but that the offense is suspect.

 

[DanteEXT]

My definition of "nasty" is tough, mean, HARD HITTING. I was talking to a 49ers fan the other day and he asked me what I thought of his team. I told him that had a "nasty" defense but that the offense is suspect.

That may be, but when you reference a player as an example of the type you want that just got suspended it comes across like you want a dirty player.

 

[birdwells1]

That may be, but when you reference a player as an example of the type you want that just got suspended it comes across like you want a dirty player.

I really don't call what Harrison's doing dirty. He's making a split second decision and have been doing it all his life, they just changed the rules that makes what he does against the rules.

Harrisons mentality is that he's going to keep on playing like he was taught in little league and the league just have to do what they got to do.

The league had a talk with the Steelers about the way they are hitting people. They said that they had to stop knocking people out.

They said that it was no need to talk to the Cowboys because they're not concerned with the Cowboys hurting anyone. :laugh2:

 

[forever22]

Who is our Ronnie Lott then? Did you often see Lott asking the guy if he just laid out was OK, need a hand up? Or did you see him standing over him saying... don't come back here, or it is happening again, just harder... be afraid of me?

Who is our Ronnie Lott? Who is our Charles Haley? Who is our Bob Lily? Who is our physical and intimidating leader. Note the AND part of the description.

Again, if you make the play, I don't care if he handed him his paycheck, it's when you don't make the play is when it matters. If a defense holds a team to 80 yds rushing, 200 passing and 10 points and you win by a decent margin, does it matter whether you hit them hard and started screaming in the air? Adversely, if you played nasty and lost a game, does it matter? Just make the plays, I don't care what your mentality is. If Harrison doesn't make the play, would you even care or worry about his intensity?

 

[kojak]

How did that work out for Kevin Burnett during the 2007 playoff game against the Giants? Cost us 15 yards, a fresh set of downs for the Giants, who eventually scored and gained the momentum of the game going into halftime.

 

[EPL0c0]

It'll never happen. The image of the organization is bigger than the players in it. Dallas is the guys in the cape. They're the good guys, the hereos no matter what happens.

 

[ladiewolve]

How did that work out for Kevin Burnett during the 2007 playoff game against the Giants? Cost us 15 yards, a fresh set of downs for the Giants, who eventually scored and gained the momentum of the game going into halftime.

Amen Brother! And don't forgot about the horse collar rule that began with the cowboys too. Putting all that aside, I don't think it makes a "soft team" by asking if someone is ok or helping someone up. It is called good sportsman ship and I for one think alot of teams lack that. Maybe just maybe that is one of the factors that makes us America's team.