Where's this team at with this roster?

[kskboys]

Tackle situation is worse than receiver but people just ignore it for whatever reason.

Happens every year. We should be taking DTs in 2 of the first 3 rounds.

 

[kskboys]

Last season the Cowboys roster included ten 1st round, ten 2nd round and ten 3rd round picks

The Eagles roster had twelve 1st round, ten 2nd round and eight third round picks.

Washington had ten 1st round, nine 2nd round and eight 3rd round picks.

The difference hasn't been with the talent level of the teams. The difference is the quality of management and coaching.

The real difference is the Cowboys inability to construct a cohesive team with the proper priorities and focus.

For three decades the Cowboys management has demonstrated that they don't even know where to begin.

Tell me you're not evaluating talent by counting how many high draft picks are on the team. C'moooooooonnnnn.

Sooooooooooooo, that means Patrick Mahomes and Trey Lance are equal players. That is 100% what you are saying. No difference between Mazi Smith and Dexter Lawrence. Jahan Dotson and Justin Jefferson, no difference whatsoever.

Is this Jerry's account? I think he's the only one who sees value in where a player was picked. Doesn't matter if he busted, he was a high pick so he has to be good, right?

 

[Whirlwin]

And you haven't either. We don't know what Schotty is. Not sure anyone really does.

Look at the size of the offensive line that we’re getting. There’s no one under 320. They’re all built like tree trunks. I know he’s fixing the pits with size ,

 

[Whirlwin]

Happens every year. We should be taking DTs in 2 of the first 3 rounds.

At least for the last 10 seasons, yup lol. Maybe he can talk Jerry into it.

 

[starfan1]

Don't agree. There's a huge dropoff after Jeanty and Hampton.

It's actually the opposite. WR group is weak up at that top, but very deep.

I believe that RB all the way to Skattebo would definitely help the cowboys but I hope they draft long before that.Id take either of the OSU backs and Caleb Johnson as well. My preference is Jeanty or Hampton Only Jeanty is worthy of the 12 and Im not certain hell be there.

I also think that any of the first round WR prospects would help us out immensely we have to have a weapon outside of Lamb were too easy to defend otherwise by good teams.. I think there are a few more that are good but they either have size or they have speed not too many with both.I like the kid from Miami Restrepo

hes a good route runner always gets open just not a burner. Id be ok with 1st or second pick being WR

JMO

 

[plasticman]

I hate to disagree. its not about which round they were from. its which rounds should they have been drafted. was Mazi really a 1st round talent? he was drafted in the first round, but clearly playes like a 5th rounder. was Schoonmaker a 2nd round talent? not really. everyone said he was over drafted. how about Guyton? who struggled at LT, having played RT in college and didn't make the transition.

its obvious more 1st rounders will make the team than 6th. they are just physically more talented or produced more in college etc. so its natural to see that across the NFL actually.

but its how you evaluate the talent and if they are truly talented for the round they got picked. the past two years have been bad drafts for cowboys. you have two bad drafts in a row and your team is going to

Yes, clearly the first two picks in the 2023 draft were reaches but you can't judge the entire roster by that one draft. You didn't have much to say about the previous draft when they took three future Pro Bowlers.

How many teams have drafted four 1st team All Pros in the past five drafts?

How many teams drafted 7 Pro Bowlers in the past 5 drafts, including two 4th round picks and a fifth rounder? They have a combined 14 Pro Bowls.

How many All Pros have the Eagles drafted in the past five seasons? Zero!

How many Pro Bowlers? 4 for a combined 7 Pro Bowls.

Granted, they have not formed a playoff team which is exactly my point. The Cowboys are at least as talented as the Eagles but lack the proper utilization, cohesiveness and chemistry. That is clearly on the management and health.

The Cowboys are like a car with really great parts, they are just the wrong parts.

 

[StarOfGlory]

And you haven't either. We don't know what Schotty is. Not sure anyone really does.

There's good news and bad news here.

Schotty's father had a knack for getting into the playoffs. Maybe the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

Schotty's father also has more first round playoff exits than any coach in NFL history. Hopefully the apple rolled far away from the tree. Tomlin could tie him for that record this year though.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Yes, clearly the first two picks in the 2023 draft were reaches but you can't judge the entire roster by that one draft. You didn't have much to say about the previous draft when they took three future Pro Bowlers.

How many teams have drafted four 1st team All Pros in the past five drafts?

How many teams drafted 7 Pro Bowlers in the past 5 drafts, including two 4th round picks and a fifth rounder? They have a combined 14 Pro Bowls.

How many All Pros have the Eagles drafted in the past five seasons? Zero!

How many Pro Bowlers? 4 for a combined 7 Pro Bowls.

Granted, they have not formed a playoff team which is exactly my point. The Cowboys are at least as talented as the Eagles but lack the proper utilization, cohesiveness and chemistry. That is clearly on the management and health.

The Cowboys are like a car with really great parts, they are just the wrong parts.

There is no way in hell anyone that knows anything about football can compare our team man for man and say that we are as talented as the Eagles.

Hurts over Dak. Period. He wins
Barkley alone is better than our entire RB room. Their #2, Shipley, showed he can play when needed.
CD and AJ are a wash at #1 WR
Smith is way better than any other receiver on our roster for #2
Neither team has an actual #3 that is better than average
The only o-lineman we have that would start on Philly is Smith, and that would be at RG. That's 4/5 positions.
Goedart is much better than any TE we have on the roster.

Edge--Parsons is better than anyone they have but overall they have better depth
DT--LOL. Jalen Carter is better than our entire DT room. Plus Jordan Davis is a stud run stopper.
LB--Baun just made 1st team AP. If he can replicate that, I'd take Philly's group.
CB--Tough one. I'm taking Mitchell and DeJean.
S--We take this one. I don't know who else Philly is rolling out now besides Blankenship. They probably draft a safety.

ST--We take this as well. Aubrey will eventually break the longest field goal record to boot.

Coaching--Sirianni is a dick. He's also been to two SB's in four years. I'm not arguing against success. Sirianni>>Schotty.

 

[gtb1943]

Yes, clearly the first two picks in the 2023 draft were reaches but you can't judge the entire roster by that one draft. You didn't have much to say about the previous draft when they took three future Pro Bowlers.

How many teams have drafted four 1st team All Pros in the past five drafts?

How many teams drafted 7 Pro Bowlers in the past 5 drafts, including two 4th round picks and a fifth rounder? They have a combined 14 Pro Bowls.

How many All Pros have the Eagles drafted in the past five seasons? Zero!

How many Pro Bowlers? 4 for a combined 7 Pro Bowls.

Granted, they have not formed a playoff team which is exactly my point. The Cowboys are at least as talented as the Eagles but lack the proper utilization, cohesiveness and chemistry. That is clearly on the management and health.

The Cowboys are like a car with really great parts, they are just the wrong parts.

we only have two great parts; arguably. Parsons and Aubrey
Smith is a step below them at this time but could move up

other than those two we have people that flash like Bland but that is all

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yes, clearly the first two picks in the 2023 draft were reaches but you can't judge the entire roster by that one draft. You didn't have much to say about the previous draft when they took three future Pro Bowlers.

How many teams have drafted four 1st team All Pros in the past five drafts?

How many teams drafted 7 Pro Bowlers in the past 5 drafts, including two 4th round picks and a fifth rounder? They have a combined 14 Pro Bowls.

How many All Pros have the Eagles drafted in the past five seasons? Zero!

How many Pro Bowlers? 4 for a combined 7 Pro Bowls.

Granted, they have not formed a playoff team which is exactly my point. The Cowboys are at least as talented as the Eagles but lack the proper utilization, cohesiveness and chemistry. That is clearly on the management and health.

The Cowboys are like a car with really great parts, they are just the wrong parts.

perhaps you wanted a year by year break down.
my expectations are that you draft viable starters that contribute highly in the first round with some turning all pros and probowlers. good starters in the second round, perhaps a year as back up, small contributor and then becoming a starter. 3rd rounders should be good starters long term...

that's the expectations. and I did mention when you miss two years in a row, the teams tend to suffer. so two years in a row our drafts have been not so good and it creates holes and when a team doesn't spend to bring in outside FAs, then its even worse.

perhaps a breakdown of the quality of the first rounders, second rounders and third rounders based on contribution and how good they are and where they rank among their position would be a better analysis. it will take a lot longer, will have some subjective aspects to it. mostly also because teams tend not to giver up on 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders as easily and as fast because it such a high investment. if it was up to me, Mazi would already be gone. but he is here for another 2 years at least. if Guyton doesn't show drastic improvement this year then he is clearly on the chopping block, but that won't happen.

again, two years in a row, our top 3 picks are just not good contributors. I can say, only real and consistent contributor has been Beebe. to me that's 1 out of 9. Has overshown shown potential? yes, but he has been injured more games than he has played. Tolbert isn't anything but 4th WR on a good team. again, based on current performance not projected future performance.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Don't agree. There's a huge dropoff after Jeanty and Hampton.

It's actually the opposite. WR group is weak up at that top, but very deep.

there is two WRs that are good, the rest I wouldn't touch until 4th round..... its deep in crap.

the RB group is deeper. Jeanty is special, but I would not want to spend any pick in the top 15 on a RB. an UDFA got a 1000 yards. if the coaches and GM wasn't stupid and worried about selling Jersey's then he would have been over 1200 yards....

now, Barkley is special. I get it....but KC won it last year without a top notch RB, they made it this year without a top notch RB. Philly won around the defense. it wasn't that they won because of barkley, they won because of defense.

I think drafting a RB in the second round, would get you a player good enough to make your running game a threat and you go from there. Jeanty is not the difference between cowboys being a superbowl team and not a superbowl team.

 

[plasticman]

perhaps you wanted a year by year break down.
my expectations are that you draft viable starters that contribute highly in the first round with some turning all pros and probowlers. good starters in the second round, perhaps a year as back up, small contributor and then becoming a starter. 3rd rounders should be good starters long term...

that's the expectations. and I did mention when you miss two years in a row, the teams tend to suffer. so two years in a row our drafts have been not so good and it creates holes and when a team doesn't spend to bring in outside FAs, then its even worse.

perhaps a breakdown of the quality of the first rounders, second rounders and third rounders based on contribution and how good they are and where they rank among their position would be a better analysis. it will take a lot longer, will have some subjective aspects to it. mostly also because teams tend not to giver up on 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders as easily and as fast because it such a high investment. if it was up to me, Mazi would already be gone. but he is here for another 2 years at least. if Guyton doesn't show drastic improvement this year then he is clearly on the chopping block, but that won't happen.

again, two years in a row, our top 3 picks are just not good contributors. I can say, only real and consistent contributor has been Beebe. to me that's 1 out of 9. Has overshown shown potential? yes, but he has been injured more games than he has played. Tolbert isn't anything but 4th WR on a good team. again, based on current performance not projected future performance.

I've used a formula in the past that was weighted and based on number of starts and number of games participated in addition to All Pro and Pro Bowls.

It went something like a player gets a point for every game they participated. They get two additional points for each game they started. They get one additional point for each game in a season that they made the Pro Bowl and a half point for each game when they were All-Pro.

I only go back as far as the 1994 season when they first started the 7 round drafts. There were times in the Cowboys history when the draft went as many as 20 rounds. For the ten seasons from 1967 to 1976, the draft was 17 rounds.

Imagine trying to make the team as an undrafted rookie when the draft was 17 rounds long. Towards the end of a 17 round draft teams were drafting track stars, basketball players, ,,,,,,future basketball coaches!

The Cowboys drafted former NBA HC Pat Riley in the 11th round of the 1967 draft. He was a flanker at Kentucky.

 

[plasticman]

There is no way in hell anyone that knows anything about football can compare our team man for man and say that we are as talented as the Eagles.

Hurts over Dak. Period. He wins
Barkley alone is better than our entire RB room. Their #2, Shipley, showed he can play when needed.
CD and AJ are a wash at #1 WR
Smith is way better than any other receiver on our roster for #2
Neither team has an actual #3 that is better than average
The only o-lineman we have that would start on Philly is Smith, and that would be at RG. That's 4/5 positions.
Goedart is much better than any TE we have on the roster.

Edge--Parsons is better than anyone they have but overall they have better depth
DT--LOL. Jalen Carter is better than our entire DT room. Plus Jordan Davis is a stud run stopper.
LB--Baun just made 1st team AP. If he can replicate that, I'd take Philly's group.
CB--Tough one. I'm taking Mitchell and DeJean.
S--We take this one. I don't know who else Philly is rolling out now besides Blankenship. They probably draft a safety.

ST--We take this as well. Aubrey will eventually break the longest field goal record to boot.

Coaching--Sirianni is a dick. He's also been to two SB's in four years. I'm not arguing against success. Sirianni>>Schotty.

That was last year.

The way the NFL has evolved, teams can improve or decline very quickly.

Dak and Hurts are even, so let the squawking begin. If it was necessary for Hurts to throw the ball 40 time a game then he would be out of the league by now.

The Cowboys top three receivers kicked the "K" out of the Eagles top three receivers in combined yardage and they were even in TD's.

Goedert and Ferguson have the same stats and Schoonmaker was very close to Calcatera's. Consider that the Cowboys quarterback for half the season was Cooper Rush.

The Cowboys young O-line has far more potential to improve than the Eagles. Their youngest starter is about the same age as the Cowboys oldest starter next season.

Is Barkley going to play another full season after a 2000 yard season? The odds are not in his favor. The average yards for a former 2000 yard rusher for their next season is 1079 yards. The Cowboys aren't going to come out of this draft without a at least one productive RB.

And what is the Eagles history when it comes to the season after going to a Super Bowl?

Since 2000, the Eagles had previously gone to three Super Bowls. The combined record of their seasons after a Super Bowl is 26-23.

The Eagles don't scare me. Injuries scare me more. Contract distractions scare me more.

No way the Eagles repeat last season's results.

 

[KingCorcoran]

That was last year.

The way the NFL has evolved, teams can improve or decline very quickly.

Dak and Hurts are even, so let the squawking begin. If it was necessary for Hurts to throw the ball 40 time a game then he would be out of the league by now.

The Cowboys top three receivers kicked the "K" out of the Eagles top three receivers in combined yardage and they were even in TD's.

Goedert and Ferguson have the same stats and Schoonmaker was very close to Calcatera's. Consider that the Cowboys quarterback for half the season was Cooper Rush.

The Cowboys young O-line has far more potential to improve than the Eagles. Their youngest starter is about the same age as the Cowboys oldest starter next season.

Is Barkley going to play another full season after a 2000 yard season? The odds are not in his favor. The average yards for a former 2000 yard rusher for their next season is 1079 yards. The Cowboys aren't going to come out of this draft without a at least one productive RB.

And what is the Eagles history when it comes to the season after going to a Super Bowl?

Since 2000, the Eagles had previously gone to three Super Bowls. The combined record of their seasons after a Super Bowl is 26-23.

The Eagles don't scare me. Injuries scare me more. Contract distractions scare me more.

No way the Eagles repeat last season's results.

They don’t have to repeat “last season’s results” to win the division. And Hurts is still developing. He’s only 20 months older than the Cowboys’ “developmental” quarterback, Joe Milton III.

But you’re right. The Cowboys don’t have to concern themselves with the Eagles. It’s the Giants they need to be scared of. The Eagles may not repeat as champions this season. The Cowboys are poised to be one of the ten worst teams in the league.