Which DFW team wins the next MAJOR TITLE?

[DFWJC]

There was discussion on the radio involving the Mavs and Cowboys and it got me thinking:

Of the four Major Pro Sports franchises in the DFW area, which one will win the next title?

 

[DFWJC]

Keep in mind the level of dificaulty to win in each sport.
For example, lower seeded teams win in football and baseball and hockey on a fairly regualr basis.
Both Green Bay and Pittsburgh won as wild card teams, for example. Baseball always seems to have a surprise.
Basketball has the least champions, as the very top teams almost always win.

It's a tough question...

 

[The30YardSlant]

Seeing as the Mavericks are probably too old to repeat, the Rangers seem like the easy answer. Both the Cowboys and Stars have a ways to go.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Rangers aren't likely to get back until they land an highly experienced ACE type pitcher that can set a calming presents in the bullpen. (meaning all pitchers, not just actual bullpen pitchers) Lee brought that to the table. Not only was Lee a great pitcher, but I think he had more value in the experience and effect he brought to the other pitchers. The closest we have right now is Colby Lewis and I think he is sort of a loner in the clubhouse. Lets not even discuss how screwed off the bullpen itself is. They were a strength last year. That isn't the case this year. Not to mention the Rangers offense is incredibly inconsistent right now and I think that has everything to do with the hitting coaches. They have now had three different ones since the playoffs last year. Obviously giving Bosley the hitting coach job was a huge mistake and it set the Rangers back quite a bit.

The Stars aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

The Mavs and the Cowboys have the best chance. Chandler will be back I'm sure, though Barea is surely gone. Considering how effective he is and he will want a starting job, and he just won a championship and was part of the reason why, someone is going to throw a pretty big check his way. Hopefully Roddy can step in and return to form though it didn't look like it once he returned from injury. Then you have Kidd, Terry, and Marion all a year older. (and you still don't know what is going to happen in the labor deal, they could be two years older once it's over)

The Cowboys *could* theoretically win next year. The talent is there, there is finally a good coaching staff in place, and everyone should be healthy when the season starts. Of course the NFL is one league you can't predict. Good teams end up being terrible and terrible teams end up making a run in the playoffs! The way you see it at the beginning of the season always gets turned on it's head at some point.

I say Cowboys slightly edge the Mavs, then Rangers, then Stars.

 

[DFWJC]

To me it's a almost a tossup between the Mavs, Cowboys, and Rangers.

Seeing that the Mavs have no votes, I'll give them one.

BTW, having 3 teams that we feel could be capable is pretty cool.

 

[baj1dallas]

The Mavs and the Cowboys have the best chance. Chandler will be back I'm sure, though Barea is surely gone. Considering how effective he is and he will want a starting job, and he just won a championship and was part of the reason why, someone is going to throw a pretty big check his way. Hopefully Roddy can step in and return to form though it didn't look like it once he returned from injury. Then you have Kidd, Terry, and Marion all a year older. (and you still don't know what is going to happen in the labor deal, they could be two years older once it's over)

I don't think Barea will start anywhere but I wouldn't be surprised if he did leave for greener pastures. I think he'd like to stay but the Mavs will have a hard time paying him anywhere near what he's worth, and like you say Roddy B should be able to fill in somewhat. I think otherwise they return everybody, plus you have Caron coming back which is basically like getting a free agent. I think the Mavs chance to repeat is better than the Cowboys chance of a superbowl, they're a playoff type team, but not championship caliber yet imo.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I don't think Barea will start anywhere but I wouldn't be surprised if he did leave for greener pastures. I think he'd like to stay but the Mavs will have a hard time paying him anywhere near what he's worth, and like you say Roddy B should be able to fill in somewhat. I think otherwise they return everybody, plus you have Caron coming back which is basically like getting a free agent. I think the Mavs chance to repeat is better than the Cowboys chance of a superbowl, they're a playoff type team, but not championship caliber yet imo.

Butler is a FA. I don't know if he will be back or not. The Mavs were actually trying to trade him during the season. The injury ended that. As for Barea, I think he can get a starting job. Hell, even Miami may offer him one. Miami is lacking both a real center and a point guard. (imo, the two most important positions on the court)

 

[Phoenix]

Total crapshoot. So I gave some love to the Stars because nobody else has.

 

[DFWJC]

Butler is a FA. I don't know if he will be back or not. The Mavs were actually trying to trade him during the season. The injury ended that. As for Barea, I think he can get a starting job. Hell, even Miami may offer him one. Miami is lacking both a real center and a point guard. (imo, the two most important positions on the court)

Yeah, it will be really tough to keep everyone here AND get younger.
I know there is a ton of interest in Chandler...which would be devasting.

Even if we keep everyone, they are going to want to find minutes for a very talented Dominque Jones, and certainly Roddy B too. Jones has some Terry in him offensively but is much bigger and a better SG defender.

Don't forget that the European league player that they got the rights to a couple fo years ago is now ready to come here too. I forgot his name...so I'll post later on his status. This was how the Spurs got Ginobli orginally, I believe. They drafted him a year or two before his contract was up. Anyway, I'd have to look more into the player to make an educated comment. The article called him a "star".

 

[YosemiteSam]

I know there is a ton of interest in Chandler...which would be devasting.

Chandler said during the Victory Party that he wants to return to Dallas for another run. Of course, we still have no idea what the new CBA will entail. Although, of all the FAs, I think Dallas will definitely go after him first. A real center is damn hard to come by. Miami didn't have one and the Mavs ate their lunch. When Miami beat the Mavs, they had Shaq and Alonzo Mourning and the Mavs had Dampier. Actually, the Heat had the Mavs center from 2006 and the tables turned.

I think Chandler's an automatic resigning for the Mavs. He is a vocal, a great locker room guy and gives them a real defensive presents at center. The Mavs cannot let him go.

 

[DFWJC]

Chandler said during the Victory Party that he wants to return to Dallas for another run. Of course, we still have no idea what the new CBA will entail. Although, of all the FAs, I think Dallas will definitely go after him first. A real center is damn hard to come by. Miami didn't have one and the Mavs ate their lunch. When Miami beat the Mavs, they had Shaq and Alonzo Mourning and the Mavs had Dampier. Actually, the Heat had the Mavs center from 2006 and the tables turned.

I think Chandler's an automatic resigning for the Mavs. He is a vocal pressents and gives them a real defensive presents at center. The Mavs cannot let him go.

Assuming a salary cap of 50 mil, and assuming the owners get a least part of thier wish of making it an even harder cap, they will have to make some moves.

I agree, Chandler is probably second only to Dirk in value to the team. He l loves it here, so hopefully we keep him.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Rangers aren't likely to get back until they land an highly experienced ACE type pitcher that can set a calming presents in the bullpen. (meaning all pitchers, not just actual bullpen pitchers) Lee brought that to the table. Not only was Lee a great pitcher, but I think he had more value in the experience and effect he brought to the other pitchers. The closest we have right now is Colby Lewis and I think he is sort of a loner in the clubhouse. Lets not even discuss how screwed off the bullpen itself is. They were a strength last year. That isn't the case this year. Not to mention the Rangers offense is incredibly inconsistent right now and I think that has everything to do with the hitting coaches. They have now had three different ones since the playoffs last year. Obviously giving Bosley the hitting coach job was a huge mistake and it set the Rangers back quite a bit.

The Stars aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

The Mavs and the Cowboys have the best chance. Chandler will be back I'm sure, though Barea is surely gone. Considering how effective he is and he will want a starting job, and he just won a championship and was part of the reason why, someone is going to throw a pretty big check his way. Hopefully Roddy can step in and return to form though it didn't look like it once he returned from injury. Then you have Kidd, Terry, and Marion all a year older. (and you still don't know what is going to happen in the labor deal, they could be two years older once it's over)

The Cowboys *could* theoretically win next year. The talent is there, there is finally a good coaching staff in place, and everyone should be healthy when the season starts. Of course the NFL is one league you can't predict. Good teams end up being terrible and terrible teams end up making a run in the playoffs! The way you see it at the beginning of the season always gets turned on it's head at some point.

I say Cowboys slightly edge the Mavs, then Rangers, then Stars.

The Cowboys are talented, but there are just too many new variables this year to expect a title.

 

[DFWJC]

The Cowboys are talented, but there are just too many new variables this year to expect a title.

True.
But the question was who will win the next one? The next one could be anywhere from 1-10 years from now.

 

[big dog cowboy]

:starspin

 

[ZeroClub]

IMO, chances are better that Dirk will get a second one in the next few years than any of the other Dallas franchises getting one in the next few years.

The Mavs have proven they can win it all. The current editions of the Cowboys and Stars haven't. The Rangers have an especially tough road (especially given financial inequities of MLB).

 

[YosemiteSam]

IMO, chances are better that Dirk will get a second one in the next few years than any of the other Dallas franchises getting one in the next few years.

The Mavs have proven they can win it all. The current editions of the Cowboys and Stars haven't. The Rangers have an especially tough road (especially given financial inequities of MLB).

The rumors surrounding the NBA CBA beg to differ. The Mavs payroll was $90M. The NBA is trying to set a $50M cap and make it hard unlike todays soft cap where Cuban just has to pay a $1 for $1 tax on every dollar over the cap.

If they do something like that, the Mavs will probably have to shave salary beyond what they are losing via FA already.

 

[ZeroClub]

The rumors surrounding the NBA CBA beg to differ. The Mavs payroll was $90M. The NBA is trying to set a $50M cap and make it hard unlike todays soft cap where Cuban just has to pay a $1 for $1 tax on every dollar over the cap.

If they do something like that, the Mavs will probably have to shave salary beyond what they are losing via FA already.

In an earlier post you said

I say Cowboys slightly edge the Mavs, then Rangers, then Stars.

IMO, the Cowboys have been the model of inconsistency during the past dozen years or so. Although it isn't difficult for fans (including myself) to imagine how everything could fall into place for this team, the team simply hasn't shown that they have what it takes to win a championship (especially the focus, poise).

Dirk has shown that he has what it takes to win it all. So I give Dirk & company the edge.

 

[YosemiteSam]

In an earlier post you said

IMO, the Cowboys have been the model of inconsistency during the past dozen years or so. Although it isn't difficult for fans (including myself) to imagine how everything could fall into place for this team, the team simply hasn't shown that they have what it takes to win a championship (especially the focus, poise).

Dirk has shown that he has what it takes to win it all. So I give Dirk & company the edge.

Wade is gone and we have a coach that demands accountability and hard work. I also think having a coach that doesn't always follow old coaching philosophies like Parcells will help too. Besides, right now this team has a lot of talent and I think Rob Ryan can hid the Cowboys defensive liabilities better than Wade can. Wade is another guy that couldn't seem to change. This is why we stayed with the same generic man-to-man coverage play after play even went we were getting killed by using it.

 

[DFWJC]

The rumors surrounding the NBA CBA beg to differ. The Mavs payroll was $90M. The NBA is trying to set a $50M cap and make it hard unlike todays soft cap where Cuban just has to pay a $1 for $1 tax on every dollar over the cap.

If they do something like that, the Mavs will probably have to shave salary beyond what they are losing via FA already.

This is true.
Keep in mind that any hard cap would include some sort of grandfather clause for existing contracts. Of course, that would not help us with Butler or Chandler...and may make possibly moving Haywood more difficult.

 

[Alweezy]

My vote is the Rangers mainly because they have proven that they have a championship caliber ball club, And have youth on their side.

Mavs are another year older.

Cowboys are another year older

Stars are not even in the conversation at this point.

that's my order, Rangers, Mavs, Cowboys, Stars