Which philosophy do you adhere to?

[Thefeelofcotton]

Do you believe the run sets up the pass, or does the pass set up the run? Explain why you feel that way.

I ask this because there are many varying opinions on which does which. Personally, I think that you run to set up the pass. I know this may seem like an "old school" way of thinking, but that's how I played football (and how I coach it) and I have been very successful sticking to that thought process. This also varies on the team you're playing against. If the team has a very strong front 7 but a weak secondary, obviously you will pass more. If you look at teams who consistently are competing for state/national titles, they are typically considered "pro style" offenses. The run and shoot, spread, and up tempo offenses which rely more on the pass are just a good way to hide lack of ability and talent in certain areas. The same could be said for the option based offenses too, just look at Georgia Tech and Navy. The teams that strictly run the option are few and far between compared to teams that run the spread. If you look at Ohio State vs Oregon for the national title in 2015 Oregon couldn't compete with Ohio State running the ball down their throat. Oregon's defense was exhausted by the end of the game where Ohio State's was pretty fresh because they weren't out on the field as much.

Also, if using the spread, and you're up by 21 (for example) very early in the game because of the quick hitting offense, it gives the other team time to catch up. Especially if they start to key on certain plays you run and force you into a bunch of three and outs. In addition when you get up by that many points you attempt to run the ball to drain the clock, only your team isn't built for that, so you struggle to gain any yards (leading to more 3 and outs) and the opposing team has a chance catch up. Whereas if you primarily run the ball (and are successful) you drain the clock, wear down the opposing defense, and keep your defense fresher. This translates to big success late in the game, and even in close games, where if you're driving down the field at will there is nothing the other team can do to score while you are on the field.

I am curious to see what is everyone's thoughts on this. Keep it civil, defend your argument and lets have a good debate.

 

[erod]

Pass sets up the run first usually. That's the way it was in the 90s.

But it can go either way, depending on the team and the specific game.

 

[onetrickpony]

Why does it have to be one or the other? Depending on the team and defense you are facing, it could be either.

 

[Fletch]

I'm for whatever works. It all boils down to execution and healthy bodies.

 

[bsheeern]

Every team is different.
Every situation is different.
Bottom Line you set your Gameplans Based on what you (Coaches) think gives Your Team the Best chance to Succeed and That includes adjustments.

 

[HellCrowe]

How our team is built it's the run that sets up the pass. Look at what happened in all those seasons when we couldn't run and had no OL. Romo who?

 

[Vanilla2]

How our team is built it's the run that sets up the pass. Look at what happened in all those seasons when we couldn't run and had no OL. Romo who?

What?????

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

How our team is built it's the run that sets up the pass. Look at what happened in all those seasons when we couldn't run and had no OL. Romo who?

Tony Romo. Chorizo Power.

Agree though. Our system is heavily dependent on a running game that slows the game down. Once that works the pass is opened up. The defense is not as tired.

 

[ringmaster]

Every team is different.
Every situation is different.
Bottom Line you set your Gameplans Based on what you (Coaches) think gives Your Team the Best chance to Succeed and That includes adjustments.

Yes every team defensively is different they face each week. Each team as we know has strengths and weaknesses to them some teams like to blitz, some like to play the run, and some teams like to play the pass if it's a team ala Seattle that has a very good coverage secondary the coaches may run the ball at them to set them up for the pass but as you mentioned whatever it takes to win games the coaches will take advantage of it.

 

[Sarge]

In this day and age and with the way the rules are, I'd much rather have a legitimate passing game than running game. Doing the opposite is not taking advantage of the rules of the game that have changed since the 1990's.

The bottom line is, you adjust your play calling to what the defense(s) are showing you.

 

[ringmaster]

Do you believe the run sets up the pass, or does the pass set up the run? Explain why you feel that way.

I ask this because there are many varying opinions on which does which. Personally, I think that you run to set up the pass. I know this may seem like an "old school" way of thinking, but that's how I played football (and how I coach it) and I have been very successful sticking to that thought process. This also varies on the team you're playing against. If the team has a very strong front 7 but a weak secondary, obviously you will pass more. If you look at teams who consistently are competing for state/national titles, they are typically considered "pro style" offenses. The run and shoot, spread, and up tempo offenses which rely more on the pass are just a good way to hide lack of ability and talent in certain areas. The same could be said for the option based offenses too, just look at Georgia Tech and Navy. The teams that strictly run the option are few and far between compared to teams that run the spread. If you look at Ohio State vs Oregon for the national title in 2015 Oregon couldn't compete with Ohio State running the ball down their throat. Oregon's defense was exhausted by the end of the game where Ohio State's was pretty fresh because they weren't out on the field as much.

Also, if using the spread, and you're up by 21 (for example) very early in the game because of the quick hitting offense, it gives the other team time to catch up. Especially if they start to key on certain plays you run and force you into a bunch of three and outs. In addition when you get up by that many points you attempt to run the ball to drain the clock, only your team isn't built for that, so you struggle to gain any yards (leading to more 3 and outs) and the opposing team has a chance catch up. Whereas if you primarily run the ball (and are successful) you drain the clock, wear down the opposing defense, and keep your defense fresher. This translates to big success late in the game, and even in close games, where if you're driving down the field at will there is nothing the other team can do to score while you are on the field.

I am curious to see what is everyone's thoughts on this. Keep it civil, defend your argument and lets have a good debate.

True about how Oregon didn't have any answers for Ohio St. that night at AT&T Stadium with the ground and pound and that it was able to keep Oregon's offense off the field with time of possession and that is what irks me about a hurry up spread offense like that of Oregon's and what Chippy had in Philly while those offenses score points in bunches really fast it put constant pressure on the defense to stop the other team which most of the time they couldn't from matching if not winning the game from behind.

 

[HellCrowe]

What?????

Oh damn, didnt know it was that hard to comprehend.

Ok, he had to pass more than we liked. It wasn't till we got our OL situated and our ground game working that it started coming together. Hence, in our offense the run sets up the pass. The run helps the defense guessing and keeps our QB upright more often.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

It's all about doing whatever you are doing, either run or pass, better than the defense is doing their jobs. You can run to set up the pass or vice versa. Both can work. Both can fail. I don't think there is one set way to win. Teams have done it both ways.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Do you believe the run sets up the pass, or does the pass set up the run? Explain why you feel that way.

I ask this because there are many varying opinions on which does which. Personally, I think that you run to set up the pass. I know this may seem like an "old school" way of thinking, but that's how I played football (and how I coach it) and I have been very successful sticking to that thought process. This also varies on the team you're playing against. If the team has a very strong front 7 but a weak secondary, obviously you will pass more. If you look at teams who consistently are competing for state/national titles, they are typically considered "pro style" offenses. The run and shoot, spread, and up tempo offenses which rely more on the pass are just a good way to hide lack of ability and talent in certain areas. The same could be said for the option based offenses too, just look at Georgia Tech and Navy. The teams that strictly run the option are few and far between compared to teams that run the spread. If you look at Ohio State vs Oregon for the national title in 2015 Oregon couldn't compete with Ohio State running the ball down their throat. Oregon's defense was exhausted by the end of the game where Ohio State's was pretty fresh because they weren't out on the field as much.

Also, if using the spread, and you're up by 21 (for example) very early in the game because of the quick hitting offense, it gives the other team time to catch up. Especially if they start to key on certain plays you run and force you into a bunch of three and outs. In addition when you get up by that many points you attempt to run the ball to drain the clock, only your team isn't built for that, so you struggle to gain any yards (leading to more 3 and outs) and the opposing team has a chance catch up. Whereas if you primarily run the ball (and are successful) you drain the clock, wear down the opposing defense, and keep your defense fresher. This translates to big success late in the game, and even in close games, where if you're driving down the field at will there is nothing the other team can do to score while you are on the field.

I am curious to see what is everyone's thoughts on this. Keep it civil, defend your argument and lets have a good debate.

 

[Craig]

Neither is correct. You need a balance in general but its dependent on situation.

 

[CF74]

Does the hook set up the jab or does the jab set up the hook? Bob and weave, slip and slide, duck and jive..

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I believe that it depends on what your opponent wants to do Defensively. If the DC is using a loaded box and it's difficult to run the ball, then the pass will set up the run. If the DC is trying to take away the passing game, then the run is going to set up the pass. Take what the Defense gives you and make them adjust. That is what I believe.

 

[erod]

But do punts set up the blitz?

 

[Idgit]

Neither sets up the other. A defense is susceptible to the run, or to the pass, or to both depending personnel, scheme, down and distance, and game situation. But it's the passing game that can do the most damage, regardless.

 

[Vintage]

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