Which Receivers Make the 53?

[speedkilz88]

Jalen Tolbert was a third round pick why would you think a 4th rounder is worth more than a third the fact is Tober had real numbers last year he produced that wide receiver 3 production and you think he's being pushed out because they you think they wasted a 4 ground pick wouldn't pushing Tolbert who was productive off this roster and he was a third round pick be worse like where is your mindset really?? What is Tolbert done your family did it did he do something like really bad to someone you know?lol

I don't know where you're at where your mind has been tolbert was close to being our wide receiver too before they made the trade for Pickens that's a fact his numbers last year were as good as almost all the free agents and or trades that were made for guys who some of y'all wanted here you know guys like Keenan Allen and Amari Cooper and Brandon Cooks along with go check Debo Samuel's numbers last year would you like to know that Tolbert's numbers were about as close maybe slightly better I mean we could go to Gallup where did Gallup do last year these are just some of the guys who have been moving around this year but his numbers 610 yards and seven touchdowns and 12.4 yards per catch and yeah he was one of the guys that beat Quinyan Mitchell last year he made some tough catches I believe he even made a game winner what game was it where Rico fumbled Prescott got the ball back on the next play through a touchdown to who tolbert he had seven touchdowns last year you think he's getting pushed off this roster by some people that have potential no we have the information we need the original poster is right those four guys are locks they are not leaving this team guaranteed..

It will be the rest of them you can have your mind all set on Mingo just because they gave a 4th round pick for him where is tray lance I just want to know where that other 4th round pick went that's right he's not here that is not going to be part of their decision making he will need to fight for one of those 2 spots tobert has no fight he is in the top 4 and he is a lock to make this team and that's not an opinion that's a fact the man is already been part of this offense and he's done enough I mean he's a head of Turpin as far as production goes on this team...

. Those are facts those are not opinions you think because Mingo they gave up before for him and have hope for him he's going to make this team over Tober is absolutely insanity he will not now Mingo is going to have to beat out a whole bunch of other guys... Ohh yes will he make the roster possibly because of his fourth maybe but it will be for number 5 or number six that's a fact guarantee keep a receipt i've been saying this all offseason why is everyone trying to push out Tobert when his numbers were very good last year compared to other number 3 receivers...
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Mingo was a 2nd round pick. Cowboys acquired him in trade for a 4th.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Where Tolbert may be in jeopardy of making the team is in a trade if they feel they can get better production out of Mingo, Campbell, etc. The guy is in his walk year, and I would assume there is a very low probability the Cowboys look to extend him. Hes the type of guy you might be able to flip for a 4th/5th round pick if guys further down the depth chart are looking good.

 

[jazzcat22]

The first five are easy. Add Mingo to the list. They aren't keeping either Holden or Cropper over him.

If they go with six then next up is Flournoy.

This is my 6 as well.

Cropper is a perennial PS guy. Gets hyped during TC, but does not make the 53. If he was going to make the 53, last season was his best chance. Campbell will make it over him.

Holden will be the choice of many, because he is a name form a top NCAA program, a team that was undefeated until they came up against Ohio State. He went undrafted for reasons. He will make the PS.

 

[jazzcat22]

Any chance Josh Kelly beats out CeeDee for WR#1?

 

[Pass2Run]

This is my 6 as well.

Cropper is a perennial PS guy. Gets hyped during TC, but does not make the 53. If he was going to make the 53, last season was his best chance. Campbell will make it over him.

Holden will be the choice of many, because he is a name form a top NCAA program, a team that was undefeated until they came up against Ohio State. He went undrafted for reasons. He will make the PS.

Bear in mind, Holden also played at Alabama.

He's no slouch. Overlooked, I think.

 

[blueblood70]

Mingo was a 2nd round pick. Cowboys acquired him in trade for a 4th.

How does that change anything I said we're talking about the Cowboys investment the man hasn't done a single thing in the NFL compared to Tolbert I mean somebody needs to lay off the wacky stuff..

Literally one player has 610 yards seven touchdowns at 12.4 yards per catch last year the other does NOT!!

one's a lock for this team, it's not even a debate, that wasn't even the question, most of you all can't even stay on point with what the original poster said those four guys are literal lock,

now who's the rest?

So here we go Tolbert has better production and the Cowboys invested more in him because they picked him with a 3rd round pick and he's been getting better every year you have another guy who's hanging off for dear like to prove he could be in the NFL and someone has a notion that tollbert's the one on the bubble no mingles on the bubble..

But hey if you want to add mingo to one of your other two if the cowards are keeping 6 that's fine but he's not pushing Tolbert off this roster,I don't get what people are missing here...

 

[blueblood70]

Bear in mind, Holden also played at Alabama.

He's no slouch. Overlooked, I think.

But isn't that why we're having this conversation literally they're going to have a fight to prove themselves in training camp this is literally what training camp was invented for you know to get players ready but also to see what players that you don't know a lot about they might surprise you there's going to be a surprise make this team at every level you know offense defense special teams so if you think this guy has something well we just need to stay tuned and watch we're going to have fun watching the battle for those last two spots..

Might be more fun for me this offseason with the running back room the bottom of the wide receiver room definitely at defensive tackle there's like wide open competitions for some of these players so I like it for fans we get to watch that let's see who wants it the most...

By the way we can't have this coaching staff be swayed by some dude who's a fourth round pick in Mingo that was used you know by the Cowboys it made him a lock to make this team he can't be wasting spots on this team because of hope I hope this coaching staff has more power than that if Mingo is a space waster and he doesn't do anything to impress them and he's not better that he needs to be booted down to the practice squad if he's not eligible booted off the team we gotta stop falling in love with pet cats and people want Tobert gone tolbert's one of the only wide receivers outside of Lamb and Pickens that have any real production in the nfl on this team at wide receiver...

It's beyond me the hate that Tolbert's getting lately the man almost was gonna end up our number two wide receiver I mean without the Pickens trade he was pushing for that spot so now we can't envision him at wide receiver three it's insane there's some haters in here that don't like Tolbert for some reason and he's the only one who's been getting better every year and has production real production back like 7 touchdowns like you can sneeze that lol .12.4 YPC and 600 yards says he makes this team 100%!!

 

[Pass2Run]

Mingo was a 2nd round pick. Cowboys acquired him in trade for a 4th.

That's right.

I don't hate Mingo. Not at all. I'm just looking to add another element and Mingo's skill set seems redundant for situations like San Fran where they sat on our receivers all game.

Pickens helps. I think Blue too. But I want an explosive offense, and a player who gets open. Speaking of Blue, he could be the guy. I just want another guy who can separate so you have that player, Blue and two bigger bodied receivers.

It just seems like a better fit because it would theoretically be tougher to defend.

 

[exciter]

The first four are easy: Lamb, Pickens, Tolbert, Turpin.

I think they likely keep six. So, which two on the current roster have a shot to make the initial 53. And why?

Personally, my two guys are Holden and Cropper.

Holden is fast, and plays like an NFL receiver. His top speed is in the 98th percentile. He's that guy who can make plays on slams or down the field. Not the best route runner, but he gets good separation. To me, Holden is just a better football player at this point. Maybe I'm sleeping on Flournoy, but I'm giving Holden the edge over Flournoy because he plays with that so-called dog in him.

Cropper has been my pet cat since before we acquired him. The guy can just play. He's a bit undersized, but his weight and speed helps him get separation, which is a big part of his game.

Im looking for guys who can separate for WRs 5 and 6.

Why?

Because you always play a few teams that have sticky corners and so you need players with a knack for getting open, which both Holden and Cropper do well.

Not only that, I really like what they can both do after the catch.

I also like these two just for the chemistry they bring. As players, they'd give us more flexibility to run more WCO stuff, which I hope is part of the plan.

I'm not worried about draft picks spent on a player if an UDFA is better. Just go with the better player.

Which WRs do you think makes the roster and why?

Eh,
Not exactly sure where you’re getting fast with Holden from. His official 4.57 40 put him in the 25th percentile… his 32” vertical 13th percentile was astonishing for a 6’2” WR.
What’s more, he plays slow for his timed speed, has limited short area burst, issues tracking the ball, fights the ball and slow to accelerate out of his breaks. There’s a reason he was ranked as a low priority UDFA. His paltry 2k signing bonus would indicate he was given a shot more as a favor from his college coach than any reasonable expectation of him even making the practice squad, much less the roster.

Cropper is a taller, less talented carbon of Turpin.
Keeping 2 WRs on the roster with the same limited skillset would be redundant. Considering they gave Turpin a 3 year 9m contract during the offseason would indicate they’re expectations of Cropper’s ability to play in this league, despite 2 seasons of development on the practice squad are limited!

 

[Pass2Run]

Eh,
Not exactly sure where you’re getting fast with Holden from. His official 4.57 40 put him in the 25th percentile… his 32” vertical 13th percentile was astonishing for a 6’2” WR.
What’s more, he plays slow for his timed speed, has limited short area burst, issues tracking the ball, fights the ball and slow to accelerate out of his breaks. There’s a reason he was ranked as a low priority UDFA. His paltry 2k signing bonus would indicate he was given a shot more as a favor from his college coach than any reasonable expectation of him even making the practice squad, much less the roster.

Cropper is a taller, less talented carbon of Turpin.
Keeping 2 WRs on the roster with the same limited skillset would be redundant. Considering they gave Turpin a 3 year 9m contract during the offseason would indicate they’re expectations of Cropper’s ability to play in this league, despite 2 seasons of development on the practice squad are limited!

I'm not talking about 40 time. Holden's max speed is 22.1 MPH. I'm just pointing out his athleticism, especially when he plays. He grades out in the 67th percentile when creating separation. It's not always about straight line speed. I look at receivers hips, knees ankles to judge their ability to get open. That's the name of the game.

Its just an element I'd like to see added to the offense. But the posters who say it will come down to special teams are correct.

Plus, Mingo very likely has a sizeable edge on the others because the draft pick.

 

[blueblood70]

This is my 6 as well.

Cropper is a perennial PS guy. Gets hyped during TC, but does not make the 53. If he was going to make the 53, last season was his best chance. Campbell will make it over him.

Holden will be the choice of many, because he is a name form a top NCAA program, a team that was undefeated until they came up against Ohio State. He went undrafted for reasons. He will make the PS.

I don't want to sit here and think the coaches are just going to write a guy in without the competition for me Mingo is not a lock I know they invested a 4th rounder in them but you can't have a new coaching staff do that there should be no easy pass he would have to be literally better than the 4 people he's competing with maybe five I'm sorry but the other 4 are obvious the rest of them it should be a wide open competition you should not be written in just because somebody gave a 4th for you recently that's the problem with this team in the past if he's not better he should not make the team...

 

[Stash]

The first four are easy: Lamb, Pickens, Tolbert, Turpin.

I think they likely keep six. So, which two on the current roster have a shot to make the initial 53. And why?

Personally, my two guys are Holden and Cropper.

Holden is fast, and plays like an NFL receiver. His top speed is in the 98th percentile. He's that guy who can make plays on slams or down the field. Not the best route runner, but he gets good separation. To me, Holden is just a better football player at this point. Maybe I'm sleeping on Flournoy, but I'm giving Holden the edge over Flournoy because he plays with that so-called dog in him.

Cropper has been my pet cat since before we acquired him. The guy can just play. He's a bit undersized, but his weight and speed helps him get separation, which is a big part of his game.

Im looking for guys who can separate for WRs 5 and 6.

Why?

Because you always play a few teams that have sticky corners and so you need players with a knack for getting open, which both Holden and Cropper do well.

Not only that, I really like what they can both do after the catch.

I also like these two just for the chemistry they bring. As players, they'd give us more flexibility to run more WCO stuff, which I hope is part of the plan.

I'm not worried about draft picks spent on a player if an UDFA is better. Just go with the better player.

Which WRs do you think makes the roster and why?

I’d say Mingo - due to the investment - and Paris Campbell.

Campbell has been a productive player in the past and has speed others don’t. I’ve also heard some good reports on him recently.

 

[blueblood70]

Eh,
Not exactly sure where you’re getting fast with Holden from. His official 4.57 40 put him in the 25th percentile… his 32” vertical 13th percentile was astonishing for a 6’2” WR.
What’s more, he plays slow for his timed speed, has limited short area burst, issues tracking the ball, fights the ball and slow to accelerate out of his breaks. There’s a reason he was ranked as a low priority UDFA. His paltry 2k signing bonus would indicate he was given a shot more as a favor from his college coach than any reasonable expectation of him even making the practice squad, much less the roster.

Cropper is a taller, less talented carbon of Turpin.
Keeping 2 WRs on the roster with the same limited skillset would be redundant. Considering they gave Turpin a 3 year 9m contract during the offseason would indicate they’re expectations of Cropper’s ability to play in this league, despite 2 seasons of development on the practice squad are limited!

This is all true but there are players who are football players that play better on the field than they do immeasurables guys like Miles Austin are you telling me that I bet you can find his old program or he probably didn't even attend a combine for you to have any data points if it wasn't for his hamstrings he would have been a pretty damn good nfl player that came out of nowhere...

I mean how do players like Puka Nikua fall that far down the draft boards because on the field he looks like a all pro but how did he fall that far down in the draft I can tell you because the draft can be wrong..

Sometimes football players or football players and when the light comes on they play better they play better on the field and there's a reason he's here mainly because of junior Adams I believe that's his name is there a wide receiver coach from Oregon he knows this kid well and there's a reason he's going to give him a shot because he knows better than us what this really looks like on the field, we call that a gamer..

I mean look at all the measurables Mingo has he was a second round pick and he's just a bust right now you can make all the excuses you want in the world with this man got measurable as he could jump out of a gym he's what every NFLGM wants at one of the wide receiver spots on the outside but what has he done?


Seeing guys like John Ross right I mean he's the poster boy for a super fast he can win at the combine every time just athletically gifted but it's not an NFL wide receiver he couldn't make it but there are other guys that are slower and can't jump as high from school hell even Jerry Rice didn't look that great coming out of college his measurables were not good but he could catch the football he can run routes if you can run a really good route and you know how to set your defender up you might be better than people think..


Don't get me wrong I'm not promoting this kid i'm just telling you please don't dismiss the measurables or people who don't have the measurables because we've seen both overcome it in the NFL we've seen the great ones on paper fail and some of the ones that shouldn't have been in the NFL play really well...

There's a lot of undrafted free agents in the Hall of Fame seriously that means nothing what all it matters is he gets a shot at training camp in practice and in the preseason games to to have the coaches take notice and he could take a spot from somebody..

 

[blueblood70]

I’d say Mingo - due to the investment - and Paris Campbell.

Campbell has been a productive player in the past and has speed others don’t. I’ve also heard some good reports on him recently.

You should not be allowed to make this team over an investment I understand what you're saying but I don't want that here with this coaching staff any more you can't take a spot away from somebody who's better than you so I'd rather it be an open competition for those final two spots I mean is it just me or is that just the old bad culture way of doing things you're just handing a guy a spot on the team even though he's not better than a guy that might get cut over a 4th round pick trey Lance is in here anymore... And yet we went out instead of keeping Trey Lance who we invested a 4th in and then invested another draft pick in another quarterback project it shouldn't matter you're either good enough to make the team or you're not....

That's not sending a good message to the team you allow people well we gave a 4th for him last year so we're just going to give him a spot ahead of you..

 

[exciter]

This is all true but there are players who are football players that play better on the field than they do immeasurables guys like Miles Austin are you telling me that I bet you can find his old program or he probably didn't even attend a combine for you to have any data points if it wasn't for his hamstrings he would have been a pretty damn good nfl player that came out of nowhere...

I mean how do players like Puka Nikua fall that far down the draft boards because on the field he looks like a all pro but how did he fall that far down in the draft I can tell you because the draft can be wrong..

Sometimes football players or football players and when the light comes on they play better they play better on the field and there's a reason he's here mainly because of junior Adams I believe that's his name is there a wide receiver coach from Oregon he knows this kid well and there's a reason he's going to give him a shot because he knows better than us what this really looks like on the field, we call that a gamer..

I mean look at all the measurables Mingo has he was a second round pick and he's just a bust right now you can make all the excuses you want in the world with this man got measurable as he could jump out of a gym he's what every NFLGM wants at one of the wide receiver spots on the outside but what has he done?


Seeing guys like John Ross right I mean he's the poster boy for a super fast he can win at the combine every time just athletically gifted but it's not an NFL wide receiver he couldn't make it but there are other guys that are slower and can't jump as high from school hell even Jerry Rice didn't look that great coming out of college his measurables were not good but he could catch the football he can run routes if you can run a really good route and you know how to set your defender up you might be better than people think..


Don't get me wrong I'm not promoting this kid i'm just telling you please don't dismiss the measurables or people who don't have the measurables because we've seen both overcome it in the NFL we've seen the great ones on paper fail and some of the ones that shouldn't have been in the NFL play really well...

There's a lot of undrafted free agents in the Hall of Fame seriously that means nothing what all it matters is he gets a shot at training camp in practice and in the preseason games to to have the coaches take notice and he could take a spot from somebody..

Not exactly sure either of these are a great example you think they are, Austin went to Monmouth. His measurables were outstanding at 6’2 215, 4.47 40, and a 40.7 vertical. He spent 3 seasons as a production kick returner, with only 20 receptions while learning to play receiver.
Nacua was picked exactly where his college production and injury history projected him to go.
He just so happened to go to the perfect system for his skillset!
It’s a lot easier to miss players coming out of Monmouth and even BYU than it is out of major programs.

Holden played for 2 major college programs. Outside of his size he has poor measurables.
His college production reflected those poor measurables. That’s kind of hard to miss!

 

[blueblood70]

Not exactly sure either of these are a great example you think they are, Austin went to Monmouth. His measurables were outstanding at 6’2 215, 4.47 40, and a 40.7 vertical. He spent 3 seasons as a production kick returner, with only 20 receptions while learning to play receiver.
Nacua was picked exactly where his college production and injury history projected him to go.
He just so happened to go to the perfect system for his skillset!
It’s a lot easier to miss players coming out of Monmouth and even BYU than it is out of major programs.

Holden played for 2 major college programs. Outside of his size he has poor measurables.
His college production reflected those poor measurables. That’s kind of hard to miss!

UMM what evs jeez.. So you're trying to make excuses for miles Austin you're saying he had all the measurables but he got lost at Monmouth well how about these guys how did they get noticed i'm pretty sure these schools are pretty obscure but also I'm just trying to understand you you're making excuses if he had all these measurables and he was that good why he had almost no stats as a wide receiver the 1st 3 years? Apparently measurables are nothing because he wasn't that good it took him three years just to figure it out and yes he turned out to be pretty good for an undrafted free agent but that's my point it doesn't matter if you could jump out of the gym and have good measurables sometimes guys with less measurables still can get noticed because better scouts and coaches can figure it out...

Larry allen went to Sonoma state lmao 2nd round

Jerry rice was slow and not eye popping out of Mississippi valley state but still a first rounder

TO-Chattanooga ??? 3rd round pick

Pretty sure they all went to obscure schools and they're all in the Hall of Fame now they all were picked in the draft pretty high for players going to obscure schools..

I'm just trying to make a point you don't know what's happening with Holden you don't you don't know his career I mean Tolbert was the third round pick and he's done more his first three years in miles often I don't remember where he went to college and what he did but people want him off the team and yet fans think they know everything they think Holden has no chance.... This remind want to remind people that Jerry Rice was pretty slow and went to an obscure school and somehow, they still picked him in the first round and in the rest is history I don't think his record's ever going to be broken...

So yes, there's arguments for both sides of it but just because a guy went undrafted doesn't mean anything it just doesn't nowadays guys get lost i've seen people be working at Home Depot and then got notice and then came to the N F L and became a star it happens..

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But make sure you don't write off holding there's a reason his Oregon wide receiver coach who's here now brought him here he believes he was good enough to bring on to this team....

 

[Stash]

You should not be allowed to make this team over an investment I understand what you're saying but I don't want that here with this coaching staff any more you can't take a spot away from somebody who's better than you so I'd rather it be an open competition for those final two spots I mean is it just me or is that just the old bad culture way of doing things you're just handing a guy a spot on the team even though he's not better than a guy that might get cut over a 4th round pick trey Lance is in here anymore... And yet we went out instead of keeping Trey Lance who we invested a 4th in and then invested another draft pick in another quarterback project it shouldn't matter you're either good enough to make the team or you're not....

That's not sending a good message to the team you allow people well we gave a 4th for him last year so we're just going to give him a spot ahead of you..

My statement wasn’t necessarily agreeing with giving a roster spot solely because of a draft investment, but I think it is an undeniable factor in decision making. Rookies often get a longer leash because of what was involved in drafting them, right or wrong.

 

[Jarntt]

Yup mingo is a lock with the draft capital invested in him

No, Mingo is a lock because Jerry kept telling everyone how good he was throughout the draft process when we were all wishing we had that 4th rounder.. .

 

[Jarntt]

When you are picking your backup WRs, Special Teams will absolutely play a big role. If a guy isn't likely to get game day snaps on Offense and he doesn't run down on kickoff and punt coverage teams he isn't likely making the team

 

[exciter]

UMM what evs jeez.. So you're trying to make excuses for miles Austin you're saying he had all the measurables but he got lost at Monmouth well how about these guys how did they get noticed i'm pretty sure these schools are pretty obscure but also I'm just trying to understand you you're making excuses if he had all these measurables and he was that good why he had almost no stats as a wide receiver the 1st 3 years? Apparently measurables are nothing because he wasn't that good it took him three years just to figure it out and yes he turned out to be pretty good for an undrafted free agent but that's my point it doesn't matter if you could jump out of the gym and have good measurables sometimes guys with less measurables still can get noticed because better scouts and coaches can figure it out...

Larry allen went to Sonoma state lmao 2nd round

Jerry rice was slow and not eye popping out of Mississippi valley state but still a first rounder

TO-Chattanooga ??? 3rd round pick

Pretty sure they all went to obscure schools and they're all in the Hall of Fame now they all were picked in the draft pretty high for players going to obscure schools..

I'm just trying to make a point you don't know what's happening with Holden you don't you don't know his career I mean Tolbert was the third round pick and he's done more his first three years in miles often I don't remember where he went to college and what he did but people want him off the team and yet fans think they know everything they think Holden has no chance.... This remind want to remind people that Jerry Rice was pretty slow and went to an obscure school and somehow, they still picked him in the first round and in the rest is history I don't think his record's ever going to be broken...

So yes, there's arguments for both sides of it but just because a guy went undrafted doesn't mean anything it just doesn't nowadays guys get lost i've seen people be working at Home Depot and then got notice and then came to the N F L and became a star it happens..

.
But make sure you don't write off holding there's a reason his Oregon wide receiver coach who's here now brought him here he believes he was good enough to bring on to this team....

Lol,
Exactly how do players taken in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd have anything to do with Austin or the fact that it’s easier to miss small school players.
Obviously their college production was hard to miss despite playing at smaller schools.

Jerry Rice had 301 rec , 4700 yards and 50 TDs. That’s fairly eye popping!
At the combine they didn’t have digital time then so every team ran their own watch. Most timed him between 4.48 and 4.52. That, despite no training how to run a sprint. Some teams tryed to create subterfuge hoping he would fall and timed him slower claiming as low as 4.6.
Around 10 years later at a dinner party someone who worked at his sports agency was asked if he was really slow and he sarcastically said “yeah, he ran a 4.7. That rumor was picked up by and NFL spoof company and it’s become pervasive but anyone who saw Rice play should easily determine it’s horse****!