Which safety do you choose?

Collins is 4,000 times better at coverage than Heath.
Go back and watch the 2nd game last season. Giants blitzed and tried to cover Beasley with Collins. Beasley juked him so badly his body didn't know which way to fall! He's horrible in coverage, always has been going back to Alabama!
 
LOL......Collins isnt better than Heath?

ahahahahahahaa!!!!!!! ahahahahaha!!!!!

thanks for the laugh.
Coverage has always been his weakness, going back to bama and he actually looks like he has regressed the last couple of years. Even if he was as you say, hes nowhere near 13m better!
 
I think our Safety needs to come from the Draft. I don't think we need to sign an expensive FA at Safety. I think that if we spend on Defense, it needs to be on the DL. JMO
 
There is a kid at Texas right now. Caden Sterns, true Freshman last year, Big 12 Freshman Of The Year and 1st Team All Big 12. I really like that kid.
 
Coverage has always been his weakness, going back to bama and he actually looks like he has regressed the last couple of years. Even if he was as you say, hes nowhere near 13m better!

Heath is about the worst safety I have ever seen.
 
Heath is about the worst safety I have ever seen.
You haven't watched Collins much then, he's a Roy Williams clone. You could get then same results a lot cheaper bring Barry Church back in!
 
There is a kid at Texas right now. Caden Sterns, true Freshman last year, Big 12 Freshman Of The Year and 1st Team All Big 12. I really like that kid.

Won't (necessarily) have to wait that long. Four really good safeties available in the 2020 class:

Grant Delpit, LSU
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Isaiah Simmons, Clemson
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Kenny Robinson, West Virginia
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Khaleke Hudson, Michigan
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LOL......Collins isnt better than Heath?

ahahahahahahaa!!!!!!! ahahahahaha!!!!!

thanks for the laugh.

Landon Collins
59 NFL games, 59 starts
329 tackles, 4 sacks, 32 passes defended, 8 INT, 1 TD, 3 forced fumbles
Awards/honors: 3 time Pro Bowler, 1 time All Pro

Jeff Heath
93 NFL games, 41 starts
282 tackles, 0 sacks, 17 passes defended, 8 INT, 0 TD, 5 forced fumbles
Awards/honors: Cowboys Zone Imaginary Legend
 
So tackling efficiency & coverage in the flat is meaningless for you?
No. But the functional difference in an "upgrade" from Heath to whoever is. Collins can't cover, and I'm not sure who these safeties who never miss tackles are that you seem to be referring to.
 


I’ll take LC- young and we can get him learning with richard- dude is a playmaker on defense. Woods has been way better than suitable as our FS.

pass on ET unless he is willing to sign for veteran minimum....older, done in seattle, coming off a broken leg in mid season.

I am not sure about Collins...is he really that much better? how much will he cost?
 
No. But the functional difference in an "upgrade" from Heath to whoever is. Collins can't cover, and I'm not sure who these safeties who never miss tackles are that you seem to be referring to.

I believe this is up-gradable position outside of ET & Collins.

 
I believe this is up-gradable position outside of ET & Collins.


Sure. What player are you going to sign who makes so many more tackles that there's an actual impact on the defense? There's no difference between a guy who misses 21 tackles per year and 16.
 
Won't (necessarily) have to wait that long. Four really good safeties available in the 2020 class:

Grant Delpit, LSU
grant-delpit-7190_rs1.jpg

Isaiah Simmons, Clemson
636449436592476636-1028-Clemson-Ga-Tech-3421.JPG


Kenny Robinson, West Virginia
WVU-football-0918-Kenny-Robinson-and-Derrek-Pitts-front-524x400.jpg


Khaleke Hudson, Michigan
636666487546129883-2017-1104-dg-UM0667.jpg


I don't like any of those guys better then I like that kid at Texas. I mean, if I'm going to spend a high pick, I'd rather spend it on somebody that I think has a chance to be special. I just like Sterns better.
 
Excellent post. Your central thesis is really what I was trying to say, but you did sooooo much better. We don't know exactly what was supposed to happen. In hind-sight, it seems to me Heath should've played Goff because the TE was blocking down, but who's to say the TE wasn't just supposed to chip and then leak out to a pattern to give Goff an option, but got too tangled with Crawford and couldn't. It's why I'd love to be a fly on the wall when they do film review with the players and team after games to know what was supposed to happen and why it did or didn't.

From the offense's point of view, the TE should continue blocking a lineman unless/until the person covering him rushes the QB. He occupies two defenders that way.

From the defense, Heath has got to engage the TE or rush Goff. Standing there is a tactical loser. This has to be determined *pre-snap*. Heath has got to line up to immediately engage the TE, or blitz.

The lineman being blocked has to be part of this game. If Heath blitzes, the lineman should do his best to keep the TE engaged and prevent him from going out for a pass.

I'd really like to hear the explanation on this, because someone screwed up, whether the coaches or Heath. Maybe both.

We failed with the pre-snap tactics. It's just a loser to stand and watch the TE block a lineman, whether or not the QB is running to escape the pocket. Unless, in fact, you really *plan* to blitz, and are waiting for the TE to engage to do it.

Coaches? Heath?

And then just as a general case, you're in man coverage and the QB breaks contain and scrambles toward the sidelines. Are you supposed to take the QB or stick on your man?

Given the short distance to the QB and the engagement of the TE in blocking, Heath should have blitzed. Goff would have had no chance.

But was that his assignment? Was that how he was coached? I dunno.

It's a massive screw up either way. That's why it's so hard to decide. Heath consciously got his assignment entirely wrong, or they gave him a really bad assignment in the first place. Both seem very unlikely, and hard to believe, but it's one or the other.

The most natural blame falls on Heath, but he's our most veteran DB, and supposed to be one with high football IQ coming into the league, let alone with years of experience. His failing is mainly lateral agility.
 
I can't remember specifically who it was...

But they talked about how the Cowboys got burned on that play with a playaction to the TE out of that same formation and the Rams had run like 4 plays out of it. There is no doubt that Heath's assignment was man coverage on the TE. The Cowboys either ignored the threat of a Goff run (which kind of makes sense), OR gave Heath 2 responsibilities. Either way, that's a failure on the coaches, not on Heath. They weren't having him play zone coverage in the flats.

I don't think we can absolve Heath without knowing what his assignment was. When you're supposed to man cover a TE, part of that assignment should be dealing with the contingency of the TE pass protecting, and the right answer is not to stand there and watch him block.

We can't tell from observing the play whether Heath gave the wrong answer because that's the answer the coaches gave him to give, or whether they gave him the right answer and Heath just got it wrong.

I'd note the beauty of what the Ram's did. Make the defender make a choice. Put him in doubt. That's what both offenses and defenses should be designed to do. That's what I just don't think Garrett gets. Perhaps Marinelli too.
 

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