Whitlock Thinks Goodell Is Out Of Control

if I had any doubt Vilma was screwing up (and I don't) Whitlock supporking him pretty much removes it.
 
lol, lets just let all the teams have bounties, get arrested, and just do whatever they want at the detriment of the league. That's the right way to run a business.
 
Whitlock's argument is bull****.

Because Vilma's playing window is much more limited than other key contributors windows in their respected profession, he should get a lesser punishment?

Furthermore, his commentary on "following orders" holds little weight with me.

I have yet to see anything that said that Loomis or Payton ordered the bounties. I don't even think Williams did. He damn sure was the ring leader but he wasn't giving directives under an umbrella of potential punishment for dissenting opinion. Loomis and Payton simply turned a blind eye.

From what I read when this first broke, wasn't it Vilma who threw money on the table as payment to the guy who took out whatever player?

Sorry Whitlock, telling someone they get 10K in cash for injuring someone is just a step below threatening reprimand for not following an order.

Last July, in the aftermath of Pittsburgh linebacker James Harrison's anti-Goodell rant in Men's Journal magazine, I wrote about Steelers-James-Harrison-remarks-on-Roger-Goodell-over-the-top-but-understandable-071311">the foolishness of Goodell electing himself as the front man for the NFL's player-conduct policy and crackdown on dangerous hits.

Sorry Whitlock. Roger was elected and then re-elected unanimously by the 32 guys who own the league. Furthermore, his duties as defined by the previous CBA are what put him as the front man on player-conduct, in addition to the fact that players specifically asked him to clean up the league.

Goodell wants us — media, fans, players, coaches, executives — to blindly trust that his motives are pure and just. No way. Trust the man/woman who tells you to solely trust his/her level of transparency and his/her willingness to have his/her actions vigorously questioned and reviewed.

So what are you suggesting? His motives are not pure and just? This reminds me of the perception of cops by the general population. Always seems to be those who have run-ins with the cops who think they are all crooked. Just coincidental I suppose. Not that Whitlock has had run-ins with Goodell so the analogy isn't without it's flaws but the fact that he's taking the victimized players side puts him in close enough proximity.

Even if he got caught up in the bounty culture fostered by the Saints' leaders, does Vilma deserve that, a suspension far more punitive than the one received by Payton?

Hell, no. I hope Vilma wins his defamation lawsuit or Goodell is forced in a court of law to reveal the evidence that justifies such harsh punishment.

Sean Payton didn't pay anyone, did he? That's the difference. Plain and simple, Vilma put a price on someone's livelihood and to a certain extent their life. Why do you think Gregg Williams is getting the most severe punishment right now? He might never coach again. Where's the defense Whitlock? The closer you are to the ugliness of the situation, the more severe your punishment will be. Williams was the ring leader and it appears as though Vilma was the most responsible of the players.

As far as evidence goes, guess what........it isn't needed. Even if it didn't exist, he is an employee of the NFL and his representatives have agreed to punishments at the commissioners discretion. There is no guarantee of fairness, in fact I suggest you not even look for it because the punishments IMO are largely perception based. But that's the nature of the game and those are the rules they agreed to play under.

I think Whitlock puts out some good material and he's often well spoken but I can't agree with this article.

What evidence are people expecting to see? All the information was based on player accounts and admittance of partaking.

Vilma is getting what he has coming.
 
Hoofbite;4565460 said:
Whitlock's argument is bull****.

Because Vilma's playing window is much more limited than other key contributors windows in their respected profession, he should get a lesser punishment?

Furthermore, his commentary on "following orders" holds little weight with me.

I have yet to see anything that said that Loomis or Payton ordered the bounties. I don't even think Williams did. He damn sure was the ring leader but he wasn't giving directives under an umbrella of potential punishment for dissenting opinion. Loomis and Payton simply turned a blind eye.

From what I read when this first broke, wasn't it Vilma who threw money on the table as payment to the guy who took out whatever player?

Sorry Whitlock, telling someone they get 10K in cash for injuring someone is just a step below threatening reprimand for not following an order.



Sorry Whitlock. Roger was elected and then re-elected unanimously by the 32 guys who own the league. Furthermore, his duties as defined by the previous CBA are what put him as the front man on player-conduct, in addition to the fact that players specifically asked him to clean up the league.



So what are you suggesting? His motives are not pure and just? This reminds me of the perception of cops by the general population. Always seems to be those who have run-ins with the cops who think they are all crooked. Just coincidental I suppose. Not that Whitlock has had run-ins with Goodell so the analogy isn't without it's flaws but the fact that he's taking the victimized players side puts him in close enough proximity.



Sean Payton didn't pay anyone, did he? That's the difference. Plain and simple, Vilma put a price on someone's livelihood and to a certain extent their life. Why do you think Gregg Williams is getting the most severe punishment right now? He might never coach again. Where's the defense Whitlock? The closer you are to the ugliness of the situation, the more severe your punishment will be. Williams was the ring leader and it appears as though Vilma was the most responsible of the players.

As far as evidence goes, guess what........it isn't needed. Even if it didn't exist, he is an employee of the NFL and his representatives have agreed to punishments at the commissioners discretion. There is no guarantee of fairness, in fact I suggest you not even look for it because the punishments IMO are largely perception based. But that's the nature of the game and those are the rules they agreed to play under.

I think Whitlock puts out some good material and he's often well spoken but I can't agree with this article.

What evidence are people expecting to see? All the information was based on player accounts and admittance of partaking.

Vilma is getting what he has coming.
Very nice summary. Vilma is wasting his time and money in my opinion...
 
You gotta give Vilma credit....this is a smart move. Don't get me wrong. I do not read Whitlock any more. He is biased to the nth degree, and a racist. I already wrote in to Fox Sports about his negative views.

Anyway.....
Vilma knows he cannot win, do you really think the NFL would have come out with that discipline without substantiated backup?? I doubt it...Vilma is looking to expose the "rat" or "rats" who squealed, period. He's trying to put Goodell behind the 8 ball.
 
bklyn1028;4565604 said:
You gotta give Vilma credit....this is a smart move. Don't get me wrong. I do not read Whitlock any more. He is biased to the nth degree, and a racist. I already wrote in to Fox Sports about his negative views.

Anyway.....
Vilma knows he cannot win, do you really think the NFL would have come out with that discipline without substantiated backup?? I doubt it...Vilma is looking to expose the "rat" or "rats" who squealed, period. He's trying to put Goodell behind the 8 ball.

Credit for what?

If he's under the assumption he can't win, he's simply making a big show out of spite so he can smear someone's name because they didn't adhere to the "street code" and answered questions honestly.

A lot of those guys who talked probably aren't set for life and lying to the NFLPA and the NFL pretty much all but guarantees they won't get another job in the league ever again.

Vilma is behaving like a butt hurt idiot. Screamin' A. Smith called him on it hard the other day and said that the entire world knew the punishment was coming and on the advice of Vilma's lawyer, Vilma declined to attend a meeting with Goodell when they were discussing the situation. Smith basically said that his livelihood was on the line and any man innocent or any man who believes he is innocent would jump at the opportunity to clear the air.

I don't think Goodell has to reveal any names. Certainly not to the public.
 
Hoofbite;4565611 said:
Credit for what?

If he's under the assumption he can't win, he's simply making a big show out of spite so he can smear someone's name because they didn't adhere to the "street code" and answered questions honestly.

A lot of those guys who talked probably aren't set for life and lying to the NFLPA and the NFL pretty much all but guarantees they won't get another job in the league ever again.

Vilma is behaving like a butt hurt idiot. Screamin' A. Smith called him on it hard the other day and said that the entire world knew the punishment was coming and on the advice of Vilma's lawyer, Vilma declined to attend a meeting with Goodell when they were discussing the situation. Smith basically said that his livelihood was on the line and any man innocent or any man who believes he is innocent would jump at the opportunity to clear the air.

I don't think Goodell has to reveal any names. Certainly not to the public.

YOu're right, i know that, all i'm saying is the only way to "expose" whoever blew the whistle would be in court, if it ever gets there, just my opinion. I think Vilma is a low-life for not accepting his punishment like a man. He did it, he should fess up to it, period. I hate that team!
 
burmafrd;4565387 said:
if I had any doubt Vilma was screwing up (and I don't) Whitlock supporking him pretty much removes it.

In a nutshell...
 
Rogah;4565395 said:
Goodell is essentially employed by the 32 men who own NFL franchises. If he is "out of control" it is only because they have delegated him the authority to do what he is doing.

If he was out of control, the owners would remove him... realizing they haven't, and have no intention of doing so in the foreseeable future, should be your first clue that he's doing exactly what they want him to do...
 
Not saying I agree or disagree with Whitlock, but what I will say is that ANYTIME there is an issue that involves an african-american versus a caucasian he will ALWAYS side with the african-american regardless of how outrageous the issue. Even when he doesn't mention race in his articles (which is rare) the footprints are there.
 
The30YardSlant;4566657 said:
Not saying I agree or disagree with Whitlock, but what I will say is that ANYTIME there is an issue that involves an african-american versus a caucasian he will ALWAYS side with the african-american regardless of how outrageous the issue. Even when he doesn't mention race in his articles (which is rare) the footprints are there.
Whitlock's writings do, in fact, represent racially skewed propensities, no matter how he may try to spin it. And I say that having read his pro-white athlete blog offerings along the way, appreciating that he makes an effort to try to see all sides ... sometimes.

His professional goal is to be controversial, for readership, — he'd prefer to spin it as being "edgy and thought provoking" — but as you say, "Even when he doesn't mention race in his articles (which is rare) the footprints are there."
 

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