Who is this Player?

[Nors]

All-time Major League record for most career hits:
4,256
All-time Major League record for most games played:
3,562
All-time Major League record for most at bats:
14,053
All-time Major League record for most singles:
3,215
All-time Major League record for most total bases by a switch hitter:
5,752
All-time Major League record for most seasons of 200 or more hits:
10
All-time Major League record for most consecutive seasons of 100 or more hits:
23
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 600 or more at bats:
17
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 150 or more games played:
17
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 100 or more games played:
23
Only player in Major League history to play more than 500 games at five different Positions:
1B (939) 2B (628) 3B (634)
LF (671) RF (595)
Major League record for playing in the most winning games:
1,972
All-time National League record for most years played:
24
All-time National League record for most consecutive years played:
24
All-time National League record for most career runs:
2,165
All-time National League record for most career doubles:
746
All-time National League record for most games with 5 or more hits:
10
Modern National League record for longest consecutive game hitting streak:
44
Modern National League Record for most consecutive game hitting
streaks of 20 or more games:
7

 

[Hostile]

Peter Edward "Pete" Rose.

 

[Rampage]

ichiro will break this one

All-time Major League record for most seasons of 200 or more hits:

 

[Nors]

I am of the Pete Rose on betting should not be in - yet also feel there are murderers, racists, drug addicted, sex, alcohol addicted in the Hall. Yet Pete Rose one of the greatest ever players will never be and he had a gambling addiction.


Question I have is, did Pete Rose ever throw a game or bet against his team? I doubt he ever did.

You would need to get 200 hits for 22 seasons to break Rose's record. In my lifetime I have never seen a player play all out like Pete did.

Shame - sometimes the Hall should be for great baseball players and let god decide who the good one's are. But after Black Sox - baseball needed to take a stand. I'm torn on this debate. Pete Rose was one of the all time greats, there is a Wall at Cooperstown that has all time leaders, and you walk away going WOW. Pete Rose is all over that list, many times at #1. To me the eternal Pete Rose fan, thats all that matters.

 

[Hostile]

There is a murderer in the Baseball Hall of Fame?

Who?

 

[Nors]

There is a murderer in the Baseball Hall of Fame?

Who?

I should make that alleged murderer- but not much dispute to the evilness of this one and the murder accusations are mostly agreed upon by historians of that era.

"Completely uncompromising in a way that films, especially sports films, just aren't, Ron Shelton's Cobb is one of the most effective hagiographies in film history not for the way that it elevates its subject to sainthood, but for the way that it allows its subject to be one of history's most notorious, relentless miscreants. A malcontent in every measurable way, Ty Cobb--habitual spousal abuser, virulent racist, sadist (Cobb sent twelve men to the hospital one season), alcoholic, braggart, trigger-happy pistol-brandisher, alleged murderer, and so on--also happens to be the best baseball player in the history of the game."

 

[DallasCowpoke]

Question I have is, did Pete Rose ever throw a game or bet against his team? I doubt he ever did.

Rose lied for years about the betting, but somehow you'd take him at his word he didn't "manipulate a game" even one single time, even when/if he knew it would cost him $? Yea, right!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Pete Rose has been investigated more then probably any player in the history of the game. While it is true that he bet on baseball, there is no evidence that he ever bet against his team.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Rose deserves to be in the HOF.

It's not like there are nothing but angels in there.

 

[Nors]

Modern day example - Andy Petitte Apologized and was remorseful on HGH Steroids. Bonds/Clemons deny it. They are looked at vastly different.

Rose probably would have been best served back when this happened to have said, I have a gambling problem, I apologize but I NEVER threw a baseball game.

At this point he will never get in and die. But his memorial will always be that big wall at the end of exhibit. Most Hits, Most games played, Most Singles on and on and on. His name is so predominate on that wall that many around me all commented, geez Pete Rose is all over this wall.

You can deny him his place Cooperstown, but he belongs to be with all the greats. In my lifetime he epitomized to me the greatest baseball competitor I ever saw on the field. No one ever played the game harder than Pete Rose.

 

[burmafrd]

Rose is so stubborn that he will never give what the sob sisters want to hear. Cooperstown has all sorts of bad types in it- frankly so does Canton.
I keep hearing how only what happened on the field matters (which is a crock since why else is Bob Hayes not in the HOF) so unless someone can show that Pete threw a game (and despite a whole lot of people looking real hard now for years no one can come up with an example) he should be in.

 

[joseephuss]

I don't know if what Pete Rose has done should keep him out of the HoF. If they really feel that gambling is that bad of a thing, then yes he should not be allowed in. I just don't necessarily agree with that cut and dry stance.

The guy obviously is deserving for his accomplishments on the field. I doubt that the guy never bet against his own team. He was investigated, but it is difficult to find out all the details years after they happened. He was probably gambling as a player, but how do you track things like that.

I also would not be surprised if Rose did steroids. He was a fierce competitor who played for quite a long time. There were steroids around at that time and some could have found their way to a MLB player or two. Look at the size of his head. It's huge.

We will never know the whole story of Pete Rose. Even if we did, is that enough to keep him out of the HoF? For some it is and for some it is not.

 

[Garland powerplay]

Charlie Hustle should be in for what he did on the field.

 

[Doomsday]

Rose not getting in isnt about the severity or morality of gambling it is about the integrity of the game. Look at what the NBA is going through right now, does anyone really believe beyond a doubt that Donaghy was the only one affecting the outcome of games? How can fans have faith in a sport when you question the validity of the results.

 

[CowboyWay]

There is a murderer in the Baseball Hall of Fame?

Who?

Like another poster said. Cobb. Beat up a couple guys who he said tried to mug him on the way to the ballpark, he pistolwhipped and killed one of them, then with a sprained wrist, or broken hand, continued onto the ballpark and went 3 for 4 that day.

If any of you have never read "Cobb", by Al Stump, I highly recommend it. And don't cheat and watch the movie. The movie doesn't cover 1% of what this guy did. He was literally a psychopath, who also happened to be the greatest baseball player who ever lived.

Some of the stuff he did was crazy. Wherever he went, carnage soon followed. He absolutely would not concede to any man, no matter what. It was Cobbs world, and he let you know it.

In the top 2 or 3 books I've ever read, and defintely the best baseball biography I've ever read.

 

[Nors]

Just Cobb being Cobb!