Who is trading up? And for what

[darthseinfeld]

We get flooded with trade down mocks, and "we should trade down" comments. Rarely with any real scenario. Begs the question, where are our real trade down opportunities?

We seem interested in DE's, WR's and CB's, so I dont think teams moving up for those positions will be likely. We are more likely to just draft a gut like Williams, Tet or Johnson than trading down with a team that wants to. There are scenario's where that could happen though. Ex: A team wants Tet but we have Golden/Egbuka higher. Its not something I would count on though

Most likely to me would be OT's. Simmons being the guy that teams could target. Campbell and Membou will likely be gone, and when healthy Simmons is a better prospect than both. With a good medical prognosis I could see 12 being a spot with some interest for him. Campbell and Membou would obviously be in the equation too if they drop. Banks probably not. His best position maybe inside. I dont see a team wanting to give up picks to move on an interior OL

QB is possible, but its tough. I think Dart would be the most likely target, but Sanders falling is possible. Wouldn't count that as a likelihood though. However I think the real question is who is trading up for a QB? The only likely awnser I could give in the 1st is Pittsburgh, and they would have to give up a 2026 1st since they dont have a 2nd rounder. The chart value would be a 2025 2nd and a 5th. If they did a 3rd and 4th they would be woefully short (226 out of a 400 point value) . So a 2026 1st would be likely. After Pittsburgh, a trade down with a QB needy team likely drops us to the 2nd.

Two guys that could be wild cards are Malaki Starks and Jalon Carter. Starks stock seems to have cooled some, but it could rise again as teams start doing individual workouts. I dont think he would be a target for us. Carter may or may not fall to us. And could or could not be a target for us. But Id still have him as a wildcard here. He may not fit what we are looking for.

So those are my trade down scenarios

 

[J-man]

I agree a trade down this year is more unlikely than likely. There just aren't enough top flight guys to make the needles move enough for a team to give up draft capital in a deep middle draft.
As you said it could happen if a certain team wants a certain player but I just don't see it as likely.

I don't think they would consider Starks at 12.

And I assume you're talking about Jaylon Walker, not Abdul Carter. He will be long gone by 12.
But assuming Jaylon is available I think we would turn in our card for him.
Unless some team got crazy and offered a great deal to move back a few spots, which again, I don't think is likely. But it would have to be a great deal because I think he's one of the best players in this draft class. He and Micah playing together as floating hybrid DE/LBs would be a menace to opposing offenses. And if Overshown comes back fully healthy, wow that could be freakishly good.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I agree a trade down this year is more unlikely than likely. There just aren't enough top flight guys to make the needles move enough for a team to give up draft capital in a deep middle draft.
As you said it could happen if a certain team wants a certain player but I just don't see it as likely.

I don't think they would consider Starks at 12.

And I assume you're talking about Jaylon Walker, not Abdul Carter. He will be long gone by 12.
But assuming Jaylon is available I think we would turn in our card for him.
Unless some team got crazy and offered a great deal to move back a few spots, which again, I don't think is likely. But it would have to be a great deal because I think he's one of the best players in this draft class. He and Micah playing together as floating hybrid DE/LBs would be a menace to opposing offenses. And if Overshown comes back fully healthy, wow that could be freakishly good.

Yes, Walker is who I meant

 

[baltcowboy]

There are plenty teams that would rather draft at 12 then 17, 18, 20, ect. It all depends on how many players we actually like. If Dallas stays at 12 it will be because they really like a player over the others that are left.

 

[darthseinfeld]

There are plenty teams that would rather draft at 12 then 17, 18, 20, ect. It all depends on how many players we actually like. If Dallas stays at 12 it will be because they really like a player over the others that are left.

Who do you see as players teams would want to move up for?

I think some of the guys teams would be interested in like Mykel Williams and Will Anderson, are guys we would just prefer to draft. Guy at those positions we have shown interest in like Tet, Golden and Shemar Stewart are guy I could see them feeling 12 is a little rich for

 

[Hawkeye0202]

You exchanged several posts with me that it was " highly unlikely" that the Cowboys would trade down. What changed???

 

[Creeper]

There are plenty teams that would rather draft at 12 then 17, 18, 20, ect. It all depends on how many players we actually like. If Dallas stays at 12 it will be because they really like a player over the others that are left.

It depends on what they have to give up to move up though. I think this year the demand will be enough to justify the traditional pick value. Trading down for less than the pick value would be dumb. It's trading down just for the sake of trading down.

 

[darthseinfeld]

You exchanged several posts with me that it was " highly unlikely" that the Cowboys would trade down. What changed???

So does mean I cant post a thread asking for actual scenario's where a team may want to trade with Dallas. Im actually asking people like you for for a real scenario as opposed to the empty "trade down to wherever, get pick". Did you read the actual post?

Nothing changed. I still see a trade down as very unlikely

 

[cnuball21]

Sanders is probably the only realistic option.

After Cam, Carter and Hunter there is no one worth trading up for in this class.

 

[darthseinfeld]

It depends on what they have to give up to move up though. I think this year the demand will be enough to justify the traditional pick value. Trading down for less than the pick value would be dumb. It's trading down just for the sake of trading down.

This year could be comparable to 2013 where the draft was weak in the 1st but deep on day 2. Our trade down we lost by 80 points. The equivalent of an early 4th. Could be that the values were adjusted do to how weak the 1st was. If so, it could be the same this year

 

[darthseinfeld]

Sanders is probably the only realistic option.

After Cam, Carter and Hunter there is no one worth trading up for in this class.

I think Simmons could he a real possibility. It all depends on how his prognosis looks when he visits teams. If they are good, they could see him as value potentially being tje best OT in the class

 

[Hawkeye0202]

So does mean I cant post a thread asking for actual scenario's where a team may want to trade with Dallas. Im actually asking people like you for for a real scenario as opposed to the empty "trade down to wherever, get pick". Did you read the actual post?

Nothing changed. I still see a trade down as very unlikely

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Anyway, responding to your OP......I still stand by what I posted a few weeks ago, unless one of the top 4-5 elites fall, I would look for a trading partner in the 20th range for an extra 2nd rounder.

 

[darthseinfeld]

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Anyway, responding to your OP......I still stand by what I posted a few weeks ago, unless one of the top 4-5 elites fall, I would look for a trading partner in the 20th range for an extra 2nd rounder.

That wasn't what asked in the OP

I was asking if we should or shouldnt trade down. I was asking for real scenario where a trade down opportunity presents itself

 

[TheDank]

Unlikely to make it and we would probably take them: Graham, Tet.

Best bets for possibly available and talented enough for a trade back: Warren, Campbell, Will Johnson, Barron. Possibly one of the edges or DTs if someone falls in love.

 

[baltcowboy]

Who do you see as players teams would want to move up for?

I think some of the guys teams would be interested in like Mykel Williams and Will Anderson, are guys we would just prefer to draft. Guy at those positions we have shown interest in like Tet, Golden and Shemar Stewart are guy I could see them feeling 12 is a little rich for

You named a few plus some of the offensive lineman. The fact that the Cowboys are bringing in guys for the 30 day visit that can be drafted from 12 all the way back to the 20s shows the Cowboys can be interested in trade downs. It’s hard to say 12 will be a reach for a player because this draft has few blue chippers. I believe Stewart, Williams, and Hampton will be drafted between 8 and 16. With Stewart and Williams 6’5 270lb edges are just so hard to find. Hampton I am hearing is on the top end running back spectrum with Jeanty.

 

[Dalmations202]

Best realistic trade scenario I have seen is Dallas 12,149 to Green Bay for 23, 54, 124

IF Green Bay really loves Williams, Green, Stewart or Pearce -- and really need a DE.
Since GB also needs WR and DT......they might be interested in one of those as well -- but my suspicion is DE.

And yes, IMO, if this is a possibility, Dallas should take this unless they believe Jeanty is a generational back and he dropped that far.

Dallas truly needs
#1 RB -- Jeanty the only one worthy of 12
#2 WR -- 4-5 players already vying for that position with CD and Turpin locks...will wait till round 2 at least.
#3 CB -- you have Diggs and Bland, will wait till 2nd round at least
#1 Mike -- none worth 12 pick that I see
#1 DT -- none worth the 12 pick I see

Not that OL, QB, S, DE (which could be the pick), or TE couldn't be upgraded, but these groups have at least middling NFL caliber players already.

So I think unless Jeanty is there, AND Dallas thinks he is a generational back.........then they should trade down and stay in the 1st, pick up a second, and swap a 4th for one of their fifth if the opportunity arises.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

So I think unless Jeanty is there, AND Dallas thinks he is a generational back.........then they should trade down and stay in the 1st, pick up a second, and swap a 4th for one of their fifth if the opportunity arises.

I have said many times, Jeanty, Membou and Graham are players I'm not passing on at 12. All others, I'd consider trade down offers.

 

[ErikWilliamsHeadSlap]

Seahawks might want to jump Miami for O-Line. PIT wouldn't have to jump anyone if Sanders gets passed the Saints. Not sure why they would have to trade up to Pick 12.

 

[cnuball21]

I think Simmons could he a real possibility. It all depends on how his prognosis looks when he visits teams. If they are good, they could see him as value potentially being tje best OT in the class

He’s coming off an injury and has character concerns.

If a team is dumb enough to trade up for that kind of player I’d be shocked.

 

[tm1119]

Seattle seems most plausible to me. They are flush full of picks and just invested heavily into Darnold. It might make sense for them to try and pair a franchise LT, WR (Kupp isn’t a long term solution), or TE (Warren) with Darnold

Seattle picks in rounds 1-4: 18, 50, 52, 82, 92, 137