Who Nailed It, Who Failed It?

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CashMan;5078469 said:
The only 2 things I've complained about, with the draft is, the reach in round 1, and the idea that all of a sudden, the Cowboys are going to have this 2TE Offense that will work. I like having 2 good TEs, and I liked the Escobar pick.


As for the Pats:

2012: Jones and Hightower
2011: Solder, Mallet, Cannon
2010: McCourty, Gronk, Spikes, Hernandez
2009: Chung, Vollmer

Not bad, for drafting.

2011: Mallet has not done anything and Cannon is a backup RT. How are they good picks?

2009 - Chung only lasted one contract, Pats secondary sucks and they didn't even attempt to re-sign him.

Just like Brain said, they hit on a few but miss on most, they just have a lot of picks to miss on.

Pats are very over-rated when it comes to drafting.
 

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DBOY3141;5078562 said:
2011: Mallet has not done anything and Cannon is a backup RT. How are they good picks?

2009 - Chung only lasted one contract, Pats secondary sucks and they didn't even attempt to re-sign him.

Just like Brain said, they hit on a few but miss on most, they just have a lot of picks to miss on.

Pats are very over-rated when it comes to drafting.



Mallett is going to net them a 1st rd pick, at some point here. Cannon overcame cancer, I believe and was a good value pick. Take a look at their T's then tell me why he is a backup.
Teams don't hit on every picks, but history suggests Jerry Jones, has no idea how to draft. And that is not an opinion, there is actual evidence.
 

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CashMan;5078590 said:
Mallett is going to net them a 1st rd pick, at some point here. Cannon overcame cancer, I believe and was a good value pick. Take a look at their T's then tell me why he is a backup.
Teams don't hit on every picks, but history suggests Jerry Jones, has no idea how to draft. And that is not an opinion, there is actual evidence.

Not talking about Jerry. Jerry sucks. Talking about NE. This thread was about other teams that hit or missed, not the Cowboys.

If Mallet does return a 1st rounder or 2nd rounder, I will change my tune. But as of today, those players are not playing, thus can't be counted as successfull draft picks.
 

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DBOY3141;5078600 said:
Not talking about Jerry. Jerry sucks. Talking about NE. This thread was about other teams that hit or missed, not the Cowboys.

If Mallet does return a 1st rounder or 2nd rounder, I will change my tune. But as of today, those players are not playing, thus can't be counted as successfull draft picks.


I disagree, was an Aaron Rodgers considered a bad pick, when he was taken? No, good value at the end of the 1st rd.

I think NE has a different philosophy than most teams. I think they look at value rather than that #1 impact guy, who could be a bust. Results matter, and for the most part, they have been successful. I think for where Mallett was taken, and what they probably will be able to get for him, he is a successful pick.
 

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CashMan;5078590 said:
Mallett is going to net them a 1st rd pick, at some point here. Cannon overcame cancer, I believe and was a good value pick. Take a look at their T's then tell me why he is a backup.
Teams don't hit on every picks, but history suggests Jerry Jones, has no idea how to draft. And that is not an opinion, there is actual evidence.
Future draft picks are generally valued a round lower than the current year. During the 2013 draft, an equal trade would have been a 2013 2nd rounder for a 2014 1st rounder, etc..

If you apply the above theory, then a 3rd round pick in 2011 (Mallett) would require a 1st round pick in 2013 just to break even. If they wait until 2014 to trade him, then they would need more than a 1st round pick to break even.

In the end, they have used a roster spot and some amount of salary cap space just to break even at best.
 

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xwalker;5078638 said:
Future draft picks are generally valued a round lower than the current year. During the 2013 draft, an equal trade would have been a 2013 2nd rounder for a 2014 1st rounder, etc..

If you apply the above theory, then a 3rd round pick in 2011 (Mallett) would require a 1st round pick in 2013 just to break even. If they wait until 2014 to trade him, then they would need more than a 1st round pick to break even.

In the end, they have used a roster spot and some amount of salary cap space just to break even at best.


I would disagree. He would serve as a #2 QB, which they needed, and something they could trade. They spent like a 3rd or 4th on him, so it was not like they invested too much.
 

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He was drafted with the 10th pick of the 3rd round. Most times, 1st, 2nd , 3rd rounders should be starting by their third year. He is not and won't be in NE for quite sometime. Wasted pick so far.

Everyone assumes because KC got fleeced with Cassell that is the norm now. I don't think it is. Unless Mallett gets playing time, real playing time, I don't see anyone trading a 1st or 2nd for him.

NE gets by with decent talent but more times than not because of great QB and a great HC.

I'm too lazy, but I bet if you go back that last 5 drafts, not counting this one, that the number of players still on their roster is middle of the road compared to the rest of the league.
 

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Our Top 5

1. San Fran
2. Green Bay
3. Arizona
4. St. Louis
5. Minnesota

* Steelers had biggest steal of the draft with selection of LeVeon Bell in 2nd round.

You can view our 1st round grades here: 2013 NFL Draft Grades
 

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I thought the Bengals had a fantastic draft. Who can be disappointed with the Vikings draft as well.

morasp;5077686 said:
I thought that the Vikings have a lot of risky picks in the first round.

The Bengals had a really solid draft.
 

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I thought Denver killed it except round 3
 

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Wood;5080433 said:
Our Top 5

1. San Fran
2. Green Bay
3. Arizona
4. St. Louis
5. Minnesota

* Steelers had biggest steal of the draft with selection of LeVeon Bell in 2nd round.

You can view our 1st round grades here: 2013 NFL Draft Grades

I think SF is highly over-rated. They are getting praised for doing the same thing the Cowboys are getting ridiculed for.

1st round - reach for a safety (position of need) and give up a 3rd in the process

2nd round - draft a TE with Vernon Davis on the roster

4th round - draft a RB who may not play this year with already having 3 quality RB's on the roster. While we get critized drafting Williams in the 3rd with Dez and Miles on the roster.
 
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