Who Remembers The Cowboys' dead era drafting : 1978-1987

Too many 2nd round busts. They should not gamble on 2nd rounders. Make safe picks, high character, proven results, impervious to injuries:

Here is my 2nd round collection of forgetables in last 30 years:

2021 Kelvin Joseph CB, head case, but uber-talent
2019 Trysten Hill, DT, small school player Rob Marinelli swore by. This one hurt big time
2018 Jaylon Smith (gamble with an extra 3rd or 4th, not a 2nd)
2015 Randy Gregory -- no more known drug addicts
2006 Anthony Fasano TE dropped a sure TD in end zone in 2006 playoffs vs Giants. I have never forgiven this stiff for that,
2004 Jacob Rogers OL
2003 Al Johnson center. Very weak at point of attack
2002 Dwayne Goodrich CB
1995 Shane Hannah G, Kendal Watkins TE, wasted picks galore
And if I felt like it I could post the same amount of second round picks that were actually great picks you know it included Sean Lee and tank and plenty of others I mean you could just pick out the bad ones on every team in every round there's gonna be some that just didn't workout don't say ooh but it's a second round you can't miss no I bet there's a whole bunch of teams that have top 5 picks in the first round that were all bus you would you like to go over all that or you just like to rip on the Cowboys for another narrative that doesn't work they have just as many hits in the second round as they have misses... Been you know we've been through this before you guys post the same nonsense all the time so I have to keep going back and checking you guys yes those guys were all either not very good or average or below average jalen Smith was worth the risk other teams were going to take him they already had him targeted not far from where we picked him teams had picked guys have had catastrophic injuries in college or injured or had red flags because of injuries that's the risk you take for talent like that and he actually had a Pro Bowl season or two and had seasons where he led the seat like NFL and tackles he wasn't a complete bust.

And by the way weed is not considered being a drug addict there are a lot of players in the NFL and the NBA and other sports that take it for anxiety or whatever reasons but I get it but don't say Randy Gregory wasn't a talent I mean it's kind of funny though right if he was just a little better or stuck we had guys like Hollywood Henderson and dudes that were doing drugs during the 90s Super Bowls they called it the White House you ever hear of North Dallas 40 oh wait a minute who's that like linebacker I can't remember his name he was known for doing cocaine, LT ie Lawerence Taylor ,oh that's right one of the best to ever play the game let's stop judging people because they didn't make it in the NFL so then you bring up the fact that he's like to smoke weed, so did Ricky Williams and I agree his career wasn't the same because the league didn't accept it as much as he knew now...

There are a lot of guys in this league that have admitted in other sports and the NFL that they get high before games you'd never know it and there's others that take prescription drugs like Brett Farve so it was the prescription so somehow your excusing him because he's a Hall of Famer you know how often that was done people using steroids ,prescription pills ,smoking weed ,drinking, you know who is known to be drinking a lot that wore fur coats, and really lit up the nightlife, some of these guys were going out the night before games, yup Joe Namath. "broadway Joe" He didn't get that name because he liked to go watch stuff on Broadway l O l...

So you should probably be careful because the hypocrisy here of only signaling out a few like some of the leagues have where they made it a big deal and they ruined guys careers but the others are all excused because they were better players so it didn't matter that they were taking a handful of prescription pills to get through a game because they were called pain pills what do you think that people smoke weed for ? Yes to calm their nerves anxiety pain the same reason some people go decompress and go have three or four drinks after work it happens the fact that you judge people for that and say we shouldn't pick drug addicts I don't think Randy Gregory is considered a drug addict he just as I failed player because he wasn't motivated if I had something to do with the drugs okay but like I said there are lots of great players that I just pointed out that seem to function fine partying all the time and doing illegal illicit drugs or their flame alcoholics..
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Too many 2nd round busts. They should not gamble on 2nd rounders. Make safe picks, high character, proven results, impervious to injuries:

Here is my 2nd round collection of forgetables in last 30 years:

2021 Kelvin Joseph CB, head case, but uber-talent
2019 Trysten Hill, DT, small school player Rob Marinelli swore by. This one hurt big time
2018 Jaylon Smith (gamble with an extra 3rd or 4th, not a 2nd)
2015 Randy Gregory -- no more known drug addicts
2006 Anthony Fasano TE dropped a sure TD in end zone in 2006 playoffs vs Giants. I have never forgiven this stiff for that,
2004 Jacob Rogers OL
2003 Al Johnson center. Very weak at point of attack
2002 Dwayne Goodrich CB
1995 Shane Hannah G, Kendal Watkins TE, wasted picks galore
and good ones,

Diggs, Mcgovern, Conner Williams, Demarcus tank Lawerence, Sean Lee, Awuzie, Marcus spears, andre Geroude, Flozell Adams, Coakley,Larry allen , darrin smith, robert jones & alvin Harper........

I mean how far would you like me to go back I mean I can put the same number of good ones which brings me back to my original point in a shorter post all teams have every round bus they have picked the wrong guys I see it in just about every round they have players they pick and they just weren't the right guys it happens you picking out just the negative ones since 1995 and I go back not even all the way back there and find the same ones the same amount of positive second round picks I get it they missed but teams miss all the time in the draft.. That is why there is so many undrafted free agents that workout because a lot of teams picked the wrong ones and the other ones slipped through the cracks ended up in late later rounds or undrafted...
 
Those Cowboy teams through 84' were so good, very few rookies could have stepped in. They continued winning and competing in the NFC for Super Bowl berths until White went down. So, even with all the mistakes, they really just screwed up the QB position. Sure we can bash them for passing on Montana, but every team passed on Montana at least twice. The guy we really missed on and should have drafted was Marino but we were so deflated about missing out on Elway they barely considered him.
 
And passing on Stephen Jackson was criminal.
It's hardly criminal the drafts not perfect and teams pass on everyone so you say the Cowboys passed on Steven Jackson but they also passed on TJ Watt but why were they still there in the 20s it's because it's not a perfect world TJ Watts slipped past everyone and the Cowboys that goes for everyone all these guys that end up in later rounds how did Deron Bland end up in the 5th round? Ward goes Undrafted..Romo?

Big ones Tom Brady and Purdy? I mean last year Bucky Irvin shouldn't he went higher looks like he turned out to be one of the better draft picks... Slides all the way to the 4th round...

using hindsight is kind of easy to do right you, got Derek Henry how does he go in the second round shouldn't this be a guy that would go top 5 kind of like Ezekiel Elliott and Saikwan Barkley and others some of the better running backs that got picked in the top five or at least the top 10 of the first round but how does Derek Henry end up in the second round? I don't want to hear fans saying well they had them taken early I knew the guy was going to be great that's not how it works it's a process. There's like 1000 players and only two 278 get drafted..

So, the word criminal is ridiculous,

it's not a perfect science the draft is overthought that's why I think the draft should be 1st and free agency 2nd, they should have the draft in March not April IMO

it should have already happened that way they're not waffling and going back and forth and overthinking everything literally teams do this they look at everything and then you look at it again then you look at it 10 times and then they debate in their rooms with a bunch of FO people debating who they should take and not agreeing on all of them, Then draft a comes and turns around when it's third turn and there's three guys on the board they didn't realize would be there and now second guessing their choices.. on the clock and under pressure in the "war room" mistakes happen.
 
It's hardly criminal the drafts not perfect and teams pass on everyone so you say the Cowboys passed on Steven Jackson but they also passed on TJ Watt but why were they still there in the 20s it's because it's not a perfect world TJ Watts slipped past everyone and the Cowboys that goes for everyone all these guys that end up in later rounds how did Deron Bland end up in the 5th round? Ward goes Undrafted..Romo?

Big ones Tom Brady and Purdy? I mean last year Bucky Irvin shouldn't he went higher looks like he turned out to be one of the better draft picks... Slides all the way to the 4th round...

using hindsight is kind of easy to do right you, got Derek Henry how does he go in the second round shouldn't this be a guy that would go top 5 kind of like Ezekiel Elliott and Saikwan Barkley and others some of the better running backs that got picked in the top five or at least the top 10 of the first round but how does Derek Henry end up in the second round? I don't want to hear fans saying well they had them taken early I knew the guy was going to be great that's not how it works it's a process. There's like 1000 players and only two 278 get drafted..

So, the word criminal is ridiculous,

it's not a perfect science the draft is overthought that's why I think the draft should be 1st and free agency 2nd, they should have the draft in March not April IMO

it should have already happened that way they're not waffling and going back and forth and overthinking everything literally teams do this they look at everything and then you look at it again then you look at it 10 times and then they debate in their rooms with a bunch of FO people debating who they should take and not agreeing on all of them, Then draft a comes and turns around when it's third turn and there's three guys on the board they didn't realize would be there and now second guessing their choices.. on the clock and under pressure in the "war room" mistakes happen.
It was criminal at the time. Dallas had a huge need for a starting RB. Stephen Jackson was right there at #17 not a late #1 pick in the 20s and they passed. That was dumb as hell. I am not talking about any other draft. Just that one at this time.
 
1994 through 2001 was awful as well. That’s how we went from dynasty to bottom feeders in 5 years.

Edit: Larry Allen was the one exception in that time frame
 
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It was criminal at the time. Dallas had a huge need for a starting RB. Stephen Jackson was right there at #17 not a late #1 pick in the 20s and they passed. That was dumb as hell. I am not talking about any other draft. Just that one at this time.
Hindsight is awesome, isn't it..

once again, I have to remind you that all teams make these mistakes in the draft it happens that's why there's undrafted players in the Hall of Fame quite a few actually, more busts than the first round, people overthink the draft...

i'm trying to explain to you how this works it is not a perfect science, so no it's not criminal ,regardless of your descriptive words, it doesn't fit...

it was a mistake, it was a misstep, they overlooked the guy ,just like other players like TJ Watt we overlooked, and we get blamed for it, but apparently a whole bunch of teams before us also overthought him...​

There'll be mistakes in this draft strap it on all teams are going to somehow let guys slide apparently last year it was probably Bucky Irvin the running back... You know hidden gems and steals would never happen the word wouldn't even be there in the draft if guys don't slide or go on drafted and then somebody happens to pick him up and bam...
 
1994 through 2001 was awful as well. That’s how we went from dynasty to bottom feeders in 5 years.

Edit: Larry Allen was the one exception in that time frame
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/draft.htm

You are correct there was some terrible drafts in there, but they got more than just Larry Allen, dexter Coakley, Flozell adams,& greg elliis...

Is it a coincidence that in 2002 will mcclay started working for the Dallas Cowboys as a scout..hmmm
 
Gil Brandt started out-thinking himself.

Instead of just drafting top talent, he thought he had to find those hidden gems he was known for in the 70s.
 
And passing on Stephen Jackson was criminal.
The only time I raged quit watching the draft lol
Remember being at my parents house talking the ears off my dad about Stephen Jackson and hoping he would fall...
But I guess in hindsight the 2 1st in 2005 allowed Parcells to allow the pick of Ware at #11 if the rumors of him wanting Spears first was true.
 
Gil Brandt started out-thinking himself.

Instead of just drafting top talent, he thought he had to find those hidden gems he was known for in the 70s.
Also the competition was literally bringing the annual copy of Street and Smiths to the draft to make their picks.
 
1994 through 2001 was awful as well. That’s how we went from dynasty to bottom feeders in 5 years.

Edit: Larry Allen was the one exception in that time frame
Late 80’s and Late 90’s feel like the lowest talent levels saw on the team, mostly through bad drafting. The seem to be trying their best to get there again with the last 2 years of draft picks and trades.
 
The only time I raged quit watching the draft lol
Remember being at my parents house talking the ears off my dad about Stephen Jackson and hoping he would fall...
But I guess in hindsight the 2 1st in 2005 allowed Parcells to allow the pick of Ware at #11 if the rumors of him wanting Spears first was true.
Yea, I heard that too actually wanted Spears first. SMH. Still hate seeing his face on ESPN.
 
Hindsight is awesome, isn't it..

once again, I have to remind you that all teams make these mistakes in the draft it happens that's why there's undrafted players in the Hall of Fame quite a few actually, more busts than the first round, people overthink the draft...

i'm trying to explain to you how this works it is not a perfect science, so no it's not criminal ,regardless of your descriptive words, it doesn't fit...

it was a mistake, it was a misstep, they overlooked the guy ,just like other players like TJ Watt we overlooked, and we get blamed for it, but apparently a whole bunch of teams before us also overthought him...​

There'll be mistakes in this draft strap it on all teams are going to somehow let guys slide apparently last year it was probably Bucky Irvin the running back... You know hidden gems and steals would never happen the word wouldn't even be there in the draft if guys don't slide or go on drafted and then somebody happens to pick him up and bam...
It is not hindsight. It was stupid then. How is it hindsight when I did not like it at the time and it became a failure?? That is an I told you so.
 
It is not hindsight. It was stupid then. How is it hindsight when I did not like it at the time and it became a failure?? That is an I told you so.
By the way just to satisfy my own curiosity I went and looked at that draft doesn't show why but they apparently traded out of the first round because they didn't have a 1st round pick and they had 2 2nd round picks and they picked Julius Jones with the first one....
 

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