Who stays in Dallas past 07': Flozell or Julius?

[TheSport78]

Lets say Julius Jones has a great year. For argument's sake, 1,500 yards and 13 TD's are his 2007 numbers. I say regardless of the year Julius has, he's not a Cowboy in 2008. Julius has been the perfect example of having an inconsistent career. Although he is already #8 on all-time rushing list in Dallas, he doesn't deserve the big paycheck. One good year in Dallas does not qualify him of getting a huge contract. I'm just going to say it. Dallas needs Darren McFadden. Imagine having a "Brian Westbrook" type player on our team where our starting RB can take it to the house at any moment, on the ground OR through the air as a receiver. That's where the difference is between Jones and McFadden. McFadden would be a threat as a receiver where you can split him out wide and make the defense account for him. I know Julius hasn't had many opportunities to show what he's got as a receiver, but don't you think if Julius has the ability to be a big threat as a receiver, the coaching staff would have given him more opportunities in the past?

When it comes to Flozell, left tackles aren't easy to find. I guess you can label him a disappointment if you want. Flozell isn't Walter Jones, but he isn't Torrin Tucker either. A good amount of offensive lineman hit their peak in their early to mid 30's. Adams is also in year 2 of his rehabilitation, which is supposed to be the "bounce-back" year. So I say if Flozell EARNS making the Pro Bowl, we need to re-sign him and let James Marten be the future at RT while having McQuistan compete for the LG position so we don't have so much money tied up in the offensive line.

Let Julius go and sign Flozell to a 4 yr deal (If he has a Pro Bowl year)! P.S. I didn't include Romo here because I believe a deal will happen before training camp. Hopefully we give Romo a "Drew Brees" type deal where if it doesn't go the way we like, we can cut our losses.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I would have to go with Adams, remember tackles get better oddly after they hit a certain age. Also keep in mind Flo was battling with the repaired ACL comeback, I expect him to be good this year. As far as Julius Jones is concerned I believe Jerry Jones has his eye on McFadden so Jones will have to go out on the field and put up huge numbers for that to change.

 

[AbeBeta]

I would have to go with Adams, remember tackles get better oddly after they hit a certain age. Also keep in mind Flo was battling with the repaired ACL comeback, I expect him to be good this year. As far as Julius Jones is concerned I believe Jerry Jones has his eye on McFadden so Jones will have to go out on the field and put up huge numbers for that to change.

of course, last year Jerry had his eye on Quinn

 

[superpunk]

Likely neither. We have much better players who will need contracts coming up. Better to spend money on them than waste it on a tackle that's nearing the end and a RB who can't ball. If I had to pick one, it'd be Flozell - depends on what we see with the rookies, where our draft pick is, and how much he'd cost to end his career here.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Flo-Gone
I think JJ will remain our RB for a long time.

 

[Dcowboy84]

Lets say Julius Jones has a great year. For argument's sake, 1,500 yards and 13 TD's are his 2007 numbers. I say regardless of the year Julius has, he's not a Cowboy in 2008. Julius has been the perfect example of having an inconsistent career. Although he is already #8 on all-time rushing list in Dallas, he doesn't deserve the big paycheck. One good year in Dallas does not qualify him of getting a huge contract. I'm just going to say it. Dallas needs Darren McFadden. Imagine having a "Brian Westbrook" type player on our team where our starting RB can take it to the house at any moment, on the ground OR through the air as a receiver. That's where the difference is between Jones and McFadden. McFadden would be a threat as a receiver where you can split him out wide and make the defense account for him. I know Julius hasn't had many opportunities to show what he's got as a receiver, but don't you think if Julius has the ability to be a big threat as a receiver, the coaching staff would have given him more opportunities in the past?

When it comes to Flozell, left tackles aren't easy to find. I guess you can label him a disappointment if you want. Flozell isn't Walter Jones, but he isn't Torrin Tucker either. A good amount of offensive lineman hit their peak in their early to mid 30's. Adams is also in year 2 of his rehabilitation, which is supposed to be the "bounce-back" year. So I say if Flozell EARNS making the Pro Bowl, we need to re-sign him and let James Marten be the future at RT while having McQuistan compete for the LG position so we don't have so much money tied up in the offensive line.

Let Julius go and sign Flozell to a 4 yr deal (If he has a Pro Bowl year)! P.S. I didn't include Romo here because I believe a deal will happen before training camp. Hopefully we give Romo a "Drew Brees" type deal where if it doesn't go the way we like, we can cut our losses.

I think you've made good points here on both guys.

I definitely agree that in Flo's case he MUST earn a new contract or he won't be back, which would be a shame b/c i think he gets ripped more than he should. But then again, i think part of it will depend on how quickly guys like McQuistan and Free do in learning the Pro LT position. I think if one of those guys (i'm assuming Free right now) shows over the course of the year that he could win that starting position in '08, we won't resign Flo regardless of how he performs due to how much he would probably cost.


As far as Julius, this one is tough for me b/c i've really liked him since his rookie year, and i just keep hoping to see more consistency out of him.

I don't think he'll have the stats that you used as a hypothetical, at least in terms of TDs, b/c of Barber. Though he could have 1200+ yards i think.

In the end, i think it's like you said, he won't be here in '08, which i also think is a shame b/c he has shown the potential to be the guy for us, especially using a 2-back system, as i believe he is a great yin to Barber's yang.

But i think if we are in a position in the draft next year where we are staring McFadden in the face, there is no way we pass on him. He just seems to me to be one of those talents you can't pass on (ex. Reggie Bush, Calvin Johnson). And i agree that i would love to see McFadden wearing the star, and see what kind of plays we could run with a guy like that.

Bottomline for me, it will be hard to watch them leave if it comes to that, b/c even though they have not been the locks we thought they were when we saw monstrous performances out of them, i believe they have both been solid players, and should be proud of the time they had a star on their helmets.

 

[5mics]

Lets say Julius Jones has a great year. For argument's sake, 1,500 yards and 13 TD's are his 2007 numbers. I say regardless of the year Julius has, he's not a Cowboy in 2008. Julius has been the perfect example of having an inconsistent career. Although he is already #8 on all-time rushing list in Dallas, he doesn't deserve the big paycheck. One good year in Dallas does not qualify him of getting a huge contract. I'm just going to say it. Dallas needs Darren McFadden. Imagine having a "Brian Westbrook" type player on our team where our starting RB can take it to the house at any moment, on the ground OR through the air as a receiver. That's where the difference is between Jones and McFadden. McFadden would be a threat as a receiver where you can split him out wide and make the defense account for him. I know Julius hasn't had many opportunities to show what he's got as a receiver, but don't you think if Julius has the ability to be a big threat as a receiver, the coaching staff would have given him more opportunities in the past?

When it comes to Flozell, left tackles aren't easy to find. I guess you can label him a disappointment if you want. Flozell isn't Walter Jones, but he isn't Torrin Tucker either. A good amount of offensive lineman hit their peak in their early to mid 30's. Adams is also in year 2 of his rehabilitation, which is supposed to be the "bounce-back" year. So I say if Flozell EARNS making the Pro Bowl, we need to re-sign him and let James Marten be the future at RT while having McQuistan compete for the LG position so we don't have so much money tied up in the offensive line.

Let Julius go and sign Flozell to a 4 yr deal (If he has a Pro Bowl year)! P.S. I didn't include Romo here because I believe a deal will happen before training camp. Hopefully we give Romo a "Drew Brees" type deal where if it doesn't go the way we like, we can cut our losses.

So are you for or against giving Romo a long-term, big contract, which is rumored to be before the season starts? If you're against giving JJ one, then logic should dictate you against giving Romo one, right? He hasn't had that "big" year either.....

Btw, I don't think Romo would take that "Brees deal." If so, do we take our chances and have him go to FA or sign him to a big contract?

I'd franchise Flo so we can keep him for one more year and allow Marten & Free more development time. I think we have enough space to absorb the one time hit.....

 

[5mics]

I think you've made good points here on both guys.

I definitely agree that in Flo's case he MUST earn a new contract or he won't be back, which would be a shame b/c i think he gets ripped more than he should. But then again, i think part of it will depend on how quickly guys like McQuistan and Free do in learning the Pro LT position. I think if one of those guys (i'm assuming Free right now) shows over the course of the year that he could win that starting position in '08, we won't resign Flo regardless of how he performs due to how much he would probably cost.


As far as Julius, this one is tough for me b/c i've really liked him since his rookie year, and i just keep hoping to see more consistency out of him.

I don't think he'll have the stats that you used as a hypothetical, at least in terms of TDs, b/c of Barber. Though he could have 1200+ yards i think.

In the end, i think it's like you said, he won't be here in '08, which i also think is a shame b/c he has shown the potential to be the guy for us, especially using a 2-back system, as i believe he is a great yin to Barber's yang.

But i think if we are in a position in the draft next year where we are staring McFadden in the face, there is no way we pass on him. He just seems to me to be one of those talents you can't pass on (ex. Reggie Bush, Calvin Johnson). And i agree that i would love to see McFadden wearing the star, and see what kind of plays we could run with a guy like that.

Bottomline for me, it will be hard to watch them leave if it comes to that, b/c even though they have not been the locks we thought they were when we saw monstrous performances out of them, i believe they have both been solid players, and should be proud of the time they had a star on their helmets.

Tell that to the Texans.....

 

[superpunk]

I'd franchise Flo so we can keep him for one more year and allow Marten & Free more development time. I think we have enough space to absorb the one time hit.....

I approve of this plan.

Well done.

 

[Dcowboy84]

Tell that to the Texans.....

Yeah you're right, i should have said "he's a talent that anyone with half a brain cell just can't pass on"

 

[TheSport78]

So are you for or against giving Romo a long-term, big contract, which is rumored to be before the season starts? If you're against giving JJ one, then logic should dictate you against giving Romo one, right? He hasn't had that "big" year either.....

Btw, I don't think Romo would take that "Brees deal." If so, do we take our chances and have him go to FA or sign him to a big contract?

I'd franchise Flo so we can keep him for one more year and allow Marten & Free more development time. I think we have enough space to absorb the one time hit.....

IMO I think QB is the hardest position to find in the NFL. RB's come and go. This Dallas franchise has been very fortunate to have hall of fame players come one after the other at the RB position. So I say when you find that QB, you need to lock him up, ESPECIALLY because of how the QB position has plagued this team for nearly a decade now. Romo just seems to love being in Dallas. We're the team that gave him a chance to get better over the past 4 years to develop into a starting QB. He is earning that big contract, not just because of 06', but because of attending all of the OTA's, studying game film, trying to become a better player everyday and becoming a team leader that this team has desperately needed since Aikman. I'm not sure about franchising Flozell, especially if we have a top 5 pick. That's a lot of cap money tied into one year, because you know McFadden (please God) is going to want a huge signing bonus and a lot of money in the first couple of years.

 

[5mics]

I approve of this plan.

Well done.

Yeah, who needs Stephen?! I just need Jerry to sign the checks.....

 

[Number82]

Here's the deal. I honestly think this depends on where our Cleveland pick is. If Jerry does not think we are in a position to get McFadden, but we will be to get Jake Long, I think he signs JJ and gets rid of Flozell. But, if we pick like 1 or 2, I think he drops JJ. BUT, this also depends on the development of Free and Marten.

BUT, something tells me that Jerry will do whatever he has to in order to get McFadden. That scares me because I'm not sold on McFadden. Yeah, he's explosive, but I see srtaightline speed. He doesn't have many moves to fake defenders out ala Reggie Bush (like some people compare him to). Also, he can't take a hit for anything. He drops down in a second. Hopefully, if we get him, he'll prove me wrong, but I think I'd rather have JJ and MB3 as my RB-tandem.

 

[BouncingCheese]

Julius... he's younger

 

[Doomsday101]

I would say it depends on the type of season both players have this year.

 

[justbob]

I approve of this plan.

Well done.

I have to agree also --no way do I want Flo sign for 4 more years--but if you lock him up for year --he might play for a hard all year for a contract --
you then go withthe younger players--Flo is not --and will not evr br more the average because of his work ethic

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I believe that Flo's circumstances are much different than JJ's. Flo's circumstances could well depend on if one of the younger players shows that they are ready to step in and assume the starting role. If this is the case, then goodbye Flo. If this does not happen, then a Franchise tag or a new contract are a good possibility. Much more defined scenario than JJ.

JJ is an enigma to me. If he does have a Monster year, then is it due to his getting back to the basics without Parcells? Seems his brother went through some knocks early on, but is now thought highly enough of that the Jets feel he can replace Curtis Martin. Perhaps Jones simply needed a similar timeframe. Something tells me that, even if he has a Monster year that we will still be debating this one come next offseason.

I personally would like to see what Barber can do as a Starter before the end of the Season so that we know what we have with him. If we sign Jones or McFadden, Barber will most likley be allowed to walk.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I would have to say JJ is gone.

Flo has a slight chance IF he has a kick butt year in 07

 

[tomson75]

I'm not sold on McFadden. Yeah, he's explosive, but I see srtaightline speed. He doesn't have many moves to fake defenders out ala Reggie Bush (like some people compare him to). Also, he can't take a hit for anything. He drops down in a second. Hopefully, if we get him, he'll prove me wrong, but I think I'd rather have JJ and MB3 as my RB-tandem.

First off, let me start by saying that I'm a fan of JJ, but to chose JJ over McFadden is _________. You're right, McFadden doesn't have the evasive moves that Bush has, but the reason most people compare the two isn't becasue of their running styles, its becasue of their versatility. McFadden, like Bush, can line up as a RB or a WR (he can also play some QB), and be very effective.

You'd take JJ over McFadden and one of the reasons you're not sold on him is he "can't take a hit for anything?" Ummmm....have you seen JJ play lately? Our offensive line probably has as many tackles on JJ as opposing teams.

McFadden has far superior talent than Jones. Period.

That being said, it wouldn't suprise me to see JJ have a big year this year. I hope he gets back whatever it was he had as a rookie.

....but if McFadden is sitting there with the third or fourth pick in next year's draft, you take him and wish Julius luck with his next job.

 

[Stash]

Hypothetically, what type of value do you guys feel that Adams would have in a trade this year?

What round draft pick do you feel he would be worth?