Who Will the Cowboys Not Draft?

[28 Joker]

Help me out here. The Cowboys draft players based on size/speed ratio and physical profile. The Cowboys, Packers, Giants, Raiders, and Jaguars draft this way. Let's look at safeties. I will not include Tra Battle or Keith Davis, because they were not drafted.

Look at the safeties on Dallas' roster:

Courtney Brown
6-1 203 4.35

Ken Hamlin
6-2 206 4.61

Geralad Sensabaugh
6-0 204 4.44

Pat Watkins
6-5 208 4.42


The two players Dallas drafted are both over 6 feet tall and weigh at least 200 pounds. The two free agents are at least 6 feet tall and weigh at least 200 pounds. Three out of the four players run at least a 4.4 forty yard dash.

Based on this profile, I think Dallas will not draft a safety under 6 feet tall that runs a 4.5 or close to it. I think Dallas will not draft these safeties:


Louis Delmas

5-11 4.52 202

Gerald McBath

6-0 4.58 198

Rashad Johnson

5-11 4.49 203

Patrick Chung

5-11 212 4.49

Sherrod Martin

6-1 193 4.48




Here are some of the safeties, I think, Dallas will look closely at:


William Moore

6-1 226 4.50 (Moore's 4.5 speed when you consider his weight passes.)

Chip Vaughn (Has the range to play center field.)
6-2 214 4.42

David Bruton
6-2 210 4.40

Chris Clemmons
6-0 208 4.38

Micheal Hamlin
6-2 214 4.57

Courtney Green
6-0 212 4.56


I think the taller you are and the faster you run, the better chances you have of being drafted by Dallas. Dallas likes big safeties that can run in the 4.4s. Moore just ran under 4.5 at his pro day. Chip Vaugn is even more impressive.

I think if Dallas could order a strong safety, he would be 6-2, 214 and run a 4.4. That's Chip Vaughn of Wake Forest.

 

[TheCount]

Help me out here. The Cowboys draft players based on size/speed ratio and physical profile.

I don't think that's completely true...

 

[Common Sense]

I say take whatever we've done collecting safeties the past several years... and do the opposite this time.

 

[28 Joker]

I don't think that's completely true...

What do you mean by completely?

 

[28 Joker]

I say take whatever we've done collecting safeties the past several years... and do the opposite this time.

The problem isn't the template, it's the round you are picking them in.

The two drafted guys were drafted in the 5th and 7th round.

Hamlin came out of the 2nd round.

 

[CF74]

You need more variables in your hypothesis.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

The cowboys wont draft Ron Brace.

 

[DeaconBlues]

I believe Tebow's a lock, but who knows. Maybe he can clone himself and play both in college and the NFL.

 

[Woods]

I believe Tebow's a lock, but who knows. Maybe he can clone himself and play both in college and the NFL.

:laugh2:

OK That's a good one.

 

[reddyuta]

If what you hypothesize is true(i dont believe it)then we need some rethinking considering some top safeties in the NFL who are outside those parameters and hence will never be drafted by the cowboys.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Someone in the first.....barring a trade :laugh2:

 

[irvin4evs]

The initial hypothesis is a bit silly in my opinion.

I have only one name to offer: Mitch King.

xinfinite

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Anybody from UT.

 

[28 Joker]

Guys, this is how Parcells drafts.

Read Wes Bunting if you don't believe me. He spoke about this in an article. I left the Dolphins out.

The Cowboys, Dolphins, Packers, Giants, Jaguars and Raiders operate this way.

Now, I could be wrong about some players. Delmas' 4.52 speed and under 6-0 height doesn't make the cut in my projection. Plus, he has concussion concerens. He's a borderline guy when you factor in the variables. If he's 6-1 or 6-2, his 40 time doesn't hurt him as much in my opinion. However, he's under 6-0 and under 4.4 in the 40. I say he's ruled out.

Edit:

You could put Rashad Johnson and Patrick Chung on the bubble, too. They are at least 200 pounds, but they are under 6-0. Plus, both barley cracked 4.4 (4.49). When you consider that Chung wasn't great on tape in coverage, I rule him out. Johnson has the coverage skills, and he's physical, but he doesn't have great speed. Plus, he just recently cracked the 200 pound mark, barely. Ditto with Delmas.

 

[5mics]

Help me out here. The Cowboys draft players based on size/speed ratio and physical profile. The Cowboys, Packers, Giants, Raiders, and Jaguars draft this way. Let's look at safeties. I will not include Tra Battle or Keith Davis, because they were not drafted.

Look at the safeties on Dallas' roster:

Courtney Brown
6-1 203 4.35

Ken Hamlin
6-2 206 4.61

Geralad Sensabaugh
6-0 204 4.44

Pat Watkins
6-5 208 4.42


The two players Dallas drafted are both over 6 feet tall and weigh at least 200 pounds. The two free agents are at least 6 feet tall and weigh at least 200 pounds. Three out of the four players run at least a 4.4 forty yard dash.

Based on this profile, I think Dallas will not draft a safety under 6 feet tall that runs a 4.5 or close to it. I think Dallas will not draft these safeties:


Louis Delmas

5-11 4.52 202

Gerald McBath

6-0 4.58 198

Rashad Johnson

5-11 4.49 203

Patrick Chung

5-11 212 4.49

Sherrod Martin

6-1 193 4.48




Here are some of the safeties, I think, Dallas will look closely at:


William Moore

6-1 226 4.50 (Moore's 4.5 speed when you consider his weight passes.)

Chip Vaughn (Has the range to play center field.)
6-2 214 4.42

David Bruton
6-2 210 4.40
Chris Clemmons
6-0 208 4.38

Micheal Hamlin
6-2 214 4.57

Courtney Green
6-0 212 4.56


I think the taller you are and the faster you run, the better chances you have of being drafted by Dallas. Dallas likes big safeties that can run in the 4.4s. Moore just ran under 4.5 at his pro day. Chip Vaugn is even more impressive.

I think if Dallas could order a strong safety, he would be 6-2, 214 and run a 4.4. That's Chip Vaughn of Wake Forest.

Winner-winner, chicken dinner!!!

 

[BAT]

If this is true, it is a completely ridiculous drafting strategy. Ed Reed does not get drafted within those parameters, neither does Bob Sanders or Troy Polamalu. Starting to see the pattern?


Draft base on film/production/fit, triangle numbers should only be the deciding criteria between 2 players of similar value.


Don't fall in love w/guys who look like Tarzan, covet guys who PLAY like Tarzan.

 

[28 Joker]

If this is true, it is a completely ridiculous drafting strategy. Ed Reed does not get drafted within those parameters, neither does Bob Sanders or Troy Polamalu. Starting to see the pattern?


Draft base on film/production/fit, triangle numbers should only be the deciding criteria between 2 players of similar value.


Don't fall in love w/guys who look like Tarzan, covet guys who PLAY like Tarzan.

Bunting gives us Delmas at 51 this week despite ranking him at 69. Plus, the Cowboys pass up Duke Robinson and Phil Loadholt in his draft. He gives the Eagles Robinson. He likes Moore a little better but says they grade out about the same.

I'm sure some consideration is given to guys who are on the bubble. When ever you have parameters, you can certainly go a shade outside them based on certain situations or in this case, players.

I'll look for that link.

 

[28 Joker]

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/apr/20/by-ethan-j-skolnickltbgtltigt/?printer=1/

This isn't the Bunting link. I can't find it.

However, this is an article about how the Dolphins will draft under Jeff Ireland and Bill Parcells.

It says the Dolphins will have size parameters for every single position.

It talks about character, team captains, ect...

They prefer large school players but will make exceptions for "overwhelming gifts". (DeMarcus Ware)


Again, parameters have leeway.

Don't you guys remember Parcells telling Ireland "to have his eyes"? Part of "his eyes" is his draft templates for players.

Size/speed ratios are part of Parcells' eyes, especially size on defense.

 

[arglebargle]

And Parcells' template for Olineman included the phrase...'Absolutely, positively cannot be developed into starters'.


Given that some of these guys have one inch in height, or just 5lb differences, I can't see that being a hard limit on picking in the draft. Other aspects being good, of course.


Just noticed the new GBN draft top 100, and these were the players ranked within 5 of the Cowboys pick:

Phil Loadholt OT 6-7, 340 Oklahoma
Marcus Freeman LB 6-1, 245 Ohio State
*Sean Smith CB 6-2, 215 Utah
*Paul Kruger DE 6-4, 265 Utah
Brian Robiskie WR 6-2, 205 Ohio State
Louis Delmas FS 5-11, 195 Western Michigan
Clint Sintim LB 6-2, 255 Virginia
Alex Magee DT 6-3, 295 Purdue

Duke Robinson OG 6-5, 335 Oklahoma
Fili Moala DT 6-3, 295 USC
Rashad Johnson FS 6-0, 190 Alabama

Decent choices there...

Some are even 'in-template'.