Why a good young WR needs to be found

[mmillman]

The only teams that were good without a great WR either ran the west coast offense or had a good defense. The NFL is a passing league and a great WR opens up the whole offense because he backs off the safeties and draws double coverage. This opens up the running game and room for the other WR and or TE.

The same is true for a great RB that sucks up the safeties. This opens up the WR's and TE to break some deep plays on play action.

On defense a great CB allows the defense to rotate toward the other side and a great pass rusher allows the DB's to only cover for shorter times.

Bottom line is that the elite players are what separate the teams. That is why I am a proponent of trading up for elite players and this year I would trade up for Johnson. The drafts have been more productive lately when Dallas was taking Newman, Williams, Ware etc..... These guys make a difference and you usually get them in the top 10.

Falling back IMHO only works when there are several that you have rated the same and can still get one by dropping back a few slots in the tier. Or, when you fleece a lousy team like Buffalo for their first in the next draft. How many of you were rooting for Buffalo that year they drafted Losman to lose every game so that we could have a high pick? That pick became Ware and he is now the cornerstone of the Defense.

I hope Jerruh makes a statement with this draft and moves up for an impact player on offense to replace the aging players on that side of the ball. If it isn't Johnson then I hope it is Peterson or Landry. I almost cried when they passed on Maroney and Jackson in recent drafts.

 

[jay cee]

I don't see how they can trade up far enough to get Johnson, and still have any picks left.

 

[adamknite]

I don't see how they can trade up far enough to get Johnson, and still have any picks left.

Possibly not any next year also.

 

[TheProphet]

The only teams that were good without a great WR either ran the west coast offense or had a good defense. The NFL is a passing league and a great WR opens up the whole offense because he backs off the safeties and draws double coverage. This opens up the running game and room for the other WR and or TE.

The same is true for a great RB that sucks up the safeties. This opens up the WR's and TE to break some deep plays on play action.

On defense a great CB allows the defense to rotate toward the other side and a great pass rusher allows the DB's to only cover for shorter times.

Bottom line is that the elite players are what separate the teams. That is why I am a proponent of trading up for elite players and this year I would trade up for Johnson. The drafts have been more productive lately when Dallas was taking Newman, Williams, Ware etc..... These guys make a difference and you usually get them in the top 10.

Falling back IMHO only works when there are several that you have rated the same and can still get one by dropping back a few slots in the tier. Or, when you fleece a lousy team like Buffalo for their first in the next draft. How many of you were rooting for Buffalo that year they drafted Losman to lose every game so that we could have a high pick? That pick became Ware and he is now the cornerstone of the Defense.

I hope Jerruh makes a statement with this draft and moves up for an impact player on offense to replace the aging players on that side of the ball. If it isn't Johnson then I hope it is Peterson or Landry. I almost cried when they passed on Maroney and Jackson in recent drafts.

I still am high on the kid we just picked up out of the CFL. Let hope he pans out to be another diamond in the rough.

 

[locked&loaded]

 

[big dog cowboy]

Calvin Johnson will not be a Cowboy on draft day. The price it would take to get the #2 or 3 pick would be much to high and completely unreasonable for us to pay. Yes we need a good young WR. But then, we already knew that. Also Peterson and Landry won't be Cowboys on draft day either. The fact is if we make a trade, we will be going down not up.

 

[Yeagermeister]

TO and our 1st for Johnson

 

[mmillman]

Calvin Johnson will not be a Cowboy on draft day. The price it would take to get the #2 or 3 pick would be much to high and completely unreasonable for us to pay. Yes we need a good young WR. But then, we already knew that. Also Peterson and Landry won't be Cowboys on draft day either. The fact is if we make a trade, we will be going down not up.

yeah, that has worked so well............... for St. Louis and New England! Who got Jackson and Maroney.

I wouldn't care if it took the whole draft to move up for Johnson. He is that good and there isn't a lot of room for rookies on this team now anyway. We have what 8 or 9 picks this year? All in the last 1/4 of the round. I bet only 1/2 of them make the team. I bet only one winds up even sniffing a pro bowl. The mid range guys are a dime a dozen and the success rate around 22 stinks. 3 journeymen and one good starter don't equal an elite player. That is what Johnson will be.

 

[DBoys]

I would be thrilled if Ginn fell in our lap.

 

[tm1119]

I highly disagree and many teams have proven it time and time again that WR's arent that important. Its actually surprising to me that people still try to argue against it.

One of those teams that proves my point is a team that is very close to us. The Eagles. Besides T.O. for 1/2 season they have never had a #1 WR on their team. They made it to the NFC championship with Pinkston as their #1.

Another team is the Chargers. They went 14-2 this season with nobody at the WR postion. Their only real WR threat was their TE.

And the best example is the Patriots. They built a dynasty with no #1 recievers. You may argue that they had good recievers a few years ago, but those guys have yet to do anything on another team.

The system and the QB makes a good WR. I could probably keep going naming teams without #1 type WR's but you get the point. Yes, you do need some talent at the position, but that kind of talent can be found in FA or 3rd picks and later.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I wouldn't care if it took the whole draft to move up for Johnson.

Prepare for disappointment on draft day because he will be long gone before we are on the clock.

 

[Crown Royal]

I highly disagree and many teams have proven it time and time again that WR's arent that important. Its actually surprising to me that people still try to argue against it.

One of those teams that proves my point is a team that is very close to us. The Eagles. Besides T.O. for 1/2 season they have never had a #1 WR on their team. They made it to the NFC championship with Pinkston as their #1.

Another team is the Chargers. They went 14-2 this season with nobody at the WR postion. Their only real WR threat was their TE.

And the best example is the Patriots. They built a dynasty with no #1 recievers. You may argue that they had good recievers a few years ago, but those guys have yet to do anything on another team.

The system and the QB makes a good WR. I could probably keep going naming teams without #1 type WR's but you get the point. Yes, you do need some talent at the position, but that kind of talent can be found in FA or 3rd picks and later.

On the other hand, it took TO for the Eagles to finally get over the hump and make it to the Superbowl, and he pretty much kept them in the game.

The Chargers did crap in the playoff's - their offense is their line and the Best RB In the League. A WR would seriously help them out.

And the Pats just spent an offseason signing WRs because the position and lack of any reliable players kept them back all season.

 

[5mics]

Prepare for disappointment on draft day because he will be long gone before we are on the clock.

STOP crushing people's draft day dreams BDC! Me w/ Nelson and mm w/CJ..... Btw, who do you have us taking w/ our 1st?

 

[sago1]

I'm tired of people suggesting we tried up for CJ or Peterson. If you want to do that, then get out your draft value chart and include those picks we'd have to give up to get him. And by the way, does CJ help our defense out by getting a pass rush. CJ nor Peterson would help the Cowboys defense stop the other team and don't tell me with CJ or Peterson we are going to score every time we get the ball. If we only need that one big player (like we did Dorsett in the 70s) to put us over the hump and into the SB, then maybe Johnson/Peterson would be the man. But we did help at NT, CB, ILB, WR, OL so we need those picks to fill these positions.

 

[jackrussell]

I wouldn't care if it took the whole draft to move up for Johnson. He is that good and there isn't a lot of room for rookies on this team now anyway.

Since you have no avatar, might I suggest.........

 

[big dog cowboy]

STOP crushing people's draft day dreams BDC! Me w/ Nelson and mm w/CJ..... Btw, who do you have us taking w/ our 1st?

WR or CB. I've been on record for weeks with those. Which one? I'll leave that up to Ireland and company.

 

[GlitzCowboy]

I'll take CJ. Though the player I think most capable of taking us over the "hump" is AP. I'll say it again, to go from mediocre to exeptional at that position, literally overnight, could be the differnce in everything on the team we already have built. I just don't see a WR coming in and having the kind of impact we need at this moment for it to make much of a difference. IMO the time now is to rely on our older WRs to do what we've brought them in to do, and to do it before they get too old to do it anymore. Give us a RB and that task becomes considerably easier for them, not to mention what a premier RB could do for this team all the way across the board, including defense.

Bottom line though, CJ isn't going to be there or anywhere close to where we could get, however alot of the talk lately is that AP could find himself dropping out of the top 10. At which time we'd be stupid not to atleast try for him, imo.

 

[CF74]

The only teams that were good without a great WR either ran the west coast offense or had a good defense. The NFL is a passing league and a great WR opens up the whole offense because he backs off the safeties and draws double coverage. This opens up the running game and room for the other WR and or TE.

The same is true for a great RB that sucks up the safeties. This opens up the WR's and TE to break some deep plays on play action.

On defense a great CB allows the defense to rotate toward the other side and a great pass rusher allows the DB's to only cover for shorter times.

Bottom line is that the elite players are what separate the teams. That is why I am a proponent of trading up for elite players and this year I would trade up for Johnson. The drafts have been more productive lately when Dallas was taking Newman, Williams, Ware etc..... These guys make a difference and you usually get them in the top 10.

Falling back IMHO only works when there are several that you have rated the same and can still get one by dropping back a few slots in the tier. Or, when you fleece a lousy team like Buffalo for their first in the next draft. How many of you were rooting for Buffalo that year they drafted Losman to lose every game so that we could have a high pick? That pick became Ware and he is now the cornerstone of the Defense.

I hope Jerruh makes a statement with this draft and moves up for an impact player on offense to replace the aging players on that side of the ball. If it isn't Johnson then I hope it is Peterson or Landry. I almost cried when they passed on Maroney and Jackson in recent drafts.

I can't imagine any team trading up for a WR, everything else you said is solid.

 

[5mics]

WR or CB. I've been on record for weeks with those. Which one? I'll leave that up to Ireland and company.

Yes, BUT a name please; that way, we can fully include you in the "bashed society"....

 

[big dog cowboy]

Yes, BUT a name please; that way, we can fully include you in the "bashed society"....

No problem. Tell me who will still be there when we are on the clock. Actually I'm not big into names because I don't know all the small details like the scouts do. For example, one player may or may not fit our scheme better than another player. That is how lower rated players are drafted ahead of someone rated higher. All kind of things affect a players rating and I only know what I see on TV and read.