Why are all these elite pass rushers getting traded?

[FVSTONE]

Heard Broaddus/Voch debating this yesterday after the Garrett trade. We discussed after the Parsons trade that these elite edge rushers weren't on championship level teams. The defensive stars who have been apart of super bowl championships over the last decade or so have been those elite defensive tackles.

Really think it is all about the salary these players command. When you start to pay an edge rusher QB level type of money it really affect the team's salary cap. Just look at what Green Bay did this offseason, lost a ton of players that they couldn't afford to retain.

When you look at the DT market, the highest paid gets about 32 per year, that is pretty much the cost of the average edge rusher in today's game, where the highest paid is Will Anderson at 50 million.

All about the money and no wins! Cleveland owner finally got smart, he figured it out, his team isn't any better with an elite pass rusher, and he got a front row seat to watch his lousy Browns.

 

[Clove]

The day a salary cap into to play was the day teams couldn't pay. So, sucks that players are capped of with what they can make, these greedy, selfish, owners can make ALL THE MONEY IN THE WOLRD, and not one thing is capping them. So the switch off, they get to make money and not win a title. Hope you like that.

 

[ghst187]

They made huge mistake with that trade , and paying him way too much lol.
The only one who won that trade was parsons agent.
Cowboys won by not having to pay him 45 mil for his stupid 12 sacks a year.

I bet GB goes downhill now, not up.

Agree. Now we find out that he also had meniscus damage and won’t be ready til at least October. That’s a lot of dead money and money taken away from 3-4 other players they had to let go.
Honestly, I’ll be surprised if he ever is back to 100% and plays a full season. He was dynamic but always thought his shelf life was going to be short. GB is finding out. Plus, Getting Q was the best thing to happen to our D in a long time.

 

[JayFord]

You can be the best pass rusher in the world

If the team lacks everything else theres no reason to keep you when they could get a haul

Think commanders…..they had 4 stout dlinemen all were amazing

They let 3 go for a reason

 

[McKDaddy]

It's really as simple as there is only one position in football that can drastically change a teams trajectory. The QB. Edges are important but the marketability is what has led to this overvaluation. Like WR's & RB's there play can easily be seen and thus they get the attention. Can almost any position put a contender over the top? Yeah. For a true contender like the Rams, him taking away half a second from Darnold on pass plays might very well be the difference in home field advantage & getting to the SB this year. But that isn't true for probably 26 teams in the NFL.

 

[GINeric]

Elite passer rushers are almost useless without very good to great DTs.

 

[Acceptablename]

Heard Broaddus/Voch debating this yesterday after the Garrett trade. We discussed after the Parsons trade that these elite edge rushers weren't on championship level teams. The defensive stars who have been apart of super bowl championships over the last decade or so have been those elite defensive tackles.

Really think it is all about the salary these players command. When you start to pay an edge rusher QB level type of money it really affect the team's salary cap. Just look at what Green Bay did this offseason, lost a ton of players that they couldn't afford to retain.

When you look at the DT market, the highest paid gets about 32 per year, that is pretty much the cost of the average edge rusher in today's game, where the highest paid is Will Anderson at 50 million.

Why would a sharp team like the Rams do it.

 

[Q_the_man]

Good pass rushers paired with GREAT DT's get the job done, Great pass rushers can't get it done with Good DT's...

Stars matter, Garrett might get 25 sacks this year as the Rams will be leading majority of their games.

Over the past 3+ years we fell behind early and often which limits pass rush opportunities. We had no defensive tackles, we did not build around Parsons who by the way was on a rookie contract, SMDH. But we kept paying the offense. Lol

 

[Q_the_man]

Slow

 

[JoeKing]

They are getting traded because they are expensive to keep.

 

[Zekeats]

What do Garrett and Parsons have in common?

• Big deals
• teams not competitive in the playoffs

Crappy QB play. Especially in the playoffs.

 

[Cowboyny]

Why would a sharp team like the Rams do it.

They are known to take chances to "win now", which this moves is. Also, makes sense when Stafford retires as it frees up money.

 

[Stash]

Heard Broaddus/Voch debating this yesterday after the Garrett trade. We discussed after the Parsons trade that these elite edge rushers weren't on championship level teams. The defensive stars who have been apart of super bowl championships over the last decade or so have been those elite defensive tackles.

Really think it is all about the salary these players command. When you start to pay an edge rusher QB level type of money it really affect the team's salary cap. Just look at what Green Bay did this offseason, lost a ton of players that they couldn't afford to retain.

When you look at the DT market, the highest paid gets about 32 per year, that is pretty much the cost of the average edge rusher in today's game, where the highest paid is Will Anderson at 50 million.

Who are “all these”?

 

[Cowboyny]

I don’t see a connection

Edge is a more premium position than DT and finding an elite pass rusher is hard to find

The Rams took on massive dead money hit on a rookie contract player and brought in one of the highest paid Edges in the game.

I don’t think they did that to save money.

I disagree that they are harder to find then an elite DT, there might be less at this position then edge. Looking at past history, the last time a so called elite edge rush was apart of a super bowl winning team was probably Von Miller with the Broncos many years ago. However, Chris Jones, Donald, Vea, Carter all have won in recent years. Thinking having one of those is more impactful then an elite edge rusher.

 

[Chuck 54]

Heard Broaddus/Voch debating this yesterday after the Garrett trade. We discussed after the Parsons trade that these elite edge rushers weren't on championship level teams. The defensive stars who have been apart of super bowl championships over the last decade or so have been those elite defensive tackles.

Really think it is all about the salary these players command. When you start to pay an edge rusher QB level type of money it really affect the team's salary cap. Just look at what Green Bay did this offseason, lost a ton of players that they couldn't afford to retain.

When you look at the DT market, the highest paid gets about 32 per year, that is pretty much the cost of the average edge rusher in today's game, where the highest paid is Will Anderson at 50 million.

Everyone values the pass rushers, and it makes sense, but name the last great pass rusher who won a Super Bowl. Green Bay, with Parsons, not really close. LA might get it done with Garrett because they were already a SB fav before adding him.

If you are rebuilding, it makes sense to trade a high priced star who has the value of multiple draft picks and younger players.

 

[John813]

All about the money and no wins! Cleveland owner finally got smart, he figured it out, his team isn't any better with an elite pass rusher, and he got a front row seat to watch his lousy Browns.

IMO

I wouldn't say finally got smart when it comes to football operations for the Browns lol.

Garrett wanted out, again. The GM was allowed to move him. They moved him.
They will eat 46-47mil combined between this and next year in cap space.
They could of traded him before his extension last year, and not eaten all that real and then dead cap.

The defense for the Browns was very good, if not great. It's just that train wreck of an offense they had.

The trade gives no guarantees that the offensive can even be competent next year or the following.

 

[McKDaddy]

I disagree that they are harder to find then an elite DT, there might be less at this position then edge. Looking at past history, the last time a so called elite edge rush was apart of a super bowl winning team was probably Von Miller with the Broncos many years ago. However, Chris Jones, Donald, Vea, Carter all have won in recent years. Thinking having one of those is more impactful then an elite edge rusher.

When Browns told Eagles that Carter would have to be part of the package for Garrett, that ended the negotiations. Howie is no fool.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

Heard Broaddus/Voch debating this yesterday after the Garrett trade. We discussed after the Parsons trade that these elite edge rushers weren't on championship level teams. The defensive stars who have been apart of super bowl championships over the last decade or so have been those elite defensive tackles.

Really think it is all about the salary these players command. When you start to pay an edge rusher QB level type of money it really affect the team's salary cap. Just look at what Green Bay did this offseason, lost a ton of players that they couldn't afford to retain.

When you look at the DT market, the highest paid gets about 32 per year, that is pretty much the cost of the average edge rusher in today's game, where the highest paid is Will Anderson at 50 million.

I heard this show but the subject was first brought up on the podcast SMI Cowboys show. Nick, the host, is very interesting and very upbeat about the Cowboys while remaining realistic. It is a daily 3/4 hour long podcast. Recommended. On YT too.

As someone mentioned if the interior OL has to double team the interior DL then many times that makes the DE productive.

 

[Jarntt]

"If you have one pass rusher you have none", BP

 

[jazzcat22]

Well, both Parsons and Garrett had asked to be traded.
Garrett got paid, but the Browns are a true dumpster fire and a mess. So they traded him for a good, younger edge, still under contract for a bit and picks. When they did the restructure months back it was going to lead to a trade, but had to wait till after June 1st.

Parsons, I think under 31 other GMs would of been locked up before all that drama. But Jerry likes drama except this time it burnt bridges and he got butthurt.

Crosby, similar to the Browns. Diamond among mostly rubble. And they were going to get two first round picks, and had the 1st overall pick. Why not trade off an edge with a knee issue for 2 1st when you're 3+ years easily from being a contender?

Doubtful he would have been signed by all those 31other teams. And Micah was as much reason for the drama as Jerry.
Now would there been as much drama, probably not. But there still would have been issues with signing him for what he and his agent wanted.