Why are so many people against the 3-4?

[vlad]

I personally like it better. Ours is still a 'catalytic' player away from being dominant, and with Ellis gone I'm worried since no one else gets consistent pressure on the QB (and not just flying behind the pocket)

Just curious why so many like the 4-3. Everytime we have a bad game or someone goes down there seems to be a lot of clamoring for the 4-3 again. Not sure why...

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I believe it is just because our 3-4 does not employ any imagination in getting to the qb

 

[superpunk]

Dunno. Some people just long for the days when we had to blitz to compensate for lack of talent, Greg Ellis started his vacation in November, and the only Asian player in the NFL was our best front seven player.

Good times.

 

[stealth]

same reason I don't trust marmots. I am prejudiced

 

[Hostile]

I personally like it better. Ours is still a 'catalytic' player away from being dominant, and with Ellis gone I'm worried since no one else gets consistent pressure on the QB (and not just flying behind the pocket)

Just curious why so many like the 4-3. Everytime we have a bad game or someone goes down there seems to be a lot of clamoring for the 4-3 again. Not sure why...

Several things might factor in.

1. Parcells has not produced the way most hoped and he brought the 3-4 so people have soured on it.

2. Not getting pressure on the QBs.

3. Many old school fans relish the Doomsday I & II 4-3 schemes that produced championships.

The scheme doesn't matter. Said that when we were a 4-3 team, staying consistent. It's all about the personnel and how they execute the system.

Winning is a great deodorant.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Dunno. Some people just long for the days when we had to blitz to compensate for lack of talent, Greg Ellis started his vacation in November, and the only Asian player in the NFL was our best front seven player.

Good times.

Not really.

There are several teams with "talent" that will blitz and come up with "creative" and "unpredictable" schemes on a regular basis.

Just because you "have" talent doesn't mean you should stop being creative and just play "uncreative" and "line up and beat you mono-y-mono" football.

- Mike G.

 

[superpunk]

Not really.

There are several teams with "talent" that will blitz and come up with "creative" and "unpredictable" schemes on a regular basis.

Just because you "have" talent doesn't mean you should stop being creative and just play "uncreative" and "line up and beat you mono-y-mono" football.

- Mike G.

OK....random. I was outlining why we had send the house blitzes while running the 4-3, not why other teams do so. But, ok.

This team's in the second year of the 3-4. We have alot of young pieces. Right now Parcells is playing the percentages, and we;re getting results. If FS wasn't such a black eye the results would be phenomenal. It takes a few years for the young players and the system to be perfect. I'm great with the change.

 

[Stautner]

Several things might factor in.

1. Parcells has not produced the way most hoped and he brought the 3-4 so people have soured on it.

2. Not getting pressure on the QBs.

3. Many old school fans relish the Doomsday I & II 4-3 schemes that produced championships.

The scheme doesn't matter. Said that when we were a 4-3 team, staying consistent. It's all about the personnel and how they execute the system.

Winning is a great deodorant.

This (bold type above) is a simple truth that many don't seem to understand.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

OK....random. I was outlining why we had send the house blitzes while running the 4-3, not why other teams do so. But, ok.

This team's in the second year of the 3-4. We have alot of young pieces. Right now Parcells is playing the percentages, and we;re getting results. If FS wasn't such a black eye the results would be phenomenal. It takes a few years for the young players and the system to be perfect. I'm great with the change.

Personally, I think we are getting results from a "Quantitative" point of view. But when we watch the games (Qualitative), there seems to be a lack of a pass rush, especially against good teams.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Well, there are many reasons. The biggest and applies to most things is the fact that people are affraid of what they don't know. Dallas has always been a 4-3 defense and it's what people know. Switching to the 3-4 is unfamiliar and people don't like being out of their comfort zone. As Parcells likes to say. Lookit, we are one of the highest ranked defenses in the league yet everyone is complaining about how we should be a 4-3 defense. It's why Parcells is the coach and everyone else is just a fan.

Change is good. Without some sort of change progress doesn't happen.

 

[noshame]

I personally like it better. Ours is still a 'catalytic' player away from being dominant, and with Ellis gone I'm worried since no one else gets consistent pressure on the QB (and not just flying behind the pocket)

Just curious why so many like the 4-3. Everytime we have a bad game or someone goes down there seems to be a lot of clamoring for the 4-3 again. Not sure why...

Why?

I saw the '85 Bears, along with many great cowboy defenses.

I also saw thew 90's cowboy offenses mutilate one of the best 3-4 defenses ever. Over and over:laugh1:

 

[Doomsday]

Just seems like the same ole defense just ran out of a 3-4 instead of a 4-3. I really thought we would see more creativity out of the 3-4 scheme then we have.

 

[Stautner]

Why?

I saw the '85 Bears, along with many great cowboy defenses.

I also saw thew 90's cowboy offenses mutilate one of the best 3-4 defenses ever. Over and over:laugh1:

As Hostile said, the scheme isn't the key, it's having the right personnel and executing properly, regardless of 4-34 or 3-4.

 

[Juke99]

I'm not against it.

I'm against the way we run it.

The upside to the 3-4 is that the QB never knows where the pressure is going to come from.

For us...the pressure is...When Ware has his hand on the ground, he's rushing.

That's it.

No surprise there.

I also worry that when it will limit us with regard to the next coach. He's going to have to be 3-4 guy OR we're gonna have to scrap it and start over again.

I hated the idea of Zimmer learning it on the fly. If you're gonna run it, get a guy in here who's had experience with it.

 

[sago1]

I guess I just envisioned the Steelers defense and thought we'd be like that--aggressive and creative to bring a lot of pressure on opponents' QBs. With Ellis gone, Ware is gonna have to step it up. He may be playing better in coverage and against the run but I thought we drafted him to be our best pressure guy; I think he has maybe 5 sacks entering his 10th game, so there still certainly time for him to pick up his QB pressure and also increase his sack total. If he doesn't and Singleton/Carpenter/Glymph can't get the job done, it will be a long afternoon in Dallas.

 

[2much2soon]

I also saw thew 90's cowboy offenses mutilate one of the best 3-4 defenses ever. Over and over:laugh1:

Selective memory if you are referring to the SB with Pitt.
Beyond a few highlight reel blocks on some of Pitt's LBs early in the game, they held Dallas's running game down. Less than 4ypc if memory serves correctly.
Don't believe it? I didn't either until I went back and checked a few years ago after one of these discussions where I was taking your side of the argument.
Neil Odonnel's play was more of a factor in winning than game than taking apart their defense.

 

[ravidubey]

I personally like it better. Ours is still a 'catalytic' player away from being dominant, and with Ellis gone I'm worried since no one else gets consistent pressure on the QB (and not just flying behind the pocket)

Just curious why so many like the 4-3. Everytime we have a bad game or someone goes down there seems to be a lot of clamoring for the 4-3 again. Not sure why...

We have unimaginative coaches and either poorly-coached or outright stupid players. We draft defense every year, and every year we end up saying we are a "catalytic" player short.

The 3-4 demands a level of organizational committment and knowledge that we do not possess. Our scouts don't know the subtleties of it, our coaches know even less, and if our coaches don't know it then you know our players are flying clueless out there.


The organizations in Pittsburgh and San Diego know how to find brilliant 3-4 defensive linemen in the later rounds and regularly stock their linebacking corps with exactly the right kinds of players. Smart, big, fast, and aggressive. We are just big and maybe fast.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The organizations in Pittsburgh and San Diego know how to find brilliant 3-4 defensive linemen in the later rounds and regularly stock their linebacking corps with exactly the right kinds of players. Smart, big, fast, and aggressive. We are just big and maybe fast.

NFL Rank in Total Defense:

1. Chicago
2. Miami
3. Dallas
4. Jacksonville
5. Baltimore
6. Minnesota
7. Oakland
8. San Diego
9. New England
10. New York (Giants)
11. Pittsburgh

Wow, if they (Pitt and San Diego) know how to do it and we are ranked WELL above them and were stupid, then my god lets raze the lands and kill the animals! The world is in chaos!

 

[Hostile]

This (bold type above) is a simple truth that many don't seem to understand.

It's too bad you missed Nors.

:laugh2:

 

[ravidubey]

NFL Rank in Total Defense:

1. Chicago
2. Miami
3. Dallas
4. Jacksonville
5. Baltimore
6. Minnesota
7. Oakland
8. San Diego
9. New England
10. New York (Giants)
11. Pittsburgh

Wow, if they (Pitt and San Diego) know how to do it and we are ranked WELL above them and were stupid, then my god lets raze the lands and kill the animals! The world is in chaos!

Again, anyone who thinks these rankings mean squat is smoking dope. Oakland is 7th on that ridiculous list. What matters is what you see on the field. We get blasted backwards by good teams and rarely if ever dictate to them. Our front seven has no stamina, and our free safety exposes the weaknesses of the players around him rather than covering them up like he's supposed to.

Our strategy is to contain the other team, just like we did in the 1990's, except we don't have a powerhouse OL and multiple HOF'ers on offense pummeling the opposing defense and chewing up clock.

Our punter helped our defense tremendously early in the season (outside of his muffed snap) almost like another defender on the field, but he's been coming back to Earth lately.

We need Carpenter and Burnett to show they are something special and energize the defense like Romo did the offense.