Why couldn’t we win in 2014?

[Aerolithe_Lion]

First of the elite QBs are

Brady, Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees.

Mahomes having the potential to be the greatest quarterback of all time if his next season is even 75% as good as this 1.

Out of all the quarterbacks under 30 Dak has shown that his stats are the of over 3 years shows he has potential to easily be a hall of famer.

Took Brady and Brees a combined 19 years to reach 30 touchdown passes in a season.

It takes a lot more than stats like TD passes to be elite. Otherwise by your standards, Luck and Bortles have each thrown 40, so they lapped Dak.

By the standards you explicitly stated.

 

[Gameover]

Defense and mistakes

 

[MarcusRock]

The fact the ball never left Bryant's control until landing impact, came loose from impact still not touching the ground- and collected again makes the play absolutely irrefutable that it was a catch.

Forget the fact he caught the ball took three strides towards while switching hands and absorbing contact and lunged for the goal line to try and score (also all criteria of catch).

So you knowing the rule, can spot on video, anywhere where the ball actually touched the ground?

Consecutive frames from my own HD video. Pics big enough for you?

The ball not touching the ground was the first in a series of denials about this play. When this was disproven then it was on to the next before they too were disproven. So all that's left for catch theorists to champion is "we wuz robbed." Can't explain how we wuz robbed exactly by the rules, but expect people to trust that we wuz. Really, really wanting something and reality are often different. Clearly the case here.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

'Gameplanning against him' is true but also a woefully overrated term. Every good QB gets better the older they get. To even insinuate 2016 was his best chance is to imply you have little faith in Dak's development. It's too bad how John Elway's career went down the toilet after his rookie year once people had tape on him ;/

Never said he couldn't get better, but that usually happens in the offseason, and the accuracy hasn't gotten better since. Hopefully Kitna can improve his footwork and timing issues. As for gameplanning against Dak, it mostly has to do with he doesn't pass enough over 15 yards. His percentages aren't too bad, but the number of attempts should be higher.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Consecutive frames from my own HD video. Pics big enough for you?

The ball not touching the ground was the first in a series of denials about this play. When this was disproven then it was on to the next before they too were disproven. So all that's left for catch theorists to champion is "we wuz robbed." Can't explain how we wuz robbed exactly by the rules, but expect people to trust that we wuz. Really, really wanting something and reality are often different. Clearly the case here.

At around 20 seconds Dez arm touches the turf, so down by contact, unless that wasn't the rule back then.

 

[xwalker]

The Dez reversal was correct. Let it go. And a 2nd game with Seattle would have been a completely different game than earlier in the year. Winning twice in Seattle in the same year would have been a tall order, especially since our win was way back in Week 5. Completely different team than the one that was only 3-2 after we beat them.

Seems as if you are the only one who can’t admit it was a bad call

Didn't the NFL admit in this past year that the call was wrong?

The ex head of officiating and one of the ex refs that work for the networks have said it was a bad call.

Regardless Dez should have made certain to complete the catch because the 1st down was 100x more critical than going for the endzone.

Parcells had signs in the lockerroom when he was here that said: "Dumb players make dumb plays".

I think it was also Parcells but might have been Jimmy that said something like "Slap me if I ever try to draft another dumb player".

Dez single handedly cost fans and teammates a chance at the NFC championship game.

 

[CowboysExchange]

No number 2 receiver
No dual threat rb production
No red zone tes

A defense that couldn't stop a deep threat tight end and and offense that couldn't beat anyone deep with theirs.

It's the same problems every year. They shut down the run and we only have a #1 wr and a Great #3 spot played wr
No #4 receiver

You can't win running the exact same plays, with the same personel, and the same game plan every week. How are you supposed to be successful passing when you only have a #1 wr and a spot played #3 to move the ball. Not Enough Elite Skillsets in the 11 and 12 personnel groups. No options at the 10 personnel groups

If we woulda had a te like Gronk,Kelce, graham or a #2 like AlvinHarper, Brandin Cooks instead of Twill and Witten we could have flourished
.
Amari, Brandin Cooks, Zeke, Beasley, Gallop and any Mediocre te who COMES OFF THE FIELD on critical downs coulda won.

When You don't have 2 deep threat wrs and the defense takes the #1 away from ya you better have more than just POSSESSION receiving options.
If you don't have a couple of reliable deep threat options in your top 5 receivers you better hope the rb core can put up 2 100 yard rushers and 3 TDS on ya
No deep threat or red zone te who can score consistently
No #2 wr with an elite Skillset who can put up 8+ TDS

A prevent defense on critical 3rd and Long situations.

It's the same exact problems under Garrett. No firepower at #2 wr or Te but they just gotta get better. Terrance Williams draft pride and hanging on to other starters like Witten and Lee past their prime. Twill was never a consistent wr from the day the bus dropped him off. Here it is 5 seasons later and the little 3rd down spot played possession wr is still a better wr then the te or #2 wr.

 

[MarcusRock]

At around 20 seconds Dez arm touches the turf, so down by contact, unless that wasn't the rule back then.

When the "going to the ground" rule is in effect, that's not the rule. The ball has to survive the ground. It didn't. That's why it was ruled incomplete.

 

[tyke1doe]

Defense sucked.

 

[MarcusRock]

Didn't the NFL admit in this past year that the call was wrong?

The ex head of officiating and one of the ex refs that work for the networks have said it was a bad call.

The NFL didn't admit the call was wrong back in 2014. They simply changed the rule this past season so that plays like Dez' and Calvin Williams and Jesse James would be catches under the new rule. Not familiar with anyone who said it was a bad call but Pereira has consistently said that call was correct all along including when it happened to James and linked back to Dez' play stating what I just told the other poster above which is that by that rule, the ball has to survive the ground past the impact and it didn't. Had Dez kept the ball off the ground, it would have been a different story. He could have bobbled the ball 20 times before grasping it and it would have been a catch.

 

[blumayne38]

Didn't the NFL admit in this past year that the call was wrong?

The ex head of officiating and one of the ex refs that work for the networks have said it was a bad call.

Regardless Dez should have made certain to complete the catch because the 1st down was 100x more critical than going for the endzone.

Parcells had signs in the lockerroom when he was here that said: "Dumb players make dumb plays".

I think it was also Parcells but might have been Jimmy that said something like "Slap me if I ever try to draft another dumb player".

Dez single handedly cost fans and teammates a chance at the NFC championship game.

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow!

 

[blumayne38]

Consecutive frames from my own HD video. Pics big enough for you?

The ball not touching the ground was the first in a series of denials about this play. When this was disproven then it was on to the next before they too were disproven. So all that's left for catch theorists to champion is "we wuz robbed." Can't explain how we wuz robbed exactly by the rules, but expect people to trust that we wuz. Really, really wanting something and reality are often different. Clearly the case here.

All that photo shows is if it wasn’t a TD then he was down at the 1 yard line, because he had made 2-3 “football moves” before lunging for the end zone. The official right next to him in the side line even hit the ground at the 1 yrd line because he saw it like every other person did a catch and then a lundge for the end zone. How some people can’t admit this is beyond me...

 

[MarcusRock]

All that photo shows is if it wasn’t a TD then he was down at the 1 yard line, because he had made 2-3 “football moves” before lunging for the end zone. The official right next to him in the side line even hit the ground at the 1 yrd line because he saw it like every other person did a catch and then a lundge for the end zone. How some people can’t admit this is beyond me...

You don't know the rule from then. When going to the ground is applied, all that football move stuff goes away and the ball surviving the ground takes precedence. This is why even though Dez clearly took 3 steps, it meant nothing. It does today, but not then. The only thing that would have gotten him out of the going to the ground rule was a lunge and Dez didn't execute. He intended it, but to say that looks anything like a proper lunge where the ball is all the way forward is pure hoped for fantasy. On the broadcast, Pereira even said before the reversal that the call would be reversed. Was he in on the CONSPIRACY! too? He knew what he was looking at.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

The NFL didn't admit the call was wrong back in 2014. They simply changed the rule this past season so that plays like Dez' and Calvin Williams and Jesse James would be catches under the new rule. Not familiar with anyone who said it was a bad call but Pereira has consistently said that call was correct all along including when it happened to James and linked back to Dez' play stating what I just told the other poster above which is that by that rule, the ball has to survive the ground past the impact and it didn't. Had Dez kept the ball off the ground, it would have been a different story. He could have bobbled the ball 20 times before grasping it and it would have been a catch.

Three years later, the NFL now says Cowboys' Dez Bryant did, in fact, catch it
https://www.nbcsports.com/washingto...now-says-cowboys-dez-bryant-did-fact-catch-it

 

[blumayne38]

You don't know the rule from then. When going to the ground is applied, all that football move stuff goes away and the ball surviving the ground takes precedence. This is why even though Dez clearly took 3 steps, it meant nothing. It does today, but not then. The only thing that would have gotten him out of the going to the ground rule was a lunge and Dez didn't execute. He intended it, but to say that looks anything like a proper lunge where the ball is all the way forward is pure hoped for fantasy. On the broadcast, Pereira even said before the reversal that the call would be reversed. Was he in on the CONSPIRACY! too? He knew what he was looking at.

He has the ball and it’s cuffed in his hand and forearm it was plain as day it was a catch then and it’s a catch now, everything you said in you’re statement is just trying hard to make it not a catch. The same way they tried hard to reverse it and were successful.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

when Romo and Witten we’re finally good enough and done partying. Murray and Dez weren’t.

 

[Blackspider214]

People forget how botched the end of the 1st half was. We were driving to go up 2 scores. We looked to have a 1st down and then didn't. So on 3rd and 1 we go deep. Lame. Bailey missed a long FG and GB gets 3 off that miss.

Also, after going up 21-13, GB fumbled the ensuing kickoff. We had a guy with a clear easy recovery. Then plops on it and bounces off and GB recovers. We could have had the ball up 21-13 at about GB's 30.

We gave up a TD on a 3rd and very long in the 2nd half. Defense was atrocious on the 2nd half. We allow them to go 80 and 90 for TDs with ease. Allow them to convert 4 third downs on the Dez catch/no catch play and kept the ball the rest of the game to end it.

 

[blumayne38]

You don't know the rule from then. When going to the ground is applied, all that football move stuff goes away and the ball surviving the ground takes precedence. This is why even though Dez clearly took 3 steps, it meant nothing. It does today, but not then. The only thing that would have gotten him out of the going to the ground rule was a lunge and Dez didn't execute. He intended it, but to say that looks anything like a proper lunge where the ball is all the way forward is pure hoped for fantasy. On the broadcast, Pereira even said before the reversal that the call would be reversed. Was he in on the CONSPIRACY! too? He knew what he was looking at.

That alone makes you’re statment non credible

 

[mmohican29]

Consecutive frames from my own HD video. Pics big enough for you?

The ball not touching the ground was the first in a series of denials about this play. When this was disproven then it was on to the next before they too were disproven. So all that's left for catch theorists to champion is "we wuz robbed." Can't explain how we wuz robbed exactly by the rules, but expect people to trust that we wuz. Really, really wanting something and reality are often different. Clearly the case here.

You might have a mutually exclusive point if the ball was on the ground loose without Bryant's wrapped around the point crunching it back upward and onto his forearm and shoulder. The ball technically never touches the ground without Bryant's control.

Add in the rest of the play sequence and this is a clear catch, 100%. I don't give 2 birdshits about your stand alone opinion.

 

[Gator88]

People forget how botched the end of the 1st half was. We were driving to go up 2 scores. We looked to have a 1st down and then didn't. So on 3rd and 1 we go deep. Lame. Bailey missed a long FG and GB gets 3 off that miss.

Also, after going up 21-13, GB fumbled the ensuing kickoff. We had a guy with a clear easy recovery. Then plops on it and bounces off and GB recovers. We could have had the ball up 21-13 at about GB's 30.

We gave up a TD on a 3rd and very long in the 2nd half. Defense was atrocious on the 2nd half. We allow them to go 80 and 90 for TDs with ease. Allow them to convert 4 third downs on the Dez catch/no catch play and kept the ball the rest of the game to end it.

On that drive for GB at the end of the first half, they had a 3rd down play where it was ruled a catch and was one of the easiest overturns I've seen in my life, it was infinitely more clear than the play that happened with Dez. Naturally they let the call stand.