Why DAL and OAK both win this trade

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Back in the NFL draft of 2018 DAL decided to take a LB knowing it had no WR1.
Fans badly wanted Calvin Ridley not some hayseed LB who has never seen a parking garage before.
But as can be the case, NFL Teams are smarter than fans and those players went to optimal situations.

Calvin Ridley joined the Falcons which now have the best WR corps(Rams have an argument here but a lot of that is scheme) in football. ATL has fairly poor defense but pass it 65% of the time and pass to win. Ridley's the most polished WR2 type prospect to enter the league in a decade. But you put him with a true WR1 like Julio Jones and all warts are now pluses.

By the same token DAL drafted what felt like a reach in LVE but he was that 3rd LB to play 2 every down spots they wanted to protect versus injury and provide additional freakish athleticism. He has quickly become a top notch LB who can cover, tackles everything in his area and guards against the non-stop injuries that plague smallish Sean Lee. DAL wouldn't be rated as highly on defense without him and they are playing base entirely upon defense winning them games.

So even tho ATL could have used LVE and DAL could have used Ridley, neither would be as impressive had they swapped homes. Both teams excelled out of that draft choice.

The same may very well happen with this Cooper for a 1st trade.

DAL has hit on R1 at an incredible rate and they hoard draft picks in general. Deuces to Anthony Hitchens and Demarco Murray hello comp picks (hopefully in Hitchens case). In those cases DAL very clearly had ap lan to UPGRADE over what seemed to be star level talent. Hitchens is good but LVE looks better. Murray was great but Zeke is even better.
DAL fired Dez after injuries robbed his speed and athleticism emotional distress robbed his focus. But he was never going to be replaced in the draft as there simply wasn't a 6'2" 230 pound guy that catches everything and jumps out of the gym available in the class. So they kick the can a year right? Well it looks like 2019 was also not providing that top 15 type WR. There are some solid prospects but nothing Ring of Honor worthy. Yet that type of WR became available via trade as Gruden wants to totally reshape that OAK team in his own mold. He wants to free up all the cap space and draft his own guys. So a 2 time Pro Bowler becomes available. One who happens to run the same dated 1980 offense we see failing in DAL. So in a lot of ways DAL traded as 2019 1st for a 2018 1st. They are getting the guy 9 games this year at 24 hitting the ground running. He has experience, a proven track record and yes known worries. But he also has the type of size and speed combo you simply weren't getting in the draft. 4.2 40 time and 6'1" 211 pounds. He also has elite quickness in the 3 come and shuffle drills. There is a reason he went 4th overall as a WR. The highest WR selection since he came out in 2015.

OAK on the other hand appreciates Cooper's talent but has no desire to win this year. Gruden wants to totally rebuild that thing in his image. He's the GM and guru there and he wants to go pick out his own groceries. His team is tanking. For him to get what seems like a middle of the draft R1 to add to an insane draft haul already allows him to be build one final dynasty that can stretch as long as his career. He can set himself up for a final 5 or 6 years of excellence.

So for DAL you get the rare talent at WR who can be the Dez replacement and play the X position as the offense calls for it. Dak gets a huge boost as now there is no question. You bring heat and he can hit either Cooper or Beasley. You wanna cheat Earl Thomas over one guy then he goes to other other. You DAk has issues making 3 or 4 receiver reads and thus holds the ball too long. Wanna fix that? How about a guy how is top 15 in the NFL in yards of separation? Now you have Swain, Beasley and Cooper all getting open right now. A stat that isn't often discussed with DAL is how poor they are in yards after catch at WR. Cooper would easily lead the team at 5 yards per catch gained after the catch. That almost doubles Beasley as DAL top after catch gainer. In fact in many ways Cooper is simply a taller, bigger Beasley. He is the same quick twitch guy that is impossible to cover 1v1. And Beasley is the guy Dak chose as his guy. That's the style WR he likes so he isn't asked to take chances that end up as INTs. In fact with Cooper, Beasley and Gallup you now have basically the perfect Dak WR corps. 2 quick twitch get open now players and a rookie with excellent deep ball skills where if you continue to guard him with a CB2 or CB3 he is going to eat you up on big plays.

All in all last year I thought Philly sold out in an attempt to win it all but I begrudgingly had to credit those scumsuckers with setting a tone that said we are here to win. They did and that worked. They ended their lifelong Lombardi drought. DAL in many ways has been too conservative. I mean look both ways then wait 5 more mins, skipping crosswalk signs for all traffic to be totally off the street before you cross conservative.
This changes that. This signals the front office believes in this team. Maybe they are crazy to but I'd have told you were crazier than Nicholson in The Shining had you told me Nick Foles would beat Tom Brady in a Super Bowl. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. DAL just fired a missle. Now we sit back and wait to see if it hits. OAK likewise has to sit back and wait. An even longer wait but a much better bet.All htos edraf tpicks and all that losing this year should pay off too in 2020 or so. DAL has design son 2018 still, they made this much clear.
 
An like was automatic for the parking garage sentence LOL.

It helps out both teams.

Oakland has 3 first rounders to retool quickly, potentially, and Dallas now has a #1, but how high of a #1 is still debatable.

For all I care Las Vegas can crash and burn but I hope this trade provides long term success for us at WR.
 
Back in the NFL draft of 2018 DAL decided to take a LB knowing it had no WR1.
Fans badly wanted Calvin Ridley not some hayseed LB who has never seen a parking garage before.
But as can be the case, NFL Teams are smarter than fans and those players went to optimal situations.

Calvin Ridley joined the Falcons which now have the best WR corps(Rams have an argument here but a lot of that is scheme) in football. ATL has fairly poor defense but pass it 65% of the time and pass to win. Ridley's the most polished WR2 type prospect to enter the league in a decade. But you put him with a true WR1 like Julio Jones and all warts are now pluses.

By the same token DAL drafted what felt like a reach in LVE but he was that 3rd LB to play 2 every down spots they wanted to protect versus injury and provide additional freakish athleticism. He has quickly become a top notch LB who can cover, tackles everything in his area and guards against the non-stop injuries that plague smallish Sean Lee. DAL wouldn't be rated as highly on defense without him and they are playing base entirely upon defense winning them games.

So even tho ATL could have used LVE and DAL could have used Ridley, neither would be as impressive had they swapped homes. Both teams excelled out of that draft choice.

The same may very well happen with this Cooper for a 1st trade.

DAL has hit on R1 at an incredible rate and they hoard draft picks in general. Deuces to Anthony Hitchens and Demarco Murray hello comp picks (hopefully in Hitchens case). In those cases DAL very clearly had ap lan to UPGRADE over what seemed to be star level talent. Hitchens is good but LVE looks better. Murray was great but Zeke is even better.
DAL fired Dez after injuries robbed his speed and athleticism emotional distress robbed his focus. But he was never going to be replaced in the draft as there simply wasn't a 6'2" 230 pound guy that catches everything and jumps out of the gym available in the class. So they kick the can a year right? Well it looks like 2019 was also not providing that top 15 type WR. There are some solid prospects but nothing Ring of Honor worthy. Yet that type of WR became available via trade as Gruden wants to totally reshape that OAK team in his own mold. He wants to free up all the cap space and draft his own guys. So a 2 time Pro Bowler becomes available. One who happens to run the same dated 1980 offense we see failing in DAL. So in a lot of ways DAL traded as 2019 1st for a 2018 1st. They are getting the guy 9 games this year at 24 hitting the ground running. He has experience, a proven track record and yes known worries. But he also has the type of size and speed combo you simply weren't getting in the draft. 4.2 40 time and 6'1" 211 pounds. He also has elite quickness in the 3 come and shuffle drills. There is a reason he went 4th overall as a WR. The highest WR selection since he came out in 2015.

OAK on the other hand appreciates Cooper's talent but has no desire to win this year. Gruden wants to totally rebuild that thing in his image. He's the GM and guru there and he wants to go pick out his own groceries. His team is tanking. For him to get what seems like a middle of the draft R1 to add to an insane draft haul already allows him to be build one final dynasty that can stretch as long as his career. He can set himself up for a final 5 or 6 years of excellence.

So for DAL you get the rare talent at WR who can be the Dez replacement and play the X position as the offense calls for it. Dak gets a huge boost as now there is no question. You bring heat and he can hit either Cooper or Beasley. You wanna cheat Earl Thomas over one guy then he goes to other other. You DAk has issues making 3 or 4 receiver reads and thus holds the ball too long. Wanna fix that? How about a guy how is top 15 in the NFL in yards of separation? Now you have Swain, Beasley and Cooper all getting open right now. A stat that isn't often discussed with DAL is how poor they are in yards after catch at WR. Cooper would easily lead the team at 5 yards per catch gained after the catch. That almost doubles Beasley as DAL top after catch gainer. In fact in many ways Cooper is simply a taller, bigger Beasley. He is the same quick twitch guy that is impossible to cover 1v1. And Beasley is the guy Dak chose as his guy. That's the style WR he likes so he isn't asked to take chances that end up as INTs. In fact with Cooper, Beasley and Gallup you now have basically the perfect Dak WR corps. 2 quick twitch get open now players and a rookie with excellent deep ball skills where if you continue to guard him with a CB2 or CB3 he is going to eat you up on big plays.

All in all last year I thought Philly sold out in an attempt to win it all but I begrudgingly had to credit those scumsuckers with setting a tone that said we are here to win. They did and that worked. They ended their lifelong Lombardi drought. DAL in many ways has been too conservative. I mean look both ways then wait 5 more mins, skipping crosswalk signs for all traffic to be totally off the street before you cross conservative.
This changes that. This signals the front office believes in this team. Maybe they are crazy to but I'd have told you were crazier than Nicholson in The Shining had you told me Nick Foles would beat Tom Brady in a Super Bowl. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. DAL just fired a missle. Now we sit back and wait to see if it hits. OAK likewise has to sit back and wait. An even longer wait but a much better bet.All htos edraf tpicks and all that losing this year should pay off too in 2020 or so. DAL has design son 2018 still, they made this much clear.
From your last paragraph, you make a faulty assumption. Yes Philly “went for it” last year and it paid off. But they have a real HC and GM. That’s HUGE. We have a 76 year old huckster and circus barker as GM and his puppet coach. Big difference.
 
I did not like Ridley as a prospect. Cooper > Ridley imo.

With that said Cooper is only 6 months older than Ridley. So if you wanted Ridley in the first you should not have a huge problem with this trade.

I just do not think this offense is going to make the most of this and a 1st was too much.

Hated this yesterday and now I just don't like it.
 
I did not like Ridley as a prospect. Cooper > Ridley imo.

With that said Cooper is only 6 months older than Ridley. So if you wanted Ridley in the first you should not have a huge problem with this trade.

I just do not think this offense is going to make the most of this and a 1st was too much.

Hated this yesterday and now I just don't like it.

I'm starting to feel better about it too... whether or not it changes things with the QB's effectiveness and the OL's ability to block remains to be seen but this team does need receiver help.
 
From your last paragraph, you make a faulty assumption. Yes Philly “went for it” last year and it paid off. But they have a real HC and GM. That’s HUGE. We have a 76 year old huckster and circus barker as GM and his puppet coach. Big difference.
Actually I made no sort of assumption at all.
I simply indicated I felt Philly was nuts to go all in thinking they could win a Super Bowl with those QBs last year. (I made that point many times in this forum btw and was simply proven wrong)
I acknowledged DAL may be crazy here to believe in this team so not sure what your actual grip is other than a deep-seated need to complain about the team thus any thread with any amount of positivity at all.
Last I checked Philly has the same record as DAL this year with less draft picks and far less cap space going forward. Are we sure its DAL with the terrible GM?
 
Very nice post and well thought out OP! Respect

I’m not sure I believe it though! My issues with a 1st for Cooper is a few fold 1) I’m not even sure WR1 is our greatest need considering the offense is so poorly thought out that we have no idea what will work. I found the move desperate 7 games in. Basically “don’t fix the offense, we will try to add to it.” 2) Yes Cooper is 24 but he already has some worn treads with concussions and his drop off last year 3) If this doesn’t work and we do get rid of JG we will have a new guy with no high 1st Rounder to build what you want! It’s strange to me that there was an automatic assumption we’d take WR1 in the next draft with our best up line, etc
 
Until this trade I had almost given up on the season. Per this video abour 2:45 in Cooper was the one offensive weapon the Raiders had that opponents worried about. If you couple that with our running game I think it should really help open things up.

 
We also have Gallup who is starting to come into his own. Cooper is more explosive than any receiver we have and than Dez was. Cooper is going to get open ALOT. That alone is going to naturally make Dak look his way. He is more explosive than Beasley. If you think Beasley can get open wait until you see Cooper. Beasley plays in the slot and can use more field to pry himself open , Cooper is going to get open whereever he is. He will get open in a phone booth. If he is healthy, his ability is going to show
 
He has to prove it, prove it was a good move. A couple decades of mediocrity doesn't inspire much faith and it's going to require proof. I read similar threads during the off season trying to explain why those moves would work too. I will root for Cooper to play well the same way I root for Dak to play well, hope for the best, but there are issues that are a concern with both.
 
I think I'd reword the OP title to
"How Oakland won this trade and, if all goes well, Dallas might too!"

I noted OAK played the safer bet but it had the longer wait on pay off and of course the draft hasn't been automatic for OAK.
We won't be waiting very long to know if DAL does well in this trade or not.

At the end of the day you can't fault the franchise for finally doing something aggressive.
Send a message to the team and to the coach. "We are no longer afraid of failure but instead chase success" or whatever exact line McVay used.

That in and of itself a win. DAL just changed the bye week narrative to a team going out to win this bad division from 75 team tank threads.
 
Or it could be a win for the raiders if they get a good draft pick and a lose if Cooper does not pan out for us.

Or it could be a lose lose if Cooper does not pan out for us and the Raiders waste the draft pick we give them.

Or it could be a lose for them if they waste the pick and a win for us if he pans out.
 
We're always hopeful at this stage of a process. And then reality sets in.
By the end of the year, we'll be back to where we generally return or have returned lo these past 20 years. :(
 

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