Why did it take so long to get Roy some help?

[Bleed Blue]

If early returns mean anything,Roy might be lovin some Hamlin this year.I know the crap Roy has suffered since #28 played his last down. Roy did have 5 Ints as a rookie,but for his specific talents has been asked to do too much in coverage in years past. Can Roy cover? Yes,but that's not his strong suit and we all know it. If Ken can set Roy free this year we will all see the dirty little cloud hovering over our pro-bowl SS finally disappear.

 

[iceberg]

If early returns mean anything,Roy might be lovin some Hamlin this year.I know the crap Roy has suffered since #28 played his last down. Roy did have 5 Ints as a rookie,but for his specific talents has been asked to do too much in coverage in years past. Can Roy cover? Yes,but that's not his strong suit and we all know it. If Ken can set Roy free this year we will all see the dirty little cloud hovering over our pro-bowl SS finally disappear.

cause parcells caters to his system, not his players.

 

[Ashwynn]

Agree Iceberg, One word answer, Parcells.

 

[WR17]

Lol, it was Parcells fault that Roy looked lost out there? You guys make me laugh. While were at it, lets blame world hunger and poverty on Bill. In Keyshawn Johnsons words "Parcells was too mean to his players"

 

[BigDFan5]

Lol, it was Parcells fault that Roy looked lost out there? You guys make me laugh. While were at it, lets blame world hunger and poverty on Bill. In Keyshawn Johnsons words "Parcells was too mean to his players"

So then you believe Parcells played Roy to his strengths instead of playing Roy to fit in Parcells systems?

So in your opinion coverage as a cover 2 safety is Roys strength?

 

[locked&loaded]

So then you believe Parcells played Roy to his strengths instead of playing Roy to fit in Parcells systems?

So in your opinion coverage as a cover 2 safety is Roys strength?

Just because roy is an all star, doesnt mean we should build the defense around him. It is expected for a safety to be able to cover. You cant put all the blame on parcells.

 

[BigDFan5]

Just because roy is an all star, doesnt mean we should build the defense around him. It is expected for a safety to be able to cover. You cant put all the blame on parcells.

Yes you should play to your best players strengths 100% times yes


and Roy CAN cover he is not as bad as some people make him out to be, but it is not his strength. Why not play him to his strenths some instead of forcing him into situations where his best skills are not utilized

These decisions are absolutely Parcells fault

 

[Smashmouth24]

When Roy is the best cover safety you have, you have to use him in that way. Playing to their 'strengths' sounds like a fine idea, unless nobody possesses the 'strength' of covering receivers down field. It remains to be seen if it is a 'strength' of Hamlin's.

 

[Ashwynn]

Just because roy is an all star, doesnt mean we should build the defense around him. It is expected for a safety to be able to cover. You cant put all the blame on parcells.

Yes you can. When you know that Roy is a LOS player, why do you ask him to cover deep? Sure hes a saftey. But hes a Strong Saftey, not a Free Saftey. Hes a run support, cover a tight end peeling off kinda player. Why not use him as such and make the team better? The players could not execute his system to make it work. When that happens, a good coach will change his scheme to allow the players to execute it. Dumb it down if you wanna call it that. What ever it takes, but you play to your players strengths, or your not a good coach.

 

[5Stars]

Yes you should play to your best players strengths 100% times yes


and Roy CAN cover he is not as bad as some people make him out to be, but it is not his strength. Why not play him to his strenths some instead of forcing him into situations where his best skills are not utilized

These decisions are absolutely Parcells fault

Parcells is the debil himself! He eats guinna pigs, too! (if i mispelled "guinna", what i mean is them little furry pigs)...


Carry on...

 

[Yakuza Rich]

If early returns mean anything,Roy might be lovin some Hamlin this year.I know the crap Roy has suffered since #28 played his last down. Roy did have 5 Ints as a rookie,but for his specific talents has been asked to do too much in coverage in years past. Can Roy cover? Yes,but that's not his strong suit and we all know it. If Ken can set Roy free this year we will all see the dirty little cloud hovering over our pro-bowl SS finally disappear.

We had bigger needs.

Part of the problem that people don't realize is that Parcells had to make a MAJOR overhaul of the offense. There's only 2 starters from the Campo offense that are still on the team (Flozell & Gurode). People don't understand that while Parcells did help coach the defense, he focused most of his efforts on the offense. Offenses usually don't get dramatically better after one season. A good offense is usually one that progressed over a few years to get to the point it is at today. Parcells probably knew that, so when he took over Dallas' awful offense he knew he it was going to take probably 3-4 years.

Also, he wanted to change to the 3-4 which means overhauling the front seven. Dexter Coakley and Dat Nguyen were good players in the old scheme, but even in their primes they wouldn't fit into a 3-4, especially Parcells' since the ILB's take on guards quite a bit.

It would've been nice to see him get a better compliment at safety sooner, but he did have a lot of other work to do. Plus, the league has shown you can get quality safeties in later rounds, even undrafted ones at times. So I can understand why it took awhile.




YAKUZA

 

[smarta5150]

We should have picked up Sharper before the Vikes a few years back when he hit the market.

He leads active players with 44 INTs since 2000-something.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

Is Hamlin playing tonight?

 

[iceberg]

Lol, it was Parcells fault that Roy looked lost out there? You guys make me laugh. While were at it, lets blame world hunger and poverty on Bill. In Keyshawn Johnsons words "Parcells was too mean to his players"

oh stop the run for the drama border. parcells can and does play his schemes vs. letting players do what they do. this *fact* is not a slam and he's done well with it in his career. but does it work for EVERYBODY?

no. it's just that simple so stop the instant extreme, (just add stupidity) and just realize some players may not have done as well under parcells that may do better now. some may also fall due to phillips style. it's the way of the world, not a slam. GET OVER IT.

We had bigger needs.

Part of the problem that people don't realize is that Parcells had to make a MAJOR overhaul of the offense. There's only 2 starters from the Campo offense that are still on the team (Flozell & Gurode). People don't understand that while Parcells did help coach the defense, he focused most of his efforts on the offense. Offenses usually don't get dramatically better after one season. A good offense is usually one that progressed over a few years to get to the point it is at today. Parcells probably knew that, so when he took over Dallas' awful offense he knew he it was going to take probably 3-4 years.

Also, he wanted to change to the 3-4 which means overhauling the front seven. Dexter Coakley and Dat Nguyen were good players in the old scheme, but even in their primes they wouldn't fit into a 3-4, especially Parcells' since the ILB's take on guards quite a bit.

It would've been nice to see him get a better compliment at safety sooner, but he did have a lot of other work to do. Plus, the league has shown you can get quality safeties in later rounds, even undrafted ones at times. So I can understand why it took awhile.
YAKUZA

these are some of the best points made on the topic. reasonable, middle of the road, sees all sides and not just "out to get" or "gotta defend" modes.

good points, yakuza.

 

[BigDFan5]

Is Hamlin playing tonight?

yes he is

 

[WR17]

So then you believe Parcells played Roy to his strengths instead of playing Roy to fit in Parcells systems?

So in your opinion coverage as a cover 2 safety is Roys strength?

Right its so hard for Roy to play Cover 2 right? A guy whos drafted in the top 10 of a draft can't execute one of the premier defensive plays of the league. Oh geez that big bad Parcells. It totally wasn't his fault that maybe Roy is just a lazy arse who doesn't work hard at improving his mistakes. Everything was Parcells fault.

 

[iceberg]

Right its so hard for Roy to play Cover 2 right? A guy whos drafted in the top 10 of a draft can't execute one of the premier defensive plays of the league. Oh geez that big bad Parcells. It totally wasn't his fault that maybe Roy is just a lazy arse who doesn't work hard at improving his mistakes. Everything was Parcells fault.

look drama boy - NO ONE SAID it was all parcells fault, did they? no. so stop inventing arguments no one is making.

what we are saying is parcells plays a scheme where roy plays more on instinct. he just won't be as good playing in a manner that doesn't let him be "him".

that's all. that's it. nothing more nothing less and no one but YOU has said "bad parcells" (at least i sure haven't) - just different techniques allows players to repsond differently.

catch the difference here?

 

[BigDFan5]

Right its so hard for Roy to play Cover 2 right? A guy whos drafted in the top 10 of a draft can't execute one of the premier defensive plays of the league. Oh geez that big bad Parcells. It totally wasn't his fault that maybe Roy is just a lazy arse who doesn't work hard at improving his mistakes. Everything was Parcells fault.

Your draft position does not mean you can do every single thing great. He was a high pick because of what he did in college (guess what he didnt play cover 2 in college!!!)

So they chose him because of his impact near the line of scrimmage, he plays great until Parcells shows up and makes him play a position he does not excell at. Parcells should have put the player in the best position to succeed that is his job as head coach, at times he failed.

 

[Howley54]

Right its so hard for Roy to play Cover 2 right? A guy whos drafted in the top 10 of a draft can't execute one of the premier defensive plays of the league. Oh geez that big bad Parcells. It totally wasn't his fault that maybe Roy is just a lazy arse who doesn't work hard at improving his mistakes. Everything was Parcells fault.

On the other hand, we're supposed to believe that RW is just completely unable to play in a cover 2 D, but Parcells just refused to bench him, in spite of a glut of true strong safety types on the roster? You can't have it both ways.

 

[BigDFan5]

On the other hand, we're supposed to believe that RW is just completely unable to play in a cover 2 D, but Parcells just refused to bench him, in spite of a glut of true strong safety types on the roster? You can't have it both ways.

to the forum, love the name. I hope this is Chuck's year to make the HOF