Why disguise and confusion is no problem for Cowboys Dak Prescott

[Johannes44]

He is on the perfect team for a QB like him

The Cowboys of today are essentially like Soufflé, delicate and will collapse if everything isn't perfect.

 

[DarkVader33]

Come on, we have people who instantly blamed his fiancee for being a golddigger as soon as they heard the wedding was off. No idea who's fault it was but instantly dumped on her.

You didn’t see all the posters dumping on him without facts?

 

[DallasEast]

So after all that you agree that he wasn't in the running? That was my entire point. I'm not sure why you posted everything else.

I never disagreed with you. In fact, the information supports your comment. You may have misunderstood why I said there was no reason to only say quarterbacks have never won while playing on a losing team. In truth, your comment is underscored by the same principle applying to all players also.

All the information I posted was for other members to consume, too. It would help with anyone believing your comment may not have been accurate throughout the history of the MVP award. The forum can also be used to enlighten its members with relevant data connected to any talking point.

Finally, as I mentioned earlier, I had already said what you are saying now well before last season ended.

 

[DarkVader33]

What ever happened to you are what your record says you are?

Parcells was referring to teams

 

[GINeric]

There are no absolutes. You can't blame them all and you can't give all of them a pass. Last year, Dak gets a pass. No QB could have won with that team. But that hasn't always been the case.

Yet Dak got blamed by many here for last season. I agree with your post though.

 

[GINeric]

There are constants. On the field, it's Dak.

On the field its Dak and 52 other players with 22+ players playing in those games.

 

[Rockport]

The Cowboys of today are essentially like Soufflé, delicate and will collapse if everything isn't perfect.

Like every other NFL team.

 

[ShortRound]

You should know. I've read a few of your posts. They're not exactly milestones in post history.

Wait a minute they got a new recruit? Lol

 

[kskboys]

Labeling someone doesn't disprove their position. It's simply trying to disparage someone rather than their argument.

And that he's not capable of.

 

[jball]

My argument im this debate ended the day he was signed to this big contract.

A believer, non-believer, or still undecided, it just doesn't matter anymore.

"It just doesn't matter", It just doesn't matter", it just doesn't......

We could play so far over our heads that our noses bleed for a week

 

[Vtwin]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/awards/ap-nfl-mvp-award.htm

There is no need to single out the quarterback position as the qualifier. No NFL Most Valuable Player has ever played on a losing team. This is why a handful of members (including myself) emphasized the likelihood of Dak Prescott winning the award last season, during the season, was extremely remote.

The Associated Press votes for the award. The AP is made up of people. People's perceptions dictate who gets ANY award. And perceptions take in the entire team's efforts along with the player. Any casual knowledge of how players have always been named MVP would have tempered expectations. Or it should have.

Both Brett Favre and Barry Sanders are the only two players named MVP who played on teams that finished the regular season closest to 0.500 or below. Their respective teams finished 9-7 in back-to-back regular seasons.

1957, FB, Jim Brown, Cleveland Browns 9-2-1 (0.818)
1958, FB, Jim Brown, Cleveland Browns 9-3-0 (0.750)
1959, QB, Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts 9-3-0 (0.750)
1961, HB, Paul Hornung, Green Bay Packers 11-3-0 (0.786)
1962, FB, Jim Taylor, Green Bay Packers 13-1-0 (0.929)
1963, QB, Y.A. Tittle, New York Giants 11-3-0 (0.786)
1964, QB, Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts 12-2-0 (0.857)
1965, FB, Jim Brown, Cleveland Browns 11-3-0 (0.786)
1966, QB, Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers 12-2-0 (0.857)
1967, QB, Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts 11-1-2 (0.917)
1968, QB, Earl Morrall, Baltimore Colts 13-1-0 (0.929)
1969, QB, Roman Gabriel, Los Angeles Rams 11-3-0 (0.786)
1970, QB, John Brodie, San Francisco 49ers 10-3-1 (0.769)
1971, RDT, Alan Page, Minnesota Vikings 11-3-0 (0.786)
1972, RB, Larry Brown, Washington Commanders 11-3-0 (0.786)
1973, RB, O.J. Simpson, Buffalo Bills 9-5-0 (0.643)
1974, QB, Ken Stabler, Oakland Raiders 12-2-0 (0.857)
1975, QB, Fran Tarkenton, Minnesota Vikings 12-2-0 (0.857)
1976, QB, Bert Jones, Baltimore Colts 11-3-0 (0.786)
1977, RB, Walter Payton, Chicago Bears 9-5-0 (0.643)
1978, QB, Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers 14-2-0 (0.875)
1979, RB, Earl Campbell, Houston Oilers 11-5-0 (0.688)
1980, QB, Brian Sipe, Cleveland Browns 11-5-0 (0.688)
1981, QB, Ken Anderson, Cincinnati Bengals 12-4-0 (0.750)
1982, K, Mark Moseley, Washington Commanders 8-1-0 (0.889)
1983, QB, Joe Theismann, Washington Commanders 14-2-0 (0.875)
1984, QB, Dan Marino, Miami Dolphins 14-2-0 (0.875)
1985, RB, Marcus Allen, Los Angeles Raiders 12-4-0 (0.750)
1986, ROLB, Lawrence Taylor, New York Giants 14-2-0 (0.875)
1987, QB, John Elway, Denver Broncos 10-4-1 (0.700)
1988, QB, Boomer Esiason, Cincinnati Bengals 12-4-0 (0.750)
1989, QB, Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers 14-2-0 (0.875)
1990, QB, Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers 14-2-0 (0.875)
1991, RB, Thurman Thomas, Buffalo Bills 13-3-0 (0.813)
1992, QB, Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers 14-2-0 (0.875)
1993, RB, Emmitt Smith, Dallas Cowboys 12-4-0 (0.750)
1994, QB, Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers 13-3-0 (0.813)
1995, QB, Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers 11-5-0 (0.688)
1996, QB, Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers 9-7-0 (0.563)
1997, RB, Barry Sanders, Detroit Lions 9-7-0 (0.563)
1997, QB, Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers 13-3-0 (0.813)
1998, RB, Terrell Davis, Denver Broncos 14-2-0 (0.875)
1999, QB, Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams 13-3-0 (0.813)
2000, RB, Marshall Faulk, St. Louis Rams 10-6-0 (0.625)
2001, QB, Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams 14-2-0 (0.875)
2002, QB, Rich Gannon, Oakland Raiders 11-5-0 (0.688)
2003, QB, Steve McNair, Tennessee Titans 12-4-0 (0.750)
2003, QB, Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts 12-4-0 (0.750)
2004, QB, Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts 12-4-0 (0.750)
2005, RB, Shaun Alexander, Seattle Seahawks 13-3-0 (0.813)
2006, RB, LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego Chargers 14-2-0 (0.875)
2007, QB, Tom Brady, New England Patriots 16-0-0 (1.000)
2008, QB, Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts 12-4-0 (0.750)
2009, QB, Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts 14-2-0 (0.875)
2010, QB, Tom Brady, New England Patriots 14-2-0 (0.875)
2011, QB, Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers 15-1-0 (0.938)
2012, RB, Adrian Peterson, Minnesota Vikings 10-6-0 (0.625)
2013, QB, Peyton Manning, Denver Broncos 13-3-0 (0.813)
2014, QB, Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers 12-4-0 (0.750)
2015, QB, Cam Newton, Carolina Panthers 15-1-0 (0.938)
2016, QB, Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons 11-5-0 (0.688)
2017, QB, Tom Brady, New England Patriots 13-3-0 (0.813)
2018, QB, Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs 12-4-0 (0.750)
2019, QB, Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Ravens 14-2-0 (0.875)
2020, QB, Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers 13-3-0 (0.813)
2021, QB, Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers 13-4-0 (0.765)
2022, QB, Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs 14-3-0 (0.824)
2023, QB, Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Ravens 13-4-0 (0.765)
2024, QB, Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills 13-4-0 (0.765)
2025, QB, Matthew Stafford, Los Angeles Rams 12-5-0 (0.706)

This illustrates how much the game has changed. The 70's was the last decade when as many non-qbs were awarded mvp as QBs were.

In the last 25 years only 4 non-QBs were recognized.

The last ten years is the only ten year run when 0 non-QBs received the MVP

 

[OGSixshooter]

Yet Dak got blamed by many here for last season. I agree with your post though.

Does he get credit for 12-5? Then he has to own 7-9-1.

 

[zrinkill]

From a Hater’s perspective.

 

[GINeric]

Does he get credit for 12-5? Then he has to own 7-9-1.

No quarterback should get credit for a record unless they are boxing or playing golf.

Ive not seen anyone saying we were 12-5 solely because of Dak, but if he has to take the blame for last season.... tell me what other quarterback in the NFL that put up top 5 production in most, if not all of the QB categories, led a top 4 offense the same year his defense was ranked 32?

What are the names of other quarterbacks who've taken that blame while putting up top 4, top 5 production?

 

[OGSixshooter]

No quarterback should get credit for a record unless they are boxing or playing golf.

Ive not seen anyone saying we were 12-5 solely because of Dak, but if he has to take the blame for last season.... tell me what other quarterback in the NFL that put up top 5 production in most, if not all of the QB categories, led a top 4 offense the same year his defense was ranked 32?

What are the names of other quarterbacks who've taken that blame while putting up top 4, top 5 production?

Did he have 2 all pro WRs to help him get those stats? So again, you can't have it both ways. Dak is paid the most, handles the ball the most, says it is 'HIS' record that was on the line not ever to ever have a losing season - he failed - and he's the face of the franchise. Oh, and the NFL regularly posts the Ws and Ls next to the QB. Not the RB. Not the o-line. No one else. Occam's razor says QB gets the lion's share of the praise AND the criticism. Even if he's your pet player...the rules are the rules.

You want it one way...but it's the other.

 

[GINeric]

Did he have 2 all pro WRs to help him get those stats? So again, you can't have it both ways. Dak is paid the most, handles the ball the most, says it is 'HIS' record that was on the line not ever to ever have a losing season - he failed - and he's the face of the franchise. Oh, and the NFL regularly posts the Ws and Ls next to the QB. Not the RB. Not the o-line. No one else. Occam's razor says QB gets the lion's share of the praise AND the criticism. Even if he's your pet player...the rules are the rules.

You want it one way...but it's the other.

I started off saying no quarterback should be attached to a team record. So which part of that shows that is want it both ways?

With that said, according to what you've stated about quarterback records... you fully are admitting that Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles and Brad Johnson are better BIGGEST GAME quarterbacks than Jim Kelly, Dan Marino and Joe Burrows, correct?

You're also admitting that until further notice, Kaepernick and Rex Grossman are also better quarterbacks than Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.

One last thing.... you're also admitting that all the excuses can be thrown out of the window for Matthew Stafford having a record of 17-74 or something like that vs teams over .500, right?

I don't mind using your logic to charge Dak for our record last season with a 32nd ranked defense. Thats cool. But if we're keeping that same energy for all quarterbacks, then everything I've posted is 100% spot on.

Im good with that.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Dak's got the mental side of QB'ing on lock. I have been seriously impressed with his decision making the past 2 seasons, in how well he balances risk with aggression. And he throws with anticipation, which is frankly something I never thought he would figure out. At this point, he operates the offense like a QB coach on the field.

Now it's just a question of how long his arm holds up. His legs are shot at this point - even if he has any juice to run, he won't b/c of the injury risk. His arm hasn't really declined, but it was never better than NFL average to begin with, so he doesn't have much to lose before he dips under the Chad Pennington line. So long as his arm stays above pop-gun level, he'll remain a top 10 QB just on smarts alone.

Let's just see if it translates to the playoffs. He's a top 10 regular season qb.

 

[diamonddelts]

Groundhog Day

 

[OGSixshooter]

I started off saying no quarterback should be attached to a team record. So which part of that shows that is want it both ways?

With that said, according to what you've stated about quarterback records... you fully are admitting that Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles and Brad Johnson are better BIGGEST GAME quarterbacks than Jim Kelly, Dan Marino and Joe Burrows, correct?

You're also admitting that until further notice, Kaepernick and Rex Grossman are also better quarterbacks than Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.

One last thing.... you're also admitting that all the excuses can be thrown out of the window for Matthew Stafford having a record of 17-74 or something like that vs teams over .500, right?

I don't mind using your logic to charge Dak for our record last season with a 32nd ranked defense. Thats cool. But if we're keeping that same energy for all quarterbacks, then everything I've posted is 100% spot on.

Im good with that.

But you discount when Dak has a good/decent defense. That's your issue...it's all through the lense of support for Dak. How about Dak not giving the opposing offense a short field? In fact, you could argue that in playoff games Dak is a HUGE liability to our defense.

In fact, I would love it if you and Dak did a Cooper Rush and didn't try to wing it or get stats..but actually considered the flow of the game, the defense, the kicker we have, etc. All you do is think of Dak as a victim or the sole reason we even have a defense. This is backwards.

And yes, Rex Grossman and Kaepernick are not video game people. They are men who learned a game, won the job and performed well enough over 16-19 games to give their teams a shot at a championship. It's really, really hard...even if they are not the most skilled people. Honestly, anyone who knows football doesn't put Grossman in the same category as Kaepernick. In fact, Dak is somewhere in between as he's never done what they have and doesn't look like he will ever get there...and you can't blame that on defense alone. Dak didn't perform well when we needed him...and Grossman and Kaepernick DID.

Grading Dak on a curve is an admission that he's not doing it alone and that he needs sympathy. Pathetic for the highest paid EVER. His pay is not on a curve...so neither is my grade.

 

[OGSixshooter]

Let's just see if it translates to the playoffs. He's a top 10 regular season qb.

He's closer to 10 than 1. This makes him a midQB making top dollar. It won't translate...we've "seen" enough.