Why don’t we throw to our backs more?

[Momanpr100]

It's so odd we don't use rb screens much at all. Its a miss on Kellen's part and another reason I don't have much faith in him as a coordinator.

But he loves running them TE screens lol

 

[blueblood70]

If you are somewhat aware of the meaning behind my sarcasm, I have no confidence in him hitting these. 100% KM is a big part of this as well, but over his last several games I am in the belief that KM has lost confidence in Dak's ability...or as you say, he is a big part of the problem. Either way, I am somewhat allowed to hold to what my fandom suggests.....

I whole heartedly disagree. if you truly follow the DCs, and know the offense that was handed down from Garett, who got it from hybrid 90s team scheme, and now in Moore's hands, the screens have been screened out and not a dominate part of this a particular scheme. even when they did muse them even back with Romo they weren't very successful.

rthis sint Dak issue its scheme issue its play caller issue..so just move on.

 

[CowboyRoy]

simmer down Cowboy before you burst one of your last blood vessels. I don't have to cherry pick, I have to watch his last number of games. You must be a Yankees fan and have all the excuses as to why they failed this year as well? Who cares about pro bowls, 12-5 records when in the end championships are all that matters not the fluff. As in the past, I am done with your dribble no need to reply...

I actually am a Yankees fan. But not a fan of how they build their teams of late. Not a big fan of the home run, big strike out, low hit percentage type guys. These Yankees teams are built for the regular season, but not for the playoffs.

I predicted they would get beat by the Astros early in the season and said it all the way through the sweep.

No excuses just facts.

 

[GoldenR]

While statistics are extremely valuable, they are a perfect means that folks USE to make false and misleading arguments in sports." Realistic Sports Fan".

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don’t get it.

Dallas loves to cram Zeke between the tackles but Zeke and Pollard both can catch and it’s never used.

Not only would checking it to the backs more be beneficial for opening things up down field it would make teams think twice about blitzing.

Also, as much as I don’t like Zeke’s game anymore it would be a way to get him in space against DBs which are matchups he should still win.

we replaced those with 8 WR screens per game

 

[darthseinfeld]

I don’t get it.

Dallas loves to cram Zeke between the tackles but Zeke and Pollard both can catch and it’s never used.

Not only would checking it to the backs more be beneficial for opening things up down field it would make teams think twice about blitzing.

Also, as much as I don’t like Zeke’s game anymore it would be a way to get him in space against DBs which are matchups he should still win.

Elliott I remember had some struggles in the receiving game in 2020 and it doesnt seem we have used him as much since.

Pollard has absolutely been underutilized and/or under developed as a receiving back. He came into the NFL as a guy who frequently lined up in the slot in college. The comparisons to Kamara were a bit lofty, but the skill set was there to be unlocked and used

 

[Redsfan_83]

I whole heartedly disagree. if you truly follow the DCs, and know the offense that was handed down from Garett, who got it from hybrid 90s team scheme, and now in Moore's hands, the screens have been screened out and not a dominate part of this a particular scheme. even when they did muse them even back with Romo they weren't very successful.

rthis sint Dak issue its scheme issue its play caller issue..so just move on.

I don't disagree and we said back in the JG days that a huge part of a QB's success is coaching. This is clearly why so many teams try to hire HC's/OC's that are "gurus", but these are the Cowboys and outside of DQ we haven't had the guy to work with our offense or our QB. Hence, this is not only on Dak

 

[Bagman]

I don’t get it.

Dallas loves to cram Zeke between the tackles but Zeke and Pollard both can catch and it’s never used.

Not only would checking it to the backs more be beneficial for opening things up down field it would make teams think twice about blitzing.

Also, as much as I don’t like Zeke’s game anymore it would be a way to get him in space against DBs which are matchups he should still win.

I posted this very same question to the masses on this site about 2 weeks ago. I 100% agree with you. Get our best ballcarriers the ball, in space and on the move. Its an easy way to get effective yards on early downs, keeping the offense in manageable 3rd downs.

 

[Redsfan_83]

I actually am a Yankees fan. But not a fan of how they build their teams of late. Not a big fan of the home run, big strike out, low hit percentage type guys. These Yankees teams are built for the regular season, but not for the playoffs.

I predicted they would get beat by the Astros early in the season and said it all the way through the sweep.

No excuses just facts.

By your words proves my point about Dak...read what you said and you can figure out why the destain many have about Dak

 

[Arkyvarminter]

I will report back if I find other evidence, but have any of those stats come against top teams, or meaninful playoffs? I had to rewatch last years playoff game against the San Fran somethings, and I believe it was our 12-5 QB that single handedly had a brain cramp and cost us the game? Stop with the QBR stuff...has he taken us to the promised land with a previous offense that was gifted to him by ownership? I as much as you really want Dak to be our leader, but I don't want "what have you done for me lately" facts. Have any of those? When it counted he cost us the game, and as of right now he looks like a deer in the headlights...thus, I think I am allowed to have little confidence aren't I?

Good Post...Dak is good when we have 200 yards rushing. Stop the rush and force Dak to beat you. That's what good teams have done and it works. Dak puts up big numbers against tomato cans. Dak Prescott is the very reason i stopped looking at QB stats, they are misleading and worthless. When the pressure is on Dak folds like a cheap wal mart lawn chair..lol

 

[leeblair]

I don’t get it.

Dallas loves to cram Zeke between the tackles but Zeke and Pollard both can catch and it’s never used.

Not only would checking it to the backs more be beneficial for opening things up down field it would make teams think twice about blitzing.

Also, as much as I don’t like Zeke’s game anymore it would be a way to get him in space against DBs which are matchups he should still win.

Without a rwo back set it's not as effective. One can sneak out and get open when there is two.
Most NFL teams now use the tight end in place of the second back.

 

[blueblood70]

By your words proves my point about Dak...read what you said and you can figure out why the destain many have about Dak

BY your words you keep forgetting this is team game you think daks not built for the playoffs, that odd..yuor expectation is QB should be able to make a gourmet meal with trash bin leftover food?
looked more like
2021 9er game,
.OL had 11 penalties and couldn't open holes for run game, hard to play QB behind the chains most of the game and no run support.
Defense jumps offside for 3 more penalties, extended 9ers drives eating more clock owning TOP
Defense allowed 4 straight scores to start the game and once again couldn't stop the run efficiently.
coaches didn't have great game plan..yet somehow right down to the a last second, we had a slim shot at a comeback but lost

Game 1 2022 looked an awful lot like the 9er game same issues, the eagle game same issues.. seems to me the better teams are out coached and out schemed us, creating players to be out of position they commit more penalties and make more mistakes against the better teams.

2018 Ram game more of the same..gave up 250yards rushing, couldn't run, offense was stagnant as it was easy to defend with no run game and play calling was vanilla. .
2016 Dak and Zek played great kept coming back all game no defense. More of the same huh

In that regard the TEAM is not built for the playoffs not DAK himself as you think a qb must overcame all things no matter what and win a game? right ask Rogers, brady, Murray, Stafford and even early on Burrows plus others struggled this year when facing similar situations.

Its team game, much bigger issues then Dak showing up in these games..

 

[Redsfan_83]

BY your words you keep forgetting this is team game you think daks not built for the playoffs, that odd..yuor expectation is QB should be able to make a gourmet meal with trash bin leftover food?
looked more like
2021 9er game,
.OL had 11 penalties and couldn't open holes for run game, hard to play QB behind the chains most of the game and no run support.
Defense jumps offside for 3 more penalties, extended 9ers drives eating more clock owning TOP
Defense allowed 4 straight scores to start the game and once again couldn't stop the run efficiently.
coaches didn't have great game plan..yet somehow right down to the a last second, we had a slim shot at a comeback but lost

Game 1 2022 looked an awful lot like the 9er game same issues, the eagle game same issues.. seems to me the better teams are out coached and out schemed us, creating players to be out of position they commit more penalties and make more mistakes against the better teams.

2018 Ram game more of the same..gave up 250yards rushing, couldn't run, offense was stagnant as it was easy to defend with no run game and play calling was vanilla. .
2016 Dak and Zek played great kept coming back all game no defense. More of the same huh

In that regard the TEAM is not built for the playoffs not DAK himself as you think a qb must overcame all things no matter what and win a game? right ask Rogers, brady, Murray, Stafford and even early on Burrows plus others struggled this year when facing similar situations.

Its team game, much bigger issues then Dak showing up in these games..

I don't disagree with much of what you posted. Penalties have been a killer for this franchise for years (better this year of course), however, our QB has NOT had trash to work with on offense. He was given everythin, but did run into OL issues that ownership is to blame for not fixing at that time. I really don't care about 2018 or 2016, I am talkin about the here and now. For the here and now, Dak has failed includin the brain fart against the 9ers.

There are QB's like Patty, TB, AR who had had farrrrrr less than Dak has had, and we don't need to discuss their success stories. Now do I expect Dak to be them? Of course note. Also, what nobody is talkin about this year is Josh Allen has all but been given a ring, but the only problem is that these are the Bills. If he fails this yearr, I think it's fair to heavily critique him as well.

What you cannot argue with is that this version of the Cowboys is equipped to make it all the way, right? KM is iffy, but our D is possibly the best in the league and will only get better. Our OL is better this year, and even though our WR's are not stepping up Dak has everythin he needs this year as a "team"....ask anybody what may hold us back? You know the answer, right?g

 

[noshame]

We absolutely run no wheel routes ever it seems.

Especially when you got a talent like Pollard
Makes you go hummmm..

 

[TheHerd]

I posted this very same question to the masses on this site about 2 weeks ago. I 100% agree with you. Get our best ballcarriers the ball, in space and on the move. Its an easy way to get effective yards on early downs, keeping the offense in manageable 3rd downs.

This is the part of our passing game offense I really dislike. I haven't seen actual stats, but it seems like our receivers catch more passes either standing still or coming back to the ball than any other team.

 

[TheHerd]

Especially when you got a talent like Pollard
Makes you go hummmm..

Other teams run these and routinely get 5-10 yards. But as quick, planned passes, not check downs after giving the LB 4 seconds to get out and cover our RB.

 

[xwalker]

It's so odd we don't use rb screens much at all. Its a miss on Kellen's part and another reason I don't have much faith in him as a coordinator.

They were doing it often in camp.

I saw several snaps in camp when they had Noah Brown go in motion and become the lead blocker on a RB screen.
- It appeared to be an option play based on the reaction of the CB on that side.
- If the CB hesitated in his drop because he clearly saw the screen coming, then the past went to the WR on that side.
- If the CB dropped quickly, then the pass went to the RB.
- They also threw to Brown on one of those plays.

Cooper Rush missed some easy throws to players in that flat area behind or near the line.
- I remember Romo having some issues with those type of throws.

 

[Stak78]

It's so odd we don't use rb screens much at all. Its a miss on Kellen's part and another reason I don't have much faith in him as a coordinator.

They try to run a least one screen a game and it never works. Poor play design or poor execution?

 

[Kingofholland]

They try to run a least one screen a game and it never works. Poor play design or poor execution?

We do screens but when we do it's mostly to the TE or WR. Pollard is quick and gets yards after contact, would love to see them try that more often.

 

[Kingofholland]

But he loves running them TE screens lol

He does, I don't think that's a terrible play when they set it up correctly, but RB screens just seem much more effective. RBs are built for those plays.