Why has the Playmaker had no impact?

[Doomsday101]

other then a couple overthrows by drew in the opener they looked pretty good together. since then he can't find 1 of the greatest recievers of all time? gimme a break.

Sorry this is not Madden football. There is a reason Glenn is the #1 WR on this team he knows the routs and he knows the system. Dallas has TO lined up on the outside with no motion in large part because he is limited in the understanding of this offense. Streak rout, slant and stop rout is the only things TO has been doing and a defense like Philly will shut that down with ease. I do think as he gets an understanding of the offense Parcells can do a lot more with him but it does not happen over night

 

[Rampage]

Sorry this is not Madden football. There is a reason Glenn is the #1 WR on this team he knows the routs and he knows the system. Dallas has TO lined up on the outside with no motion in large part because he is limited in the understanding of this offense. Streak rout, slant and stop rout is the only things TO has been doing and a defense like Philly will shut that down with ease. I do think as he gets an understanding of the offense Parcells can do a lot more with him but it does not happen over night

so when is he gonna "learn the new system"? in 3 years? time's a wasting

 

[Doomsday101]

so when is he gonna "learn the new system"? in 3 years? time's a wasting

As TO said in the press conference maybe he needs to study harder and put in more work. I don't know when TO will have a full understanding of this system I would think each week he will have a better understanding and Parcells will start doing more things with him as he progresses. Again with the dumb exaggerated remarks? 3 years? Time is wasting? Well some of the time was lost during camp and pre-season but I guess that is Bledsoe fault as well?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Whisperings on local radio say he doesn't seem to know all his routes yet.

Yeah, I know, everyone will say the media is making stuff up... But remember what Parcells said about this being the first new offense he's had to learn as a pro.

 

[Doomsday101]

Whisperings on local radio say he doesn't seem to know all his routes yet.

Yeah, I know, everyone will say the media is making stuff up... But remember what Parcells said about this being the first new offense he's had to learn as a pro.

I don't doubt it at all. That is not to take away any blame for Bledsoe performace but it does seem that the routs are limited at this stage for TO. I did see Dallas line TO up in the slot in the 2nd half of the Philly game which I had not seen much of prior to that and I think as we move on TO will be used in different ways than he is now.

 

[Chuck 54]

I don't doubt it at all. That is not to take away any blame for Bledsoe performace but it does seem that the routs are limited at this stage for TO. I did see Dallas line TO up in the slot in the 2nd half of the Philly game which I had not seen much of prior to that and I think as we move on TO will be used in different ways than he is now.

I know one thing...the int Bledsoe threw short of Owens sure looked like he had no idea what T.O. was doing or going to do...Owens just looked like he was drifting and suddenly was wide open without ever really running or making any moves.

 

[Jarv]

MacFlabb seemed to have no problem finding TO in his 1st year. In the pre-season it seemed like Romo had no problem hitting TO either...hmmm.

 

[lewpac]

He had half a year off last year and missed any meaningfull training camp time this year.........his first year in Dallas.
This is the first time he's EVER not played in the fictional West Coast Offense.
He's lacking explosiveness off the line and the ability to get free for the catch and after the catch. This'll be fine by mid-season.
I love Dallas and am now stuck with T.O.
If this guy's wheels get going and he puts up the big numbers, it'll be interesting all the folks who come back here and say "uh, sorry 'bout that".

 

[DLCassidy]

MacFlabb seemed to have no problem finding TO in his 1st year. In the pre-season it seemed like Romo had no problem hitting TO either...hmmm.

As was stated TO has been playing the WCO his whole career, including Philly, until now. And he missed a big part of camp. It will get better as the season progresses. Philly doubled him most of the game and we still tried 13 times to get it to him. Truth is we might have been better off throwing to him less in that game.

 

[DLCassidy]

I think he has made an impact. I find it hard to believe our O Line is the entire reason we are running so much better. Our O Line talent still leaves much to be desired. That extra man in the box is gone. Why? Probably T.O.
Last year, our running game was manure and now it's the only real dependable strength.

Nice first post and I agree. Hope you post more.

 

[Cbz40]

Possible reasons either by themselves or in combination.

1. Chemistry/Timing - I still don't think they have had the time to work this issue out. Just when TO get's healthy from the hammy...bang his hand. They just don't have it together yet. I know Irvin could give Troy a look and they would be on the same page. This is something I think Drew and Terry does have. Not just timing but chemistry in trusting and knowing the player.

2. Game planning - Maybe they need to throw a few WCO routes in for TO. Does not mean they have to switch the offense but maybe a couple of routes that TO likes.

3. Double or tripling of TO - People can say what they want but there are times teams can cover a wr...yes even TO. We have done it, the Skins have done it. Problem is we need to take advantage of it with the other WRs. Sometimes we do, sometimes we do not.


4. Dropping the ball - When you do get a pass thrown at you and it is catchable...catch it.

5. Accuracy - Drew can be accurate most times but he also has issues at times where I have no clue what he is doing as he will throw it on the ground 3 yards from a WR.

6. Line must protect - We all know drew is not going to be a Marino in getting rid of the ball. Let him stay reasonably comfortable during a game and he can make the throws and look all pro.

7. Get him started early - TO, IMO, is the type of player that needs to get started early. If he is frustrated early it will normally only get worse.

8. Trick plays or Play action- During the eagles game I was thinking when will we do a flea flicker play. Bill (or maybe it was payton) seems to have a flea flicker ready for at least one big game a year. Of course when the eagles got the ball they did it. Anything to make the safeties stop and head back towards the line even if it is just for a split second.

9. Quick Slants -more ofthem.

10. Set up the pass with the run more - Maybe it is just me but it seems we, so far this year, have been too pass happy when the run is working. Can not believe I would say that as other times I have wanted more passing. But it seems the running game is working but we keep going away from it at times.

Timing/Chemestry......Just a guess but I would suspect that's the main culprit. With a few more games, as you said, maybe they will be on the same page.

Excellent post BP.

 

[windward]

He's made an impact. Teams no longer double Glenn and cannot overcommitt to the run due to his prescence. As he gets into the flow of things, the o will be even better.

 

[PacoReloaded]

3) Play of Bledsoe. He's been open, but Bledsoe just hasn't been able to get it to him.

This sums it up right here.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

He is getting open, but with our Bledsoe and OL troubles, we can't get him the ball.

BTW, he has a huge impact on the way a defense plays against our team and is the main reason why JJ is having a good season. JJ doesn't have to worry about 8 man fronts with TO out there, like he did last year.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I blame the coaching...I believe Parcells is stubborn and doesn't really care to have star players...he's the only real star. I believe he gets a guy like T.O. and does absolutely nothing except line him up at a position and have him run the pattern the play calls for.

We heard Bledsoe say he's simply going through his progression of reads...makes perfect sense if you have no stars at WR, just ordinary guys.

But, as much as I dislike him, I do recognize that T.O. is not just another WR. When you have a special player, you shouldn't just keep calling the same plays and running the same offense.

I won't be terribly surprised if T.O. never becomes a consistant impact player in Dallas, nor will I be surprised if that leads him to another meltdown, and I'll blame Parcells.


Instead of stubbornly plugging guys into your system and demanding they "play their roles," I think when you have a legitimate star, which Owens is, you design your offense around him, you make sure he's touching the ball regularly...hitches, screen, reverses, end-arounds, fly, curl, post, corner, pick-plays, run the corner off and come back, anything to get the ball in his hand. Mostly, a big guy like T.O. should be able to run the slant the way Irvin did almost anytime he wants to on 3rd down...we've seen it.

I really don't think it's the injury or the OL or the new offense or Bledsoe. I think he's a superstar who just runs out to his position and runs the same stuff Hurd or Crayton would run if they were in there...just running around and waiting for Bledsoe to make his reads from the top of the passing tree down....what a stubborn waste of a superstar, imo.

This makes me laugh. If Parcells wants to be the "star" he has to have the team perform, right? A team not living up to its billing hardly makes Parcells look good.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

TO has earned extra attention over his career, and WR's always think they are open even when they arent (They dont see the safety shadowing them).

An increased rushing attack alone has shown his impact.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Timing/Chemestry......Just a guess but I would suspect that's the main culprit. With a few more games, as you said, maybe they will be on the same page.

Excellent post BP.

Yeah, BP, that was inclusive and conclusive. A great summary. I also agree with CBZ40 that timing/chemistry is the chief factor..luckily it's one that can be resolved.

 

[superpunk]

Three reasons.

Two dropped passes in the endzone. His hand was a factor.

One badly underthrown pass from Bledsoe, that should have gone for 6.

Those three things happen, and he has a TD in every game this year, and we're not having this conversation.

 

[Doomsday101]

MacFlabb seemed to have no problem finding TO in his 1st year. In the pre-season it seemed like Romo had no problem hitting TO either...hmmm.

It is not just timing between the QB and the WR, TO went from one WCO to another and when he went to Philly and he did not end up missing camp. Coming to Dallas he is dealing with a different system and was unable to get a lot of work in during camp.

 

[Ashwynn]

1) He probably isn't 100% football shape. Remember, he sat out 9 games last year, and was injured in preseason.
2) He's learning a new offense.
3) Play of Bledsoe. He's been open, but Bledsoe just hasn't been able to get it to him.
4) We're probably not using him as best as possible.

Well as to 1 and 2, maybe if he was not riding a bike throughout training camp 1 and 2 would not even be up there. Glenn and Bledsoe dont seem to have that problem. Hmmm....think theres a correlation between training camp work and regular season chemistry yet el dorado?

As to #4, well we all knew he was not the focal point of our attack and he was told as much. You guys can sit here and say we need to change our O scheme and make him the focal point, but remember who your coach is, Parcells aint changing nothing for a player, certainly not a prima donna player. Hes gunna stay just a cog in the machine for as long as Parcells is the coach, so we are using him as Parcells wants him used. If thats not good enough, thats on the coach.