Why I like Jerry Jones...

[theebs]

Marketing is headed by Jerry Jones Jr.

And I'm not sure why people think Stephen Jones will be the magic elixir to the "disease" that is called Jerry Jones, his father, who he works with everyday, and learned the business at the same time as Jerry.

This is not to say he wouldn't do things differently, but I don't know why ppl are so convinced that he would.

I feel the same way.

Stephen jones is the head of personnel on this team. Yet just like his dad in the offseason going into 09 he was heavily involved with stadium business, dealing with the league, the city government etc...

honestly how many people in the front office can be wrapped up in the stadium with draft and personnel issues needing to be the most important thing.

they blew the 09 draft and it just makes me wonder did they drop their end of it because they were off with the stadium every minute of the day?

 

[Hostile]

I feel the same way.

Stephen jones is the head of personnel on this team. Yet just like his dad in the offseason going into 09 he was heavily involved with stadium business, dealing with the league, the city government etc...

honestly how many people in the front office can be wrapped up in the stadium with draft and personnel issues needing to be the most important thing.

they blew the 09 draft and it just makes me wonder did they drop their end of it because they were off with the stadium every minute of the day?

I want to comment on that. It won't go over well, but Wade Phillips told Jerry everything was set except Special Teams and he wanted a Special Teams focused draft and he got it.

 

[CoCo]

I want to comment on that. It won't go over well, but Wade Phillips told Jerry everything was set except Special Teams and he wanted a Special Teams focused draft and he got it.

I won't dismiss what you're saying but by the same token I don't believe Dallas went into that draft targeting SAT's to the exclusion of other needs.

I've heard we wanted Unger bad only to have him taken a couple picks before us. Brewster obviously wasn't a ST pick either.

I won't go through all the others. Just wanted to point out that it appeared that we WERE trying to address some needs other than ST but it didn't work out.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I won't dismiss what you're saying but by the same token I don't believe Dallas went into that draft targeting SAT's to the exclusion of other needs.

I've heard we wanted Unger bad only to have him taken a couple picks before us. Brewster obviously wasn't a ST pick either.

I won't go through all the others. Just wanted to point out that it appeared that we WERE trying to address some needs other than ST but it didn't work out.

Not to mention that Roy Williams doesn't play special teams.

 

[Plankton]

I want to comment on that. It won't go over well, but Wade Phillips told Jerry everything was set except Special Teams and he wanted a Special Teams focused draft and he got it.

Then Jones, having been the lead on arguably the worst draft in league history in 1995, looks even worse for signing off on it. With the experience of 1995, he should have never made the same mistake again.

 

[CoCo]

And my overall take on Jerry?

I'm much less pro-Jerry these days. I'm not one who believes he is an extreme meddler or makes every decision etc. I do believe that man decisions are made with input from lots of folks - coaches, scouts, other counsel etc. And I do believe Jerry listens and tries to get better over time.

I no longer see his willingness to go over the top to keep or acquire a player as a good thing. Largely because I believe there are few shortcuts to NFL success. Diligent scouting, player evaluation, drafting, and balanced but disciplined coaching is what it takes IMO. Most of Jerry's attempts to shortcut that have not been very successful.

Some of those attempts have however negatively impacted the more proven approach. Galloway & Roy obviously cost us big in the draft. TO didn't cost draft picks but he certainly was the epicenter of coaching chaos.

I'm not saying that you never pursue FA's. Obviously some you do. But I think Jerry himself has even stated he sees that less and less as answer.

But back to Jerry, for all his passion to give extra effort it seems like that blows up more than it pays off. At least for the last many years.

I'd sure like to know that we will never have another Switzer, Campo or Wade as our HC. I'd like to feel confident that we'll never have another primia donna player who breaksdown team discipline because of his preferential treatment sanctioned/permitted by Jerry. I don't trust that Jerry's "determination to do everything to win" won't result in us being shot in the foot again in the future.

Heck a meer 8 mos ago Jerry was cruising along with coach softie believing all was more than well. None of the rest of us get to see the org in action everyday to conclude - there is no focus or discipline here. Jerry gets to see it every day, but he either didn't recognize it or believe it was a problem. Now suddenly he does? I'm not convinced. I won't complian about it everyday, but I'm not convinced.

You can bet I am hoping.

And regarding Stephen Jones. He's the b/u QB, he'll remain loved as long as that role continues.

 

[ZeroClub]

I'm not a Jerry fan anymore. I used to think a lot like the OP, but over the past few years, my view has changed.

Jerry isn't the worst GM. Others have been far worse. Including Matt Millen.

But there is one similarity between Jerry and Matt Millen ... both had owners who stuck with each of them too long.

The last 15 years haven't been particularly good for the Cowboys. In the NFC East, both the Eagles and Giants have had more success than the Cowboys over that 15 year time period ... not to mention several other teams in other divisions. If the NFL is a results business, at some point the guy who pretty much controls the whole shooting match for the Cowboys should be held accountable. That's my opinion.

It might be worth mentioning that Al Davis has won three Super Bowls too. Plus, the Raiders have actually made a Super Bowl appearance within the past 15 years. But that doesn't mean Al Davis is the best person to lead his organization.

Finally, I'm not confident that, today, Jerry thinks anymore clearly than he speaks.

But to those Zoners who like Jerry, more power to you. You are, in fact, better off than I am. Whenever I hear Jerry speak these days, I cringe. I have a hard time listening to him. And that's unfortunate, because usually when Jerry speaks, he's talking about one of my favorite topics -- the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[5Stars]

Where is bbgun?


:laugh2:

 

[cowboys#1]

he is an idiot. fires jimmy johnson, passes up on randy moss,hires dave campo,ryan leaf,quincy carter...too much to list

 

[bbgun]

Where is bbgun?


:laugh2:

Spending the evening with someone I love: pron.

 

[gimmesix]

He does not except at the Senior Bowl and Combines. That is why the Scouting Department is so crucial the Front Office.

Jerry Jones the GM is only as good as the people around him, which is why he succeeded with Jimmy Johnson as head coach and the team "improved" under Bill Parcells. Instead of people calling for Jerry's head when they get upset (which will never happen), they need to be calling for the heads of those he's listening to: the personnel people and his coaches.

This is also one reason Jason Garrett gives me some hope. I truly believe that he will be the type of strong-minded head coach who gets Jerry to do what Jerry does best: Go get the parts Garrett needs to build a winner.

The one fault I have with Jerry is he doesn't truly see that he needs that kind of coach. He momentarily did when he hired Parcells, but since that didn't result in a championship, he's went back to thinking it's not necessary. Fortunately, it looks like he's gone that direction simply because he is impressed by Garrett, who could surprise and turn out to be another coach who does not offer the guidance Jones needs to be a successful GM.

 

[DallasGirl50]

Jerry Jones the GM is only as good as the people around him, which is why he succeeded with Jimmy Johnson as head coach and the team "improved" under Bill Parcells. Instead of people calling for Jerry's head when they get upset (which will never happen), they need to be calling for the heads of those he's listening to: the personnel people and his coaches.

This is also one reason Jason Garrett gives me some hope. I truly believe that he will be the type of strong-minded head coach who gets Jerry to do what Jerry does best: Go get the parts Garrett needs to build a winner.

I agree with you. Garrett is the hope. I never thought I would say that but he made me a believer.

 

[sonnyboy]

On the last Lunch Break show a caller nailed the whole "Jerry Issue".

The problem isn't Jerry so much as it is unreasonable fan expectations.

Who the hell are the Dallas Cowboys?
Let me answer that for you......only 1 of 32 teams in the NFL. That's 1 of 32!

Fans of this team for the entire Jones' span of ownership, who feel cheated, who feel they deserve more success that team has given us, needs a reality check.

 

[Red Dragon]

Just wait til Thumper shows up.......


But I agree with this post. Having lived in upstate New York, I hear the misery of Bills fans about an owner who is the anti-Jerry - refuses to enact change, or make any difference in anything whatsoever. (He's signed T.O. and fired Jauron, so that was something.)

 

[Hostile]

Jerry Jones the GM is only as good as the people around him, which is why he succeeded with Jimmy Johnson as head coach and the team "improved" under Bill Parcells. Instead of people calling for Jerry's head when they get upset (which will never happen), they need to be calling for the heads of those he's listening to: the personnel people and his coaches.

I would just like to go on record and say that the entire time he was listening to the likes of Barry, Larry Lacewell, etc. I was calling for those people's heads. Loudly, proudly, and rightly.

We're stuck with him as the GM. I have long accepted that and moved on. I wish more people could.

The current group in place all give me a lot of hope in the future. More than I have had since Jimmy. I was high as a kite when Parcells came. I am more convinced we will have success with Jason Garrett because I believe unlike Parcells he will not burn out and will be hungry. He is a stay the course kind of solution. I have been saying it since he was still throwing a football on Sundays.

This is also one reason Jason Garrett gives me some hope. I truly believe that he will be the type of strong-minded head coach who gets Jerry to do what Jerry does best: Go get the parts Garrett needs to build a winner.

You know for all the grief Jerry catches that is overlooked. I do not remember him ever failing to land the guys his coaches want. Maybe Wahle who signed in Carolina instead of here, but it has been a remote occurrence at best near as I can remember.

The one fault I have with Jerry is he doesn't truly see that he needs that kind of coach. He momentarily did when he hired Parcells, but since that didn't result in a championship, he's went back to thinking it's not necessary. Fortunately, it looks like he's gone that direction simply because he is impressed by Garrett, who could surprise and turn out to be another coach who does not offer the guidance Jones needs to be a successful GM.

Back before Garrett got hired a poster asked me why I was so high on him. I posted this response.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3664468&postcount=6

I want to point out The 4th paragraph from the bottom where I quoted Derek Eagleton and Mickey Spagnola. How right did they turn out to be about the attention to detail?

Now it needs to be proven with a winner.

 

[Hostile]

On the last Lunch Break show a caller nailed the whole "Jerry Issue".

The problem isn't Jerry so much as it is unreasonable fan expectations.

Who the hell are the Dallas Cowboys?
Let me answer that for you......only 1 of 32 teams in the NFL. That's 1 of 32!

Fans of this team for the entire Jones' span of ownership, who feel cheated, who feel they deserve more success that team has given us, needs a reality check.

I remember that call. I was telling Reality about it in fact.

 

[sonnyboy]

Jerry Jones the GM is only as good as the people around him, which is why he succeeded with Jimmy Johnson as head coach and the team "improved" under Bill Parcells. Instead of people calling for Jerry's head when they get upset (which will never happen), they need to be calling for the heads of those he's listening to: the personnel people and his coaches.

This is also one reason Jason Garrett gives me some hope. I truly believe that he will be the type of strong-minded head coach who gets Jerry to do what Jerry does best: Go get the parts Garrett needs to build a winner.

The one fault I have with Jerry is he doesn't truly see that he needs that kind of coach. He momentarily did when he hired Parcells, but since that didn't result in a championship, he's went back to thinking it's not necessary. Fortunately, it looks like he's gone that direction simply because he is impressed by Garrett, who could surprise and turn out to be another coach who does not offer the guidance Jones needs to be a successful GM.

Good post.


I don't believe Jerry doesn't believe he needs a strong coach or even lost his way after the Parcels' departure.

His "plan" with Wade wasn't to bring in a weak coach. His laundry list as I see having the benefit of hindsight:
1) HC with the defensive expertise to fix our talented yet underachieving defense.
2) This defensive minded HC needed to want to work with Garrett.
3) Veteran guy who could take Bill's fairly talented team to perhaps another level.

Now if this is the very definition of "puppet coach", we so be it. If Garrett turns out to be the great coach we all hope, it will have been worth it.

 

[Apollo Creed]

This team has been a lot closer than people think. It's about getting hot at the right time and getting lucky. One or two bounces go the other way, we could be looking at this team much differently.

Jerry is impulsive, as many of us here especially are. But lets not forget ,he's come a long way in 7 years. He's seemed to have a good pulse on this team and when it's time for change to be made. Because the new regime has immediately improved the teams performance in all 3 instances of new coaches.

My issue has been with the polarity, Jerry's a man of extremes - he's always seemed to try and overcompensate for past mistakes. With the team's new approach, I think he's finally finding his balance. The team's philosophies and cultures have changed so drastically, that the team hasn't seemed to be capable of establishing an identity. Ditto for Jerry. But like my man Bob says, the times they are a changin'.

He's taking the right steps. Surrounding himself with football minds, taking less chances. Not reaching, making desperation moves, overpaying, etc. Bad moves like that can cripple a franchise on the field and especially in the books. Jerry's doing better about avoiding those mistakes, because thats the key. You can win in any year in today's NFL, it's about parity, it's built that way. Jerry's just had trouble adapting because he's had such success doing things his way. Can't blame him, I'd be an arrogant, controlling meddler too if I owned the Cowboys. Hell we blog about it in our free time, imagine if any of us were to get control in that capacity.

He wants to win though, that's the reason why I'll always support him. 3 rings is more than most teams will ever get. Sometimes you just need some perspective.

 

[gimmesix]

Good post.


I don't believe Jerry doesn't believe he needs a strong coach or even lost his way after the Parcels' departure.

His "plan" with Wade wasn't to bring in a weak coach. His laundry list as I see having the benefit of hindsight:
1) HC with the defensive expertise to fix our talented yet underachieving defense.
2) This defensive minded HC needed to want to work with Garrett.
3) Veteran guy who could take Bill's fairly talented team to perhaps another level.

Now if this is the very definition of "puppet coach", we so be it. If Garrett turns out to be the great coach we all hope, it will have been worth it.

I agree with that to an extent. I don't believe Jones thought he was hiring a puppet when he brought in Wade, just that Phillips didn't turn out to be the leader Jones needs in that position.

I just think there was a concession on Jones' part when he brought in Parcells. When that relationship didn't culminate in a Super Bowl, it opened things back up for Jones to hire whoever he feels is best for the job, whether they are strong-minded or not. That's not the right approach for him, because HE needs a strong-minded coach. Fortunately, he might have hired what he needed in choosing a guy he simply felt is best for the job.

 

[gimmesix]

You know for all the grief Jerry catches that is overlooked. I do not remember him ever failing to land the guys his coaches want. Maybe Wahle who signed in Carolina instead of here, but it has been a remote occurrence at best near as I can remember.

Most GMs are handcuffed by the owner in this regard. We've fortunate in this area that they are one in the same.