"Why I'm neither high nor low on Switzer", otherwise titled "A History of Cowboys 4th Rounders"

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I count about 1 out of every 3 actually being impact players who end up at some point in their careers being productive enough to start.

Maybe we'll continue our recent good fortune. Maybe we're due to regress back to the mean. Who knows.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Switzer will end up better then everybody on that list not named Dak Prescott

 

[DFWJC]

I count about 1 out of every 3 actually being impact players who end up at some point in their careers being productive enough to start.

Maybe we'll continue our recent good fortune. Maybe we're due to regress back to the mean. Who knows.

1/3.....I would guess thats probably the NFL average for 4th rounders. It may even better than average. Im sure someone here has the data.

But if you consider starting on special teams as starting, I really like Switzers odds.

 

[JoeKing]

If you find yourself indifferent about Switzer then wait till this young man hits the field. He is a Beasly clone with maybe a little more gettie-up if that's possible.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Stats by themselves are not worth much. I've got more faith in Switzer producing than any other player drafted because he's polished and he's demonstrated excellence in doing what the team has drafted him to do.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Yes. 4th rounders are not always great.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I would count Tashard Choice as a "success." He was effectively a 3rd running back behind MBIII and Felix Jones. He played very well when he filled-in as a spot starter (remember that Steelers game).

He always annoyed me as a wannabe leader and the fact he was reluctant to play special teams didn't win him any favors, but as a 4th rounder he produced.

 

[robjay04]

I would consider Victor Butler and Kyle Wilber a success as well. If you make it through your rookie contract and are usually active...you're a success at a fourth round pick. Every player is not going to be an all pro. You're looking for role players in the fourth round.

 

[Risen Star]

I would consider Victor Butler and Kyle Wilber a success as well. If you make it through your rookie contract and are usually active...you're a success at a fourth round pick. Every player is not going to be an all pro. You're looking for role players in the fourth round.

You may be looking for that but I'm not. Nor is any well run NFL franchise.

Hitchens, Butler and Wilber are bums. Wilson may be too.

Edit - Tashard Choice. Another bum.

The only player we've gotten in the 4th round since Free is obviously Tapper and yeah that's historically awesome but it's still just one guy. (If we're calling Tapper human.)

 

[Risen Star]

If you find yourself indifferent about Switzer then wait till this young man hits the field. He is a Beasly clone with maybe a little more gettie-up if that's possible.

Forgive me if I don't take the word of people who never mentioned the player before the draft. Not a single person here, minus that UNC homer who pimped every Tar Heel, has any credibility over Ryan Switzer. You didn't like him enough to talk about him before the draft. Your words are hollow after the draft. Don't care. Means nothing to me. You're just a cheerleader.

 

[Jstopper]

Switzer will end up better then everybody on that list not named Dak Prescott

Charles Tapper may have something to say about that

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Forgive me if I don't take the word of people who never mentioned the player before the draft. Not a single person here, minus that UNC homer who pimped every Tar Heel, has any credibility over Ryan Switzer. You didn't like him enough to talk about him before the draft. Your words are hollow after the draft. Don't care. Means nothing to me. You're just a cheerleader.

Guess I'm a homer then

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Charles Tapper may have something to say about that

Not saying he won't be good but Switzer will be far better. Tapper needs to get on the field first and I have high hopes for him. Switzer is on another level

 

[jday]

I count about 1 out of every 3 actually being impact players who end up at some point in their careers being productive enough to start.

Maybe we'll continue our recent good fortune. Maybe we're due to regress back to the mean. Who knows.

There are so many variables this study ignores, I'm not sure if it's worth consideration when projecting Switzer's potential impact. The first thing you have to look at is his opportunity as it compares to everyone else on that list. He's going to have a shot at both return jobs and could etch out a role on 3rd downs. Second, if he can be another mismatch type player, which he is, he makes every other target's (and by extension Dak's) job easier.

 

[robjay04]

You may be looking for that but I'm not. Nor is any well run NFL franchise.

Hitchens, Butler and Wilber are bums. Wilson may be too.

Edit - Tashard Choice. Another bum.

The only player we've gotten in the 4th round since Free is obviously Tapper and yeah that's historically awesome but it's still just one guy. (If we're calling Tapper human.)

I would like to see the success rate around the league. I would suspect teams have similar success in the fourth round. It's a win if the player regularly contributes and is active on game day at the end of their rookie deals. I could be wrong though.

For the heck of it I decided to look at the Patriots. One site I found listed their kicker as the best fourth round pick ever. Judging by their last several players,...I found two guys that stick out, a few guys that aren't on their roster anymore. I admittedly don't know the ins and outs of their roster to have a valid opinion though. I'm just using them as any example because they seem to be the prime comparasion.

We do need to do better in the fourth...I'm just not expecting us to land many guys above JAG status that late.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

If you find yourself indifferent about Switzer then wait till this young man hits the field. He is a Beasly clone with maybe a little more gettie-up if that's possible.

Switzer isn't a Beasley clone. Switzer can play outside or in the slot, he is dangerous at returning punts. Switzer is stronger as well, not to even mention might be the best route runner on the team right now.

Not putting Beasley down but skin color and height are about the only thing they are the same

 

[TwoDeep3]

Nothing against the OP or this premise, but this is why stats have no meaning to me.

A list of fourth round picks for this team are about as pertinent to Switzer's ability and success as donuts are to axle grease.

Dallas had never drafted a pick, first round or any other, who lead the league in rushing yards for a career. Since Emmitt was drafted in 1990 as the 17th over-all pick, and posted 18,355 rushing yards, I'd suggest history is only meaningful if and when it actually becomes verifiable, cast in stone history.

 

[JoeKing]

Forgive me if I don't take the word of people who never mentioned the player before the draft. Not a single person here, minus that UNC homer who pimped every Tar Heel, has any credibility over Ryan Switzer. You didn't like him enough to talk about him before the draft. Your words are hollow after the draft. Don't care. Means nothing to me. You're just a cheerleader.

Let me direct your attention to this post...
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/we-dodged-a-bullet-on-draft-day.378672/#post-7343919

I admitted Switzer was not on my radar before we drafted him but I did research him afterwards. You're not giving up any dirty on me that I haven't already give on myself so rather than feeling smug about your post you need to back off. If you know where to look there is enough information out there on this young man to have a great feeling he'll be an immediate contributor to our team. Any of us that aren't on the Cowboys staff are just cheerleaders.

 

[speedkilz88]

Switzer isn't a Beasley clone. Switzer can play outside or in the slot, he is dangerous at returning punts. Switzer is stronger as well, not to even mention might be the best route runner on the team right now.

Not putting Beasley down but skin color and height are about the only thing they are the same

I've heard (and think it's a pretty good observation) that Switzer is very similar to Beasley before the catch. It's after where he's much better with the ball in his hands.

I think the only way Switzer busts is if his body can't handle the rigors of the nfl.

 

[JoeKing]

Switzer isn't a Beasley clone. Switzer can play outside or in the slot, he is dangerous at returning punts. Switzer is stronger as well, not to even mention might be the best route runner on the team right now.

Not putting Beasley down but skin color and height are about the only thing they are the same

Switzer hasn't played a single down of Cowboys football yet so all those things you just added to his resume are wishful thinking at this point. College ball does not equate to NFL performance so tap on the brakes. I hope he's everything you say he is but for now all we know is his size, skin color and the tape.