Why no designed rollout plays ?

[john van brocklin]

It would sem to me that some designed roll out plays for Tony might be helpful
given our inability to pass protect.

I have no coaching experience on any football level , so maybe those that do might be able to speak to this issue ?

 

[SDCowboy]

Garrett.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

This drives me crazy, too. Tony is an excellent athlete for a QB and he throws well on the run. When he's outside the tackle box he can get rid of the ball with no worries about grounding being called. Parcells did this all the time when Bledsoe was finally benched and Tony did very well with it.

Besides, it keeps the defense from knowing exactly where their target is on the pass rush.

 

[john van brocklin]

This drives me crazy, too. Tony is an excellent athlete for a QB and he throws well on the run. When he's outside the tackle box he can get rid of the ball with no worries about grounding being called. Parcells did this all the time when Bledsoe was finally benched and Tony did very well with it.

Besides, it keeps the defense from knowing exactly where their target is on the pass rush.

Tony is very athletic so it would seem to be a good course of action.

We dont seem to run any/many screen plays either, which might slow down the pass rush.

 

[Thatkidbob]

I saw one...

Not sure why they didn't call any others... I think it was a 5 yard pass to Witten

 

[VThokie7]

Garrett doesn't design or call plays based upon his current personnel, he designs and calls plays based upon his pie in the sky perfect world personnel.

 

[ConstantReboot]

The reason why the passrush is getting to Romo in less than 3 clicks is NOT only can the Oline pass protect - its because the passrushers know where Romo is going to pass the ball.

If Garrett was smart enough he would use rollouts, bootlegs and play action to keep the passrushers guessing. A moving target is harder to hit than a stationary target. Having Romo drop straight back to pass makes it easier for the passrushers to get to Romo.

This has annoyed me to no ends this year. Romo is one of the most dangerous QBs out of the pocket but Garrett has completely removed that equation from our offense and has him become a dropback passer.

Garrett is the problem with our offense.

 

[joseephuss]

Maybe Garrett knows his offensive line better than anyone and knows they can't handle blocking for roll outs or screens. They can barely block against simple pass rush moves, what makes people think they can do more complex stuff. Not only are they getting beat often mano-o-mano, but I don't think the line is smart enough to execute correct schemes for roll outs and such.

 

[jamesdojr]

Good idea... Wish garrett had them from time to time. How bout this??? well designed screen passes... Or more no huddle which always works well???

This guy has no idea how to keep a defense off balance.

Garrett spent his key years watching a dominant team from the sidelines (90s Cowboys). A team that just lined up and beat other teams on sheer talent and dominance. Everyone knew what the Cowboys of the 90s were going to do and they still couldn;t stop them. This is how Garrett calls plays... except one thing.... this team doesn;t have that kind of dominating talent... so he needs to be much more creative than the Cowboys of the 90s... Garrett does NOT bring that to the table. It was a bad hire. We need a guy in here who can do more with less... who is creative and knows how to keep defenses off balance. This team can not just line up and beat people.... DEFINITELY not in the trenches.... where it all starts.
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It would sem to me that some designed roll out plays for Tony might be helpful
given our inability to pass protect.

I have no coaching experience on any football level , so maybe those that do might be able to speak to this issue ?

 

[ConstantReboot]

Maybe Garrett knows his offensive line better than anyone and knows they can't handle blocking for roll outs or screens. They can barely block against simple pass rush moves, what makes people think they can do more complex stuff. Not only are they getting beat often mano-o-mano, but I don't think the line is smart enough to execute correct schemes for roll outs and such.

Read what I wrote. A roll out or a bootleg makes Romo a moving target rather than a stationary target. Having him move out of the pocket will make it harder for the pass rusher to key in WHERE Romo will be standing. Thus it would be harder for the rushers to sack Romo because he is out of the pocket.

By then Romo buys a second or two from the rush. He is out of the pocket where he is most dangerous and if the passrusher closes in he can ground the ball without getting a penalty.

 

[Cowboy06]

Tony is very athletic so it would seem to be a good course of action.

We dont seem to run any/many screen plays either, which might slow down the pass rush.

You sir have no clue...if we did what you are suggesting, common sense may be implemented. The pass rush may slow down and the scoring would most likely increase. The end result...fewer sacks, better results on play action passes as they will never know if we are passing, running or sprinting out. Then again, Garrett is the expert...but if you keep trying the same things and keep getting the same results, but hoping for something different...is that insane??:bang2: <sarcasm off>

 

[joseephuss]

Read what I wrote. A roll out or a bootleg makes Romo a moving target rather than a stationary target. Having him move out of the pocket will make it harder for the pass rusher to key in WHERE Romo will be standing. Thus it would be harder for the rushers to sack Romo because he is out of the pocket.

By then Romo buys a second or two from the rush. He is out of the pocket where he is most dangerous and if the passrusher closes in he can ground the ball without getting a penalty.

I read what you wrote. It still takes execution from the line. I saw Romo get sacked yesterday on what appeared to be a bootleg. The defense was in the backfield so fast that Romo never got a chance to get outside after faking the ball to the running back. Moving target, stationary target is not going to matter too much with the poor line play.

 

[jobberone]

When you rollout you pretty much take away half the field for the QB to pass to. Not entirely but generally speaking.

Then there's the problem of injury to the QB. When the QB leaves the pocket he loses the one step rule and the below the knees rule for protection. When he may be considered a runner he loses everything but the normal blows to the head (not the QB protection one) unless he slides feet first.

Just because you role out doesn't mean you will gain an advantage in not being sacked either.

 

[Wolfpack]

When you rollout you pretty much take away half the field for the QB to pass to. Not entirely but generally speaking.

Then there's the problem of injury to the QB. When the QB leaves the pocket he loses the one step rule and the below the knees rule for protection. When he may be considered a runner he loses everything but the normal blows to the head (not the QB protection one) unless he slides feet first.

Just because you role out doesn't mean you will gain an advantage in not being sacked either.

You do gain the ability to throw the ball away outside the tackle box.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I read what you wrote. It still takes execution from the line. I saw Romo get sacked yesterday on what appeared to be a bootleg. The defense was in the backfield so fast that Romo never got a chance to get outside after faking the ball to the running back. Moving target, stationary target is not going to matter too much with the poor line play.

What appears to be a bootleg was Romo for dear life. Re-watch the Seattle vs. Green Bay game. See how the move Rogers out of the pocket to compensate for the piss poor oline that Green Bay has.

Moving a QB does matter and alleviates the pressure from the rushers. As a passrusher, you always want to know where the QB will be standing when his passing. If the QB is moving, it makes it harder. So it does matter if his moving or not.

The reason why they are in the backfield so fast was because they knew where Romo was going to be. Moving Romo around will solve that problem.

 

[Zman5]

When you rollout you pretty much take away half the field for the QB to pass to. Not entirely but generally speaking.

Then there's the problem of injury to the QB. When the QB leaves the pocket he loses the one step rule and the below the knees rule for protection. When he may be considered a runner he loses everything but the normal blows to the head (not the QB protection one) unless he slides feet first.

Just because you role out doesn't mean you will gain an advantage in not being sacked either.

Did you see Romo get pummeled yesterday? Does it hurt to try something different once to find out if it will work better? Especially when Romo has a history of passing well on the run.

 

[Hook'em#11]

4th and 1 to Vickers was a rollout play? Wasn't it? Looked like it.

Not sure why they don't call it more. Especially with this O-line.

 

[bracey]

I think it's one of those overreactions to protect Romo which actually does the opposite.

 

[btcutter]

When you rollout you pretty much take away half the field for the QB to pass to. Not entirely but generally speaking.

Then there's the problem of injury to the QB. When the QB leaves the pocket he loses the one step rule and the below the knees rule for protection. When he may be considered a runner he loses everything but the normal blows to the head (not the QB protection one) unless he slides feet first.

Just because you role out doesn't mean you will gain an advantage in not being sacked either.

Well said. I actually hate it when he rolls out just for the reason of limiting QB's options.

In our case, Free is not athletic enough to swing around and wall off his man. Him man will almost run straight into Romo during his pass rush if Romo rolls right.

 

[jamesdojr]

What happend to that play where Romo rolled to the right and Jason tripped and rolled to the left, got up and would be wide open to the left of the field???

Loved that play... just sayin... it worked ALOT for BIG plays.. sometimes Jason would have the entire field to himself out there in front of him.