Why not Pat Watkins?

[zrinkill]

It seems alot of people have given up on Pat watkins. He was a rookie last year who I thought played well considering.

In comparison to a legend

Pat's first year - 14 games, 28 tackles, 8 assists, 0 sacks, 4 passes defended, 3 interceptions.

Darren Woodson's first year - 16 games, 28 tackles, 5 assists, 1 sack, 4 passes defended, 0 interceptions.



Lets not give up on the kid yet.

 

[slick325]

It seems alot of people have given up on Pat watkins. He was a rookie last year who I thought played well considering.

In comparison to a legend

Pat's first year - 14 games, 28 tackles, 8 assists, 0 sacks, 4 passes defended, 3 interceptions.

Darren Woodson's first year - 16 games, 28 tackles, 5 assists, 1 sack, 4 passes defended, 0 interceptions.



Lets not give up on the kid yet.

I understand where you are going but Darren Woodson didn't start and was a backup to J Dub and then Pro Bowler Thomas Everett. Those players are head and shoulders better than what we had at safety in 2006. Only Roy Willy would have a shot at starting on that '92 or '93 team. Watkins wouldn't even had made that roster.

 

[fortdick]

It seems alot of people have given up on Pat watkins. He was a rookie last year who I thought played well considering.

In comparison to a legend

Pat's first year - 14 games, 28 tackles, 8 assists, 0 sacks, 4 passes defended, 3 interceptions.

Darren Woodson's first year - 16 games, 28 tackles, 5 assists, 1 sack, 4 passes defended, 0 interceptions.



Lets not give up on the kid yet.

Wasn't Woody a SS for most his career?

 

[Doomsday101]

I understand where you are going but Darren Woodson didn't start and was a backup to J Dub and then Pro Bowler Thomas Everett. Those players are head and shoulders better than what we had at safety in 2006. Only Roy Willy would have a shot at starting on that '92 or '93 team. Watkins wouldn't even had made that roster.

Dallas also had a pass rush at that time which is something Watkins and the rest of the secondary have not had much help with. You leave any secondary guy in coverage for too long and they will get burned.

 

[DallasInDC]

In order to know the full comparison you would probably need to factor in the followign stats:

TDs allowed,
yds allowed,
# of completions against,
completion % against,
3rd down conversion completions against.

If you looked at those same stats you posted for Tnew the last couple of years you would have to write them off as a bust given his draft status.

 

[2much2soon]

Because some people are impatient and expect every player drafted by Dallas to come in and be all-pro immediately. They also believe drafting a FS in the
1st round is a guaranteed lock move to solve the pass defense problems.
Watkins may or may not be the answer but no one knows for sure.

 

[slick325]

Dallas also had a pass rush at that time which is something Watkins and the rest of the secondary have not had much help with. You leave any secondary guy in coverage for too long and they will get burned.

I can agree with that. There is no doubt we need a better and more consistent pass rush. I just don't think Watkins has "it". I watched him his two seasons starting at FSU and last season and he is decent. He will be a decent pro IMO. I just think he is a good backup type player like DT Chad Hennings was on the '92 and '93 teams. Watkins may be best served as a spot player.

 

[The Realist]

It seems alot of people have given up on Pat watkins. He was a rookie last year who I thought played well considering.

In comparison to a legend

Pat's first year - 14 games, 28 tackles, 8 assists, 0 sacks, 4 passes defended, 3 interceptions.

Darren Woodson's first year - 16 games, 28 tackles, 5 assists, 1 sack, 4 passes defended, 0 interceptions.



Lets not give up on the kid yet.

Not giving up on him, but that position has been our achilles heal for a while.

Competition makes everyone better.

Wouldn't it be nice to have depth at that position.

All the better if we add a guy who can play both FS and SS.

How we looking if Pat plays like last year and Roy gets hurt?

Now you're talking Scott/Dixon on Jerry's speed dial.

How about Watkins and KD as your starting safeties.

 

[zrinkill]

Watkins only started have the year I believe ..... he was even not dressed for two games.

 

[Doomsday101]

I can agree with that. There is no doubt we need a better and more consistent pass rush. I just don't think Watkins has "it". I watched him his two seasons starting at FSU and last season and he is decent. He will be a decent pro IMO. I just think he is a good backup type player like DT Chad Hennings was on the '92 and '93 teams. Watkins may be best served as a spot player.

Well your not going to have all pros at every position and I would hate to see Dallas use a 1st rd pick for a safety when I think we have a good safety in Watkins. I think with a better pass rush that our secondary will be just fine without it no secondary will do great.

 

[Jarv]

Well your not going to have all pros at every position and I would hate to see Dallas use a 1st rd pick for a safety when I think we have a good safety in Watkins. I think with a better pass rush that our secondary will be just fine without it no secondary will do great.

 

[slick325]

I hope I am wrong about Watkins and he turns out to be a Pro Bowl or near Pro Bowl level type player. If that occurs, that would mean my favorite team has improved so that is a win for me. I am on board with the Realist, bring in as many good players as you can.

 

[slick325]

Well your not going to have all pros at every position and I would hate to see Dallas use a 1st rd pick for a safety when I think we have a good safety in Watkins. I think with a better pass rush that our secondary will be just fine without it no secondary will do great.

I agree wholeheartedly but you can have better talent at every position. Nelson, Landry and Meriweather are better talents plain and simple.

 

[zrinkill]

Well your not going to have all pros at every position and I would hate to see Dallas use a 1st rd pick for a safety when I think we have a good safety in Watkins. I think with a better pass rush that our secondary will be just fine without it no secondary will do great.

Right on the money with that statement ......

 

[The Realist]

Not suggesting we take a safety in one.

From two on FS is fair game.

We don't want to put our entire season on PW's shoulders.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree wholeheartedly but you can have better talent at every position. Nelson, Landry and Meriweather are better talents plain and simple.

Yes and they come with a 1st rd tag and I think there are other areas that we can improve ourselves other than FS. I think the lack of pass rush has been a bigger problem for our secondary than lack of talent. Our guys can't be overly aggressive in the secondary because they don't get a lot of help from the pass rush. I do agree that Nelson, Landry and Meriweather are talented players and would not be a reach should Dallas go after 1 of them I just think we would be better served looking at other areas than FS

 

[The Realist]

Well your not going to have all pros at every position and I would hate to see Dallas use a 1st rd pick for a safety when I think we have a good safety in Watkins. I think with a better pass rush that our secondary will be just fine without it no secondary will do great.

I think people would be happy with a solid FS that doesn't get us killed deep and that allows Roy to be more aggressive in the box.

Not an all pro, just a real solid free safety.

I for one would not use a first round pick on that.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think people would be happy with a solid FS that doesn't get us killed deep and that allows Roy to be more aggressive in the box.

Not an all pro, just a real solid free safety.

I for one would not use a first round pick on that.

They need help no secondary is going to cover for 5 or 6 seconds because they get no help from the pass rush. Getting more secondary players is not going to cure the problem getting a better rush will go a long way in changing peoples mind about the real talent we do have in the secondary.

 

[slick325]

To be honest, I really want Dallas to draft a CB and move Henry to FS. Glenn is getting old and may be on his last legs and Henry has broken down a little bit at the end of the season the last two seasons. CB needs to be addressed sometime as well. I think Henry at FS would be a solid move.

Whomever we draft in round 1 (DE/OLB, WR, OL, CB, FS, SS, QB, RB, TE whatever) I want him to be able to contribute immediately. The team is not good enough yet that our 1st rounder cannot be a starter.

 

[Doomsday101]

To be honest, I really want Dallas to draft a CB and move Henry to FS. Glenn is getting old and may be on his last legs and Henry has broken down a little bit at the end of the season the last two seasons. CB needs to be addressed sometime as well. I think Henry at FS would be a solid move.

Whomever we draft in round 1 (DE/OLB, WR, OL, CB, FS, SS, QB, RB, TE whatever) I want him to be able to contribute immediately. The team is not good enough yet that our 1st rounder cannot be a starter.

I would agree and even more so with getting help from who ever our 1st rd pick is. As for being a starter that depends for example if Dallas were to get a WR I want to see him in the mix for sure but if both TO and Glenn are here I would not expect a rookie to take their jobs