Why not Pat Watkins?

[Seven]

Get a FS that can cover someone all day long. Watkins didn't look to be that, 1st year or not.

Silly to not include a very important factor.

Look folks, the FS is the captain of the secondary ship. It's tough mentally and probably one of the biggest jumps from College ball to pro.

 

[theogt]

Watkins wasn't even bad overall in the Giants game. He just had one bad play that for whatever reason he didn't jump for the ball (and the ref helped Burress out). Other than that, he wasn't an issue in coverage in that game and actually tackled pretty well.

He was awful in the Eagles game and that was really it.



YAKUZA

Agreed. I was just saying there was the one play from the Philly game and the one play from the Giants game. Those two plays really stick out in people's minds.

 

[Hoofbite]

i like how people convienently forget about the lack of passrush when saying things like this. but bring up the lack of passrush when they need it to prove their own point

as if a passrush will just cure an inept player......I don't think Killa Keith could cover even if he had the Ravens pass rush.

It will help a lot....no doubt about it but the pass rush will not be there every play. Sorry to crack it to you but its just not going to be there every single down because thats just impossible.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I like Pat Watkins... long term. This is why I'm huge on us either signing a free agent CB or spending a 1st round pick on one. This way we move Anthony Henry to free safety, a position I feel he will play pretty well. Then on nickel packages (which defenses spend an awful a lot of time in) you can put Henry in the slot and play Watkins.

I have no problem sending money on upgrading the secondary. Let's face it, it was our achilles heal last year. Roy is a stud (in everything other than deep coverage) and Newman is becoming a shutdown corner. Henry is serviceable (sp?). I just don't want to see us lose games becuase we get beat deep again and again.

 

[LatinMind]

as if a passrush will just cure an inept player......I don't think Killa Keith could cover even if he had the Ravens pass rush.

It will help a lot....no doubt about it but the pass rush will not be there every play. Sorry to crack it to you but its just not going to be there every single down because thats just impossible.

nobody is talking about keith, this a thread about watkins. and why is he inept? he was a rookie that came on late in the yr. whats the problem with that? carpenter came on late in the yr too.

 

[austintodallas]

I like Pat Watkins... long term. This is why I'm huge on us either signing a free agent CB or spending a 1st round pick on one. This way we move Anthony Henry to free safety, a position I feel he will play pretty well. Then on nickel packages (which defenses spend an awful a lot of time in) you can put Henry in the slot and play Watkins.

Yes...yes...yes...everything you just said.

In this scenario not only do we bolster and infuse youth into an already pretty darn good (albeit aging) corp of cornerbacks, but we wind up with two quality free safeties (Henry & Watkins).

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Agreed. I was just saying there was the one play from the Philly game and the one play from the Giants game. Those two plays really stick out in people's minds.

There are those plays but there is also the fact that he made no good plays that hurts as well. i mean he came backa nd the most you could really say was that he didnt screw it up thiat time.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement. i want something better than not a liability.

 

[theogt]

There are those plays but there is also the fact that he made no good plays that hurts as well. i mean he came backa nd the most you could really say was that he didnt screw it up thiat time.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement. i want something better than not a liability.

You really have no idea if he "made no good plays." I'm not trying to be offensive, but you can't know that. If he's covering a guy and the QB looks the other way, you have no idea what was going on. The guy had 3 INTs his rookie season while splitting plays. He was always in a position to make a play. He was solid in tackling. Never took any noticeably bad angles. He put up a few very solid hits. Seriously, the guy has the spot locked down for the next 5-7 years.

 

[tomson75]

There are those plays but there is also the fact that he made no good plays that hurts as well. i mean he came backa nd the most you could really say was that he didnt screw it up thiat time.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement. i want something better than not a liability.

He made plays. Saying otherwise is silly.

You don't get 3 ints, 4 passes defensed, 2 forced fumbles, and one fumble recovered by making zero plays.

One play I liked was when he made the block that kept KB in bounds on his INT return. He was the first guy to realize the play wasn't dead...and it payed off.

If we could've gotten Landry, I'd say toodles to Watkins, but we can't so...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You really have no idea if he "made no good plays." I'm not trying to be offensive, but you can't know that. If he's covering a guy and the QB looks the other way, you have no idea what was going on. The guy had 3 INTs his rookie season while splitting plays. He was always in a position to make a play. He was solid in tackling. Never took any noticeably bad angles. He put up a few very solid hits. Seriously, the guy has the spot locked down for the next 5-7 years.

sure thing, theo. i watched the same games you did and I actually paid attention to what he did and he did an excellent job of disappearing. as for always being a position to make a play he never did. i dont recall him defending passes and that last pick was clear pass interference as he and Roy ran into the receiver before Watkins caught it.

Im not saying he sucks by any means he has the physical tools and willingness. he just has yet to put it together and as such we need to hedge our bets. if he is so great hell beat anyone brought in anyway and if he doesnt well we impproved the position.

and the "i know football and you dont" angle was old months ago brah so just stop. i disagree with your assessment of his play.

 

[theogt]

sure thing, theo. i watched the same games you did and I actually paid attention to what he did and he did an excellent job of disappearing. as for always being a position to make a play he never did. i dont recall him defending passes and that last pick was clear pass interference as he and Roy ran into the receiver before Watkins caught it.

Im not saying he sucks by any means he has the physical tools and willingness. he just has yet to put it together and as such we need to hedge our bets. if he is so great hell beat anyone brought in anyway and if he doesnt well we impproved the position.

and the "i know football and you dont" angle was old months ago brah so just stop. i disagree with your assessment of his play.

My post completely flew by you. I wasn't criticizing your knowledge of football. I was just saying that a DB can make 10 great plays in a row and it not even be seen on camera. I'm not saying you don't know what a good play is, I'm saying it's impossible for anyone to know that he didn't make any good plays. Besides that he made plenty of nice plays on camera, so the question is moot.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My post completely flew by you. I wasn't criticizing your knowledge of football. I was just saying that a DB can make 10 great plays in a row and it not even be seen on camera. I'm not saying you don't know what a good play is, I'm saying it's impossible for anyone to know that he didn't make any good plays. Besides that he made plenty of nice plays on camera, so the question is moot.

And my stance clearly flies by you so i guess we can just be tow ships passing in the night.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I am definatly not in favor of spending a 1st round pick on a DB. In fact, I do believe that Watkins may, in fact, turn out to be a pretty good player for us eventually. I'd be OK with a DB later on in the draft but you have to give players a chance. A single season is not what I would call a chance. Watkins problems are not physical IMO. He made mental mistakes. Young players do that. That's why they call them young. I think it's a mistake to draft a DB unless the value of that DB is just to good to pass up at where we are selecting. Best Player available, if you will.

 

[theogt]

And my stance clearly flies by you so i guess we can just be tow ships passing in the night.

Your point was that he disappears. He's not a liability, but he's not a playmaker. I got your point. I just happen to disagree with it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Your point was that he disappears. He's not a liability, but he's not a playmaker. I got your point. I just happen to disagree with it.

And youre saying that he was always on his man and ready to make a play but i just didnt ntice it because its not obvious which i also happen to disagree with.

Safety at best is putrid at depth and at worst our weakest link by far on defense. Williams needs a good coverage safety to play back there or we get last year part deux with Roy out in deep coverage again and again.

Even if you grant that Watkins is it you still need to have something in place should he go down as Davis and co arent going to get it done.

 

[Hoofbite]

nobody is talking about keith, this a thread about watkins. and why is he inept? he was a rookie that came on late in the yr. whats the problem with that? carpenter came on late in the yr too.

I was using Davis as an example where a pass rush wouldn't matter. Along with the inept piece as well. Simply saying that a pass rush isn't everything if you don't have the players back there.

Personally, I don't think Dallas does. It would be nice to see Watkins develop into a solid player who can be counted on because then Dallas wouldn't have to waste cap space on a FA or picks in the draft. That would be awesome.....ideal situation. I just don't think that will happen. I think Watkins will be serviceable. He'll probably turn out alright but I think that they need someone better then alright back there.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Personally, I don't think Dallas does. It would be nice to see Watkins develop into a solid player who can be counted on because then Dallas wouldn't have to waste cap space on a FA or picks in the draft. That would be awesome.....ideal situation. I just don't think that will happen. I think Watkins will be serviceable. He'll probably turn out alright but I think that they need someone better then alright back there.

Why is it, specifically, you believe Watkins will not work out? What is it in this player you see that leads you to believe he can not turn out to be good enough?

 

[CF74]

Where did you get that stat?

I saw it and made a mental note

 

[Paniolo22]

I remember the guy made a play just about everyday in TC, so that isn't a concern. I am concerned about his ability to translate that to the field. As CP said, "I don't know, he makes plays in practice all the time, but at some point you gotta see it on the field"