Why not put McGee on IR

[AbeBeta]

Yes, I know that. But McGee is not one offseason away from "getting it" as a NFL QB. This kid is a project, he will need multiple seasons working w/the scout team.

McGee does nothing for the Cowboys this season, nothing. He would help the Cowboys more by going on IR than manning the scout team, just saying.

Does nothing for the team is irrelevant. Does something for his own development is the real issue.

What McGee on the roster running the scout team does is give him reps running a Pro style offense. McGee has all the tools. His limitation is that he played primarily in an option offense. Connect the freaking dots.

 

[BAT]

Does nothing for the team is irrelevant. Does something for his own development is the real issue.

What McGee on the roster running the scout team does is give him reps running a Pro style offense. McGee has all the tools. His limitation is that he played primarily in an option offense. Connect the freaking dots.

Is an individual's development the paramount issue over the betterment of the team. I'm sure that is the real issue.


Just like w/any business, an employee's development (especially for one that only offers POTENTIAL production) should never override the organization's productivity/efficiency.


You could do well to connect the freaking dots yourself.

 

[BAT]

Sorry if you took offense to what I said.

But to the point, being the "3rd QB" and being the "emergency 3rd QB" are two different things, and that's what I was referring to in my reply to the OP, that McGee wouldn't technically be "inactive" if he made the final 53. You're the one who slid in and misinterpreted what I said/typed.

Adam, being the 3rd QB is the same as the being the emergency QB (just not the Emergency Third QB) for all intents and purposes. Again, I did not capitalize "emergency" hence it was not a title. Nonetheless if I made a semantic error, it is my bad and I stand corrected.

I overreacted and I will accept your apologies if you accept mine.

 

[adamknite]

Adam, being the 3rd QB is the same as the being the emergency QB (just not the Emergency Third QB) for all intents and purposes. Again, I did not capitalize "emergency" hence it was not a title. Nonetheless if I made a semantic error, it is my bad and I stand corrected.

I overreacted and I will accept your apologies if you accept mine.

Of course man.

 

[dcfanatic]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d809f6279&template=with-video&confirm=true

» NFL'S "third-quarterback" rule -- sometimes misunderstood:

Seventeen years ago (1991) the third-quarterback rule was instituted to enable teams to have an emergency quarterback available who was not on the 45-man game-day active roster, since many teams, for strategic purposes, only carried two quarterbacks on their game-day roster.

Everybody thinks they understand the NFL's "third-quarterback" rule. But do they?

The rule states that if a third quarterback is inserted before the fourth quarter, a team's first two quarterbacks cannot be used in the game at any position.

Another aspect of the rule is sometimes misunderstood. It is a coach's decision as to whether a third quarterback will be used.

The active quarterbacks do not have to be injured for a team to use its third quarterback.

 

[AbeBeta]

Is an individual's development the paramount issue over the betterment of the team. I'm sure that is the real issue.


Just like w/any business, an employee's development (especially for one that only offers POTENTIAL production) should never override the organization's productivity/efficiency.


You could do well to connect the freaking dots yourself.

The BETTERMENT of the team? Do you understand what that means? McGee's development is not only about what he does for himself. McGee's development is about taking those last 8 roster spots -- the ones reserved for guys who aren't going to play unless there is an injury -- and using them for the guys who have the best chance to develop into valuable players FOR THE TEAM.

You seem to think that betterment of the team means this year. The fact is that those last 8 guys likely aren't doing much this year. That is especially true of ANY 3rd string QB. They rarely play. At best you use that spot for a guy who need the time to develop.

It is pretty obvious that McGee's development is good for the team. Open your eyes and you'll see the dots.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

In a pinch if a 3rd QB is needed Rudy Carpenter would be a far better option than Stephen McGee.

 

[AbeBeta]

In a pinch if a 3rd QB is needed Rudy Carpenter would be a far better option than Stephen McGee.

Who knew Rudy's Momma posted here?

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Who knew Rudy's Momma posted here?

McGee just looks awful. Not sure I've seen those kind of passes and QB play since the early Steve Pulluer days.



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I don't think any other NFL team would pick him up on waivers.

 

[speedkilz88]

McGee just looks awful. Not sure I've seen those kind of passes and QB play since the early Steve Pulluer days.



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I don't think any other NFL team would pick him up on waivers.

Vs. Tennessee
5/6 83.3% 52 8.7 1 0 0 0 142.4

 

[wick]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d809f6279&template=with-video&confirm=true

» NFL'S "third-quarterback" rule -- sometimes misunderstood:

Seventeen years ago (1991) the third-quarterback rule was instituted to enable teams to have an emergency quarterback available who was not on the 45-man game-day active roster, since many teams, for strategic purposes, only carried two quarterbacks on their game-day roster.

Everybody thinks they understand the NFL's "third-quarterback" rule. But do they?

The rule states that if a third quarterback is inserted before the fourth quarter, a team's first two quarterbacks cannot be used in the game at any position.

Another aspect of the rule is sometimes misunderstood. It is a coach's decision as to whether a third quarterback will be used.

The active quarterbacks do not have to be injured for a team to use its third quarterback.

I'm not sure that definition is even complete. A team could carry three quarterbacks on its 45-man active roster. In that scenario, wouldn't they be able to insert a third quarterback at any point in the game without impacting the eligibility of the first two? I could be wrong, but I would think the above definition applies only to an *emergency* third quarterback.

 

[AbeBeta]

I'm not sure that definition is even complete. A team could carry three quarterbacks on its 45-man active roster. In that scenario, wouldn't they be able to insert a third quarterback at any point in the game without impacting the eligibility of the first two? I could be wrong, but I would think the above definition applies only to an *emergency* third quarterback.

that is correct.

if you want your #3 guy to play in various packages then he's one of the 45 active players.

If you use him as an emergency QB, he's the 46th guy in uniform.

 

[BAT]

The BETTERMENT of the team? Do you understand what that means? McGee's development is not only about what he does for himself. McGee's development is about taking those last 8 roster spots -- the ones reserved for guys who aren't going to play unless there is an injury -- and using them for the guys who have the best chance to develop into valuable players FOR THE TEAM.

You seem to think that betterment of the team means this year. The fact is that those last 8 guys likely aren't doing much this year. That is especially true of ANY 3rd string QB. They rarely play. At best you use that spot for a guy who need the time to develop.

It is pretty obvious that McGee's development is good for the team. Open your eyes and you'll see the dots.

F the dots, look at what is directly in front of you right now, not what may be there in the future. The team is not improved THIS season w/McGee on the 53 man roster. There are currently half a dozen guys that Dallas is considering carrying into the season, these are guys who will be primarily STers. RIGHT NOW, special team positions are at a premium, McGee would be taking one of those spots.

McGee's development is good for the for team, but that is waaaay down the line. We are talking about current window of opportunity, beginning w/THIS season. Why is it so hard for you to differentiate long term and short term goals?

 

[Woods]

F the dots, look at what is directly in front of you right now, not what may be there in the future. The team is not improved THIS season w/McGee on the 53 man roster. There are currently half a dozen guys that Dallas is considering carrying into the season, these are guys who will be primarily STers. RIGHT NOW, special team positions are at a premium, McGee would be taking one of those spots.

McGee's development is good for the for team, but that is waaaay down the line. We are talking about current window of opportunity, beginning w/THIS season. Why is it so hard for you to differentiate long term and short term goals?

I've been saying this for a week.

Given injuries to so many of our rookies, we need to have guys who can contribute right away on STs and in certain defensive packages. It's unfortunate for McGee this year, but he's 3-4 years from really contributing anyway.

 

[dbair1967]

If he's put on IR, he can't practice right?

Thats correct, and its the reason I believe they cited as why they wont put him on IR. They want him to actually run the scout team offense all yr and learn on the field.

There's no reason to out him on IR to save a roster spot for another player. He'll be one of the inactives on game day anyway.

 

[dbair1967]

F the dots, look at what is directly in front of you right now, not what may be there in the future. The team is not improved THIS season w/McGee on the 53 man roster. There are currently half a dozen guys that Dallas is considering carrying into the season, these are guys who will be primarily STers. RIGHT NOW, special team positions are at a premium, McGee would be taking one of those spots.

McGee's development is good for the for team, but that is waaaay down the line. We are talking about current window of opportunity, beginning w/THIS season. Why is it so hard for you to differentiate long term and short term goals?

all 53 players arnt active on game day anyway, you have to have inactive players...he will be one of those inactive players...

and it HELPS you on game days to have a 3rd QB inactive because if something DOES happen to both QB's ahead of that guy, this person can play without taking up a game day active spot.

 

[dbair1967]

I've been saying this for a week.

Given injuries to so many of our rookies, we need to have guys who can contribute right away on STs and in certain defensive packages. It's unfortunate for McGee this year, but he's 3-4 years from really contributing anyway.

Again, this doesnt really apply to McGee because all 53 players arnt active anyway.

If all 53 spots were active, what you and some others suggest would make more sense.

 

[tskyler]

Correct.

Players on injured reserve can't watch their team practice or even sit in on meetings.

I don't think you are right on the second part. My understanding based on a Spagnola discussion is that he couldn't run the scout team but could sit in on meetings. Have no idea about watching practice but I thought they could watch film and be "coached" in a meeting room.

 

[skicat1898]

All this is moot.... McGee isn't going anywhere but on the final 53.

Jerry tried to hide Matt Moore on the PS a couple of years ago, that went real well didn't it.

McGee is a project but a very worth while one and could easily move into the #2 QB spot behind Romo after next season.

He has more physical tools than Romo when Romo got here he just needs to adjust to the speed of the NFL and the best place to do that is on the scout team going against the Cowboys 1st teamers.

There isn't anybody that McGee would keep off the team that would be any kind of a major or even minor contributor...

You have got to start developing for the future at some point and that is what many here have griped about Jerry not doing,,, well he is now.

As for those who doubt McGee's ability,,, I question your motives... I seen the kid play in person several times,,, and as a Longhorn fan, he broke my heart a couple of time.... He was totally misused at A&M, had they been a passing team or had he not been injured his Senior year he would not have been available to us in the 4th round.

Keeping McGee on the 53 does not in anyway effect our "Window" of oppurtunity this year.... If it does,, that window wasn't open to begin with.

:laugh2:

 

[skicat1898]

Oh,, as for the 53 roster spots.... 45 are active on game day plus one emergency player,, doesn't have to be a QB...

Two years ago Richard Bartel was on the final 53 and I don't believe he ever suited up for a game or traveled with the team out of town.