Why play calling is so vastly overrated

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It would make sense if we snapped the ball at yeah, yeah he-, yeah here, yeah here we-, yeah here we go.

This only happens if the QB is prepared confident and has pre-read the defense prior to the snap.
Do you know how hard it is in the red zone, when the defense doesn’t have to cover half of the field and they can play tight. It’s not about reading the defense. It’s about your players receivers fighting to get open and your quarterback having enough time to find them
 

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You see it all the time from fans during an NFL game after a failed play. “What a bad call.” Usually it’s a “bad call” when a play doesn’t work, or a turnover happens, etc. A “good call” always seems to happen when the play works, lol.

But when you really break it down, play calling IMO is very overrated. Sure having a ”good call” made helps but most fans don’t realize that the play called by the OC or HC is not always the play that is run or that the reason the play failed wasn’t the call, but actually the lack of execution by the players.

Here’s what I mean:
  • NFL QBs (especially experienced ones) have a ton of freedom at the line of scrimmage to change the called play and check into something else. That happens at least 30-40% of the time according to what I’ve read over the years. So when the play caller calls a run and the QB checks into a pass that doesn’t work, is it a “bad call” by the play caller or not?
  • Execution is so critical on every play. If one player blows an assignment on a key block or does not run a correct route resulting in a turnover or a sack, was it a “bad call” or was it poor execution? Too often as fans, we fail to understand that if the play had been executed properly, it would have been a “great call.”
So is having a “great play called” only as good as having each player executing their assignment properly? Isn’t it also the QB reading the defense accurately and being able to check into the right play and protection just as important? Or do we put 100% on the guy calling plays?

There was a caller on nick eatmans show who said this exact thing
 

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Great post.

I'd also add that there's an element of luck in terms of how the defense is called. There's some rock, paper, scissors going on.

If you call a run and the defense rotates to two high, you have better chances. And visa versa, if they drop a guy into the box. Same thing with man/zone coverage versus man/zone beater routes.

Or even with play action passes (if the defense decides to prioritize coverage, it can be very hard to get a pass completed as you have few people in the pattern, since you are selling run.)
 

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Dallas just needs to find a ground game.

That’s the only way you’ll ever have a chance with Dak Prescott.
 

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You see it all the time from fans during an NFL game after a failed play. “What a bad call.” Usually it’s a “bad call” when a play doesn’t work, or a turnover happens, etc. A “good call” always seems to happen when the play works, lol.

But when you really break it down, play calling IMO is very overrated. Sure having a ”good call” made helps but most fans don’t realize that the play called by the OC or HC is not always the play that is run or that the reason the play failed wasn’t the call, but actually the lack of execution by the players.

Here’s what I mean:
  • NFL QBs (especially experienced ones) have a ton of freedom at the line of scrimmage to change the called play and check into something else. That happens at least 30-40% of the time according to what I’ve read over the years. So when the play caller calls a run and the QB checks into a pass that doesn’t work, is it a “bad call” by the play caller or not?
  • Execution is so critical on every play. If one player blows an assignment on a key block or does not run a correct route resulting in a turnover or a sack, was it a “bad call” or was it poor execution? Too often as fans, we fail to understand that if the play had been executed properly, it would have been a “great call.”
So is having a “great play called” only as good as having each player executing their assignment properly? Isn’t it also the QB reading the defense accurately and being able to check into the right play and protection just as important? Or do we put 100% on the guy calling plays?
You nailed it with execution. The play is beautiful if the execution is accomplished, but as you mention.....it's dependent on everyone doing their job. One missed block or tackle a trip or stumble or missed assignment can make that beautiful play turn ugly.......then we just blame one before some of us look at the flaws and failures closely.
 

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You nailed it with execution. The play is beautiful if the execution is accomplished, but as you mention.....it's dependent on everyone doing their job. One missed block or tackle a trip or stumble or missed assignment can make that beautiful play turn ugly.......then we just blame one before some of us look at the flaws and failures closely.
you need the talent as well. Scrubs are not going to get it done no matter how good the play is or how good they do it.

but claiming that play calling is over rated you are saying that talent is also over rated and that coaching is also over rated and that scheme is also over rated. You have to have ALL of them to win it all.
 

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I used to like when Bill Walsh, 49ers head coach which script the entire first quarter and not deviated
He talked about that later and he said as long as it was working he would keep it up; but felt that the first quarter was figuring out the situation: how both teams were playing mainly.
After the first you pretty much know who is on and who is not; what is working and what is not.
 

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you need the talent as well. Scrubs are not going to get it done no matter how good the play is or how good they do it.

but claiming that play calling is over rated you are saying that talent is also over rated and that coaching is also over rated and that scheme is also over rated. You have to have ALL of them to win it all.
I'm not claiming play calling is overrated......I'm just detailing how film or review of a play can show why a play call goes from beauty to ugly......and it does have something to do with player breakdown, that includes lack of talent, undisciplined play, or someone on the other side just better.
 

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Yeah this is a wild claim.
The NFL or any sport is never as simple as this.

Show me a SB winner with a bad scheme?
Show me a non talented SB winner.
Show me a SB winner without being able to stop the run.
Show me a SB winner without a run game.

It’s not as simple as simply saying one aspect is under or overrated.

Why do you guys think Shanahan and McVey consistently compete regardless of talent? Or Mike Tomlin?
 

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Dallas just needs to find a ground game.

That’s the only way you’ll ever have a chance with Dak Prescott.
it's been 9 years catch...going into a decade...out of 10 years we have made the playoffs half of the time - going 1 and done 80% of those occassions...it's firmly time to believe we are not winning a SB until our next HC and QB combo. This is just to make sure the kids are set up well before the Sith Lord passes away - that is the only thing that makes logical sense. Let daddy make sure the team is still profitable up until his demise - even if that means changing the business plan to have the away teams fans in the seats.
 

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To some extent you could say that ,but I'm sorry here's the problem with the play calling if the plays that are being called are not designed very well or called at the proper time...literally the scheme is not good then the play call is not good from the beginning because it's so uncreative doesn't fit the situation you're calling it in ,then you're putting those players in a position to not execute properly..

What a good example of that how about last night's Longhorn game this stupid stretch play the sweep I guess a really fast defense when you're on the one yard line you call a slow developing play to the outside and it basically lost 7 yards and now it's third and goal from the seven instead of from the half yard line, if you'd have just ran the ball forward somewhere or had an RPO or brought in manning yeah coaching matters in the play calling matters..

I get what you're saying in the grand scheme of things that players have to execute because they can make a play look bad if they just fail to make a block, I get it or if they drop a pass or if they're open in the quarterback doesn't see him, or if the running back trips we get it,

but it does matter because the coach designing the play calls and picking the play to call at the right moments, you know trying to one up the defense or vice versa the defense is calling something,

you literally are counting on play calling to be done properly and in this case, Mike McCarthy is not a good play caller in most situations up against equal or better defenses.

we're not saying he's terrible but he is just not In Sync he's not aggressive enough, he doesn't have forethought the plays he calls sometimes just don't fit the situation but to begin with his scheme is not very good... I mean he doesn't have very creative designs he's using old school basic vanilla uncreative nonsense and that and that in itself is the problem when the play itself was designed wrong easy to be defended and what not then yeah the play caller is a problem the play calls are a problem they have been a problem I don't want to hear about the players or the injuries or execution it is quite obvious the first half of both seasons that might McCarthy's play calling is failed in most cases.​
 

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You see it all the time from fans during an NFL game after a failed play. “What a bad call.” Usually it’s a “bad call” when a play doesn’t work, or a turnover happens, etc. A “good call” always seems to happen when the play works, lol.

But when you really break it down, play calling IMO is very overrated. Sure having a ”good call” made helps but most fans don’t realize that the play called by the OC or HC is not always the play that is run or that the reason the play failed wasn’t the call, but actually the lack of execution by the players.

Here’s what I mean:
  • NFL QBs (especially experienced ones) have a ton of freedom at the line of scrimmage to change the called play and check into something else. That happens at least 30-40% of the time according to what I’ve read over the years. So when the play caller calls a run and the QB checks into a pass that doesn’t work, is it a “bad call” by the play caller or not?
  • Execution is so critical on every play. If one player blows an assignment on a key block or does not run a correct route resulting in a turnover or a sack, was it a “bad call” or was it poor execution? Too often as fans, we fail to understand that if the play had been executed properly, it would have been a “great call.”
So is having a “great play called” only as good as having each player executing their assignment properly? Isn’t it also the QB reading the defense accurately and being able to check into the right play and protection just as important? Or do we put 100% on the guy calling plays?
To some extent you could say that ,but I'm sorry here's the problem with the play calling if the plays that are being called are not designed very well or called at the proper time...literally the scheme is not good then the play call is not good from the beginning because it's so uncreative doesn't fit the situation you're calling it in ,then you're putting those players in a position to not execute properly..

What a good example of that how about last night's Longhorn game this stupid stretch play the sweep I guess a really fast defense when you're on the one yard line you call a slow developing play to the outside and it basically lost 7 yards and now it's third and goal from the seven instead of from the half yard line, if you'd have just ran the ball forward somewhere or had an RPO or brought in manning yeah coaching matters in the play calling matters..

I get what you're saying in the grand scheme of things that players have to execute because they can make a play look bad if they just fail to make a block, I get it or if they drop a pass or if they're open in the quarterback doesn't see him, or if the running back trips we get it,

but it does matter because the coach designing the play calls and picking the play to call at the right moments, you know trying to one up the defense or vice versa the defense is calling something,

you literally are counting on play calling to be done properly and, in this case, Mike McCarthy is not a good play caller in most situations up against equal or better defenses.

we're not saying he's terrible, but he is just not In Sync he's not aggressive enough, he doesn't have forethought the plays he calls sometimes just don't fit the situation but to begin with his scheme is not very good... I mean he doesn't have very creative designs he's using old school basic vanilla uncreative nonsense and that and that in itself is the problem when the play itself was designed wrong easy to be defended and what not then yeah the play caller is a problem the play calls are a problem they have been a problem I don't want to hear about the players or the injuries or execution it is quite obvious the first half of both seasons that might McCarthy's play calling is failed in most cases. What I see wrong with this offense is he doesn't have a lot of plays early in games that he uses to set up bigger plays later in games I mean he's not thinking about the entire game plan it's very obvious that your scripted plays should be the weed out how that defense is gonna play see what works see what doesn't work and then you get creative and you take some of those base plays and you turn them into more creative plays later in the game he just doesn't seem to have that mindset...​
 

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You give Mahomes a stick of bubble gum and some duck tape and he will go win a Super Bowl.
Hard to say. We’ve never seen him with a Jason Garrett as coach. But we’ve seen Andy Reid go to a SB with McNabb. Only time we’ve seen Mahomes is in college with Kingsbury. And we’ve never seen him without an offensive and defensive line.

I think that’s what makes Reid so good. He understands the importance of the trenches. Sure he may never have Saquon or Henry but he will run it like he does. And when it comes time to cut costs he will let Tyreek Hill go but understand he needs Chris Jones.
 

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You give Mahomes a stick of bubble gum and some duck tape and he will go win a Super Bowl.
As a big Texas Tech fan, I love Pat Mahomes. But in his 3 seasons at Tech we had one winning season. Which was not at all his fault because he had little talent around him. Even the greats need help.

A perfect example of this was the game against Baker Mayfield and OU when Tech lost to OU 66-59, with Mahomes throwing for 700 yards. But again, he had very little around him. That was usually the case when Mahomes was at Tech. Score 50 and still lose.

Btw, the Tech HC at that time was Kliff Kingsbury, who had one of the best offensive schemes in football. He’s an offensive genius. But without the talent on defense, Mahomes was just a great player on a below average team.

Which is why I often say even the best QBs need help. The chiefs and Mahomes don’t win that SB last year without their great defense. Mahomes had a couple of (for him) average games in the playoffs where his defense bailed him out.
 

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You see it all the time from fans during an NFL game after a failed play. “What a bad call.” Usually it’s a “bad call” when a play doesn’t work, or a turnover happens, etc. A “good call” always seems to happen when the play works, lol.

But when you really break it down, play calling IMO is very overrated. Sure having a ”good call” made helps but most fans don’t realize that the play called by the OC or HC is not always the play that is run or that the reason the play failed wasn’t the call, but actually the lack of execution by the players.

Here’s what I mean:
  • NFL QBs (especially experienced ones) have a ton of freedom at the line of scrimmage to change the called play and check into something else. That happens at least 30-40% of the time according to what I’ve read over the years. So when the play caller calls a run and the QB checks into a pass that doesn’t work, is it a “bad call” by the play caller or not?
  • Execution is so critical on every play. If one player blows an assignment on a key block or does not run a correct route resulting in a turnover or a sack, was it a “bad call” or was it poor execution? Too often as fans, we fail to understand that if the play had been executed properly, it would have been a “great call.”
So is having a “great play called” only as good as having each player executing their assignment properly? Isn’t it also the QB reading the defense accurately and being able to check into the right play and protection just as important? Or do we put 100% on the guy calling plays?
Mixing it up and not being predictable is what works. Predictable only works when you have better talent.
 
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