CFZ Why the “Run it Back” Philosophy Usually Doesn’t Work

[75boyz]

Ok. So enlighten us with your knowledge. Are you content with what we’ve been getting in the playoffs? What do you like, not like? Are we not “running it back” with the same core?

I welcome your disagreement but all you’ve offered is to call this thread “mindless drivel”. That seems like a pretty mindless response. Without any other feedback other than insults, what are you actually offering here? Argue something. Bring it! Otherwise this is just another emotional dive-bomber response which is pretty weak sauce.

Got your own personal stalker it seems.

 

[tm1119]

It’s laughable that we “can’t afford” to keep this core together. Some how over 1/2 of the league can figure it out, but it’s impossible for the richest sports franchise in North America to pay players.

Also laughable that the Jones’ think they are building a long term dynasty. That’s not how it works in the NFL minus Brady/Belicheck. You build up for a championship window of 3-4 years and then retool for another run.

It’s not a matter if it can be done, it’s just a matter of desire to spend $ and make it work

 

[Big_D]

It’s laughable that we “can’t afford” to keep this core together. Some how over 1/2 of the league can figure it out, but it’s impossible for the richest sports franchise in North America to pay players.

Also laughable that the Jones’ think they are building a long term dynasty. That’s not how it works in the NFL minus Brady/Belicheck. You build up for a championship window of 3-4 years and then retool for another run.

It’s not a matter if it can be done, it’s just a matter of desire to spend $ and make it work

That's the part Jerry doesn't get. He thinks he has a shot every year without actually winning anything at all. Either you have a window or you work towards that window. This clown on the other hand is living in a dreamworld.

Yet people still buy the garbage being sold here.

 

[removed_20241105]

In my opinion, one of the mistakes the Cowboys organization makes over and over is what I will call the “Run it back” philosophy. Which means you decide the core of your team cannot be broken up, (even if it potentially means your team could get better), and decides to “Run it Back” with that same core of players. The same core btw who hasn’t really accomplished much at all in the playoffs.

I am assuming our FO considers these guys the core based on current or future contracts: Dak (good but needs help), Zeke (over the hill), Tyron Smith, (always hurt), Zack Martin (HOFer), Pollard (good but RBs don’t stay good very long), Micah (stud), Diggs (good, not great), Lamb (good, not great), Donovan Wilson (good, not great), perhaps LVE (decent, often hurt, won’t be getting better). I may have left someone out.

Of all those guys, my untouchables are Zack Martin and Micah Parsons. That’s it- that’s the core. I also understand that Dak is here for years to come so he’s going to be part of the core regardless. (Btw, I’m not anti-Dak. I just think he’s a good starting QB who needs lots of support to win playoff games)

The problems with the “Run it back” kind of thinking starts with these questions:

• 1. What have we accomplished WITH those guys? Answer: We have won a couple of wild card games the last 5 years WITH most of those guys. In other words they haven’t accomplished much.
• 2. Can we realistically expect a 4-5 year veteran who has thus far been good, but not great, will somehow in years 6-8 become even better? We know Zeke will continue to slide, Dak needs lots of help, Tyron S may play a couple of games before getting hurt, LVE is one more neck stinger away from retirement. Is that really a core?
• 3. Who on this roster is completely untouchable? Micah and Zack Martin. That’s it. And I would probably listen to a trade option for Martin if it was big enough.

For the record, I’m not saying cut or trade everyone or blowing up the team. I am simply asking:

• Why not re-consider who the core players are or could be? (If the current core is so indepensible, why haven’t we won more playoff games with them?)
• Why not consider adding some guys aren’t here yet to the core? (Isn’t it possible we could get better than what we’ve been?)
• Why keep so many good but not great players at all costs? Maybe we should consider how to get BETTER.
• Why is the “Run it Back” the centerpiece of the future?

What are your thoughts about “Run it back”?

I agree with your post and especially in your categorization of their approach. I’m not sure if it’s them liking their players as much as the fear of something new, and Jerry not wanting to move on from those he drafted.

I also think Martin and Parsons are the definitive keepers. There is not a highly regarded player besides them that would concern me one bit if they got traded or not resigned even if they got less perceived value than they should. It is more important to me to see them willing to take a chance, then the actual transaction they might make.

That being said, they won’t change. So plan B to me is making our lines a fortress, or lucking into a Mahomes or Rodgers type QB.

They are Linus and his blanket in their approach to personnel.

 

[75boyz]

It’s laughable that we “can’t afford” to keep this core together. Some how over 1/2 of the league can figure it out, but it’s impossible for the richest sports franchise in North America to pay players.

Also laughable that the Jones’ think they are building a long term dynasty. That’s not how it works in the NFL minus Brady/Belicheck. You build up for a championship window of 3-4 years and then retool for another run.

It’s not a matter if it can be done, it’s just a matter of desire to spend $ and make it work

Great and accurate post.

 

[Rodney308]

Mindless drivel.

This thread/post is all just your random opinions without any facts to back it up. You have no idea how other teams operate on a multi-year basis.

Reading is fundamental. Of course the post is opinions. In fact, the poster begins his post by saying, "IN MY OPINION." So, any good reader knows that the post is not going to be fact based, nor is it meant to be. The second paragraph, the poster says, "I AM ASSUMING..." Thus, here again, the contents of the post is based on opinions and assumptions. The last paragraph contains the pronoun, "MY." Here again, the poster is not saying the the FO should consider those players to be untouchable.It is a list of players that the poster deems to be untouchable. So, no where in the post does the poster even suggest that he has any idea how the team operates, or even how the team SHOULD operate; talk about mindless drivel.....your reply to the post is the picture boy for mindless drivel.

 

[75boyz]

Reading is fundamental. Of course the post is opinions. In fact, the poster begins his post by saying, "IN MY OPINION." So, any good reader knows that the post is not going to be fact based, nor is it meant to be. The second paragraph, the poster says, "I AM ASSUMING..." Thus, here again, the contents of the post is based on opinions and assumptions. The last paragraph contains the pronoun, "MY." Here again, the poster is not saying the the FO should consider those players to be untouchable.It is a list of players that the poster deems to be untouchable. So, no where in the post does the poster even suggest that he has any idea how the team operates, or even how the team SHOULD operate; talk about mindless drivel.....your reply to the post is the picture boy for mindless drivel.

Good stuff.

 

[shabazz]

In my opinion, one of the mistakes the Cowboys organization makes over and over is what I will call the “Run it back” philosophy. Which means you decide the core of your team cannot be broken up, (even if it potentially means your team could get better), and decides to “Run it Back” with that same core of players. The same core btw who hasn’t really accomplished much at all in the playoffs.

I am assuming our FO considers these guys the core based on current or future contracts: Dak (good but needs help), Zeke (over the hill), Tyron Smith, (always hurt), Zack Martin (HOFer), Pollard (good but RBs don’t stay good very long), Micah (stud), Diggs (good, not great), Lamb (good, not great), Donovan Wilson (good, not great), perhaps LVE (decent, often hurt, won’t be getting better). I may have left someone out.

Of all those guys, my untouchables are Zack Martin and Micah Parsons. That’s it- that’s the core. I also understand that Dak is here for years to come so he’s going to be part of the core regardless. (Btw, I’m not anti-Dak. I just think he’s a good starting QB who needs lots of support to win playoff games)

The problems with the “Run it back” kind of thinking starts with these questions:

• 1. What have we accomplished WITH those guys? Answer: We have won a couple of wild card games the last 5 years WITH most of those guys. In other words they haven’t accomplished much.
• 2. Can we realistically expect a 4-5 year veteran who has thus far been good, but not great, will somehow in years 6-8 become even better? We know Zeke will continue to slide, Dak needs lots of help, Tyron S may play a couple of games before getting hurt, LVE is one more neck stinger away from retirement. Is that really a core?
• 3. Who on this roster is completely untouchable? Micah and Zack Martin. That’s it. And I would probably listen to a trade option for Martin if it was big enough.

For the record, I’m not saying cut or trade everyone or blowing up the team. I am simply asking:

• Why not re-consider who the core players are or could be? (If the current core is so indepensible, why haven’t we won more playoff games with them?)
• Why not consider adding some guys aren’t here yet to the core? (Isn’t it possible we could get better than what we’ve been?)
• Why keep so many good but not great players at all costs? Maybe we should consider how to get BETTER.
• Why is the “Run it Back” the centerpiece of the future?

What are your thoughts about “Run it back”?

Sometimes mismanagement of the salary cap and misappraisal of one’s players relegates it to more of a “Limp it Back” approach

 

[Chuck 54]

I agree that we can win playoff games with Dak. But it seems pretty clear he needs a lot more help than he’s been given. My question is if all we’ve accomplished to this point with Dak is two WC wins in 7 years, why would we expect in year 8 with the same basic core that we’re going to get better results?

Better defense for a change?

 

[shabazz]

That's the part Jerry doesn't get. He thinks he has a shot every year without actually winning anything at all. Either you have a window or you work towards that window. This clown on the other hand is living in a dreamworld.

Yet people still buy the garbage being sold here.

Very few here actually buy the garbage…..it’s just that as true fans we’ve got no where else to go and the guys in charge aren’t going anywhere soon. It’s frustrating because we all know that having a real GM could make all the difference

 

[shabazz]

Better defense for a change?

Not sure if you’re being sarcastic but against the Niners our defense gave up 1 TD and a little over 300 yards of total offense by them……our offense failed us that playoff game.

the 2 INTs didn’t help our cause either

 

[XXLMike]

Except Dallas, isn it running back? We fired the entire coaching staff. Basically we have an entirely new play caller.and OL philosophy.

 

[LatinMind]

In my opinion, one of the mistakes the Cowboys organization makes over and over is what I will call the “Run it back” philosophy. Which means you decide the core of your team cannot be broken up, (even if it potentially means your team could get better), and decides to “Run it Back” with that same core of players. The same core btw who hasn’t really accomplished much at all in the playoffs.

I am assuming our FO considers these guys the core based on current or future contracts: Dak (good but needs help), Zeke (over the hill), Tyron Smith, (always hurt), Zack Martin (HOFer), Pollard (good but RBs don’t stay good very long), Micah (stud), Diggs (good, not great), Lamb (good, not great), Donovan Wilson (good, not great), perhaps LVE (decent, often hurt, won’t be getting better). I may have left someone out.

Of all those guys, my untouchables are Zack Martin and Micah Parsons. That’s it- that’s the core. I also understand that Dak is here for years to come so he’s going to be part of the core regardless. (Btw, I’m not anti-Dak. I just think he’s a good starting QB who needs lots of support to win playoff games)

The problems with the “Run it back” kind of thinking starts with these questions:

• 1. What have we accomplished WITH those guys? Answer: We have won a couple of wild card games the last 5 years WITH most of those guys. In other words they haven’t accomplished much.
• 2. Can we realistically expect a 4-5 year veteran who has thus far been good, but not great, will somehow in years 6-8 become even better? We know Zeke will continue to slide, Dak needs lots of help, Tyron S may play a couple of games before getting hurt, LVE is one more neck stinger away from retirement. Is that really a core?
• 3. Who on this roster is completely untouchable? Micah and Zack Martin. That’s it. And I would probably listen to a trade option for Martin if it was big enough.

For the record, I’m not saying cut or trade everyone or blowing up the team. I am simply asking:

• Why not re-consider who the core players are or could be? (If the current core is so indepensible, why haven’t we won more playoff games with them?)
• Why not consider adding some guys aren’t here yet to the core? (Isn’t it possible we could get better than what we’ve been?)
• Why keep so many good but not great players at all costs? Maybe we should consider how to get BETTER.
• Why is the “Run it Back” the centerpiece of the future?

What are your thoughts about “Run it back”?

Dallas rebuilt this team in 2 yrs basically. Rather than running it back, I'd say they're still building. Seems like they want to add some vet leadership with the Gilmore signing. They're young enough, they need veterans to teach. Look at the improvements to both lines peters and Hankins provided.