Why the pro-romo/no romo debate will remain

[thechosen1n2]

and why both sides are right................................and wrong.

If you were to grade starting qbs in the league by a rating system Romo Grades very well. (5 being the highest and 1 being the lowest)

Accuracy/completion percentage/qb rating
Play Making
Broken Play Ability
Maneuverability
Pocket Presence
Decision Making
No name 4 this (running game shut down and offense in qb's hands)
Pressure Situations-

I would venture to say That Romo is in the top 5 in all those categories. All you "nay sayers" hold your horses, i know what you are thinking. "Top 5 in decision making, and pressure situations, this is a joke." My response to that is you dont average the best qb rating since you been a starter and not have good decision making ability or have a certain command over pressure situations. Romo has all the makings of a great quarterback. If you take all the top qbs (romo, brady, p manning, big ben, mcnabb, rivers, brees) By this rating system Romo would grade higher than all these guys because he is the only one that would place in the top 5 in every category. (The reason he has so many backers)

Sadly this is the same reason he has so many bashers. Its the timing of his mistakes, and a lot of his mistakes are inexplicable. The "bomb" he threw against the ravens, that was picked, the ball he threw to Glenn that was picked, when you have witten and TO on the field, and thats the first ball going to glenn all year.

At times Romo is the QB equivalent of Deangelo Hall in Atlanta. Makes all the flashy highlight plays, but gives away catches/points looking for the big play too much. Romo can be a double agent.

Pro Romo guys, need to quit painting him as a savior because he is better than what we had. If I tell my kids to clean their room (messy bed, toys on the floor) and I go up there, and the toys are up, but the bed is still messy, that does not mean the room is immaculate, it just means that it was better than it was before.

No Romo guys need to stop expecting things too early. Every big game loss was not romos fault (NY Playoff Game comes to mind). So just because he has not won a big game (depending on your defintion) does not mean that he cant.

My Assessment: 40 games is too quick to make and assessment either way.

 

[zrinkill]

This is a great posts and puts both sides in their place.

 

[thechosen1n2]

This is a great posts and puts both sides in their place.

Probably wont be seen, its long, and there are a bunch of romo post as is.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

It's not that long and it's well thought out. I agree that it's too seen to truly grade Romo. I'd say he will be great one day based on what we've seen. My assumption is that he will improve like most QBs do over time. But at this point, the sample is too small. He has played less than three full seasons and he's still learning. People who say he's already 29 are not factoring in his lack of actual game experience and the fact that he came from a small college program. Under the circumstances, he has made great progress and still has a ways to go. He needs a mentor IMO. Garrett is too busy calling plays and I have no idea what Wade Wilson does.

 

[rcaldw]

I don't take major issue with the post, but I would add 2 cautions:

1. QB's aren't given 5 years to develop any more. Too many come in and play pretty well right away. (See Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, even the start that Sanchez has gotten off to) Those guys, especially Ryan, are playing some pretty good football already and they are in their 2nd year in the league. (Sanchez is a rookie of course) Not just 2nd year as a starter, 2nd year in the league.

2. The window of opportunity in the NFL has always proven to be a small one. Who would have believed in 1992 that it would all be over in 1995? (In terms of Super Bowls and dominance) We need Romo to get it together and to do it NOW. I know that sounds impatient, but I really believe it is realistic. Before you know it guys like Witten will start getting hurt, and having the nicks and dings that you get as you get older. I see that happening in San Diego already and it isn't just Tomlinson. That team stays hurt all the time.

 

[Z mann R2]

Off topic but.....

rcaldw you need to do something with that sig man.....TO does NOT fit in with those guys. It's bugging the hell outta me, lol

 

[DallasDomination]

and why both sides are right................................and wrong.

If you were to grade starting qbs in the league by a rating system Romo Grades very well. (5 being the highest and 1 being the lowest)

Accuracy/completion percentage/qb rating
Play Making
Broken Play Ability
Maneuverability
Pocket Presence
Decision Making
No name 4 this (running game shut down and offense in qb's hands)
Pressure Situations-

I would venture to say That Romo is in the top 5 in all those categories. All you "nay sayers" hold your horses, i know what you are thinking. "Top 5 in decision making, and pressure situations, this is a joke." My response to that is you dont average the best qb rating since you been a starter and not have good decision making ability or have a certain command over pressure situations. Romo has all the makings of a great quarterback. If you take all the top qbs (romo, brady, p manning, big ben, mcnabb, rivers, brees) By this rating system Romo would grade higher than all these guys because he is the only one that would place in the top 5 in every category. (The reason he has so many backers)

Sadly this is the same reason he has so many bashers. Its the timing of his mistakes, and a lot of his mistakes are inexplicable. The "bomb" he threw against the ravens, that was picked, the ball he threw to Glenn that was picked, when you have witten and TO on the field, and thats the first ball going to glenn all year.

At times Romo is the QB equivalent of Deangelo Hall in Atlanta. Makes all the flashy highlight plays, but gives away catches/points looking for the big play too much. Romo can be a double agent.

Pro Romo guys, need to quit painting him as a savior because he is better than what we had. If I tell my kids to clean their room (messy bed, toys on the floor) and I go up there, and the toys are up, but the bed is still messy, that does not mean the room is immaculate, it just means that it was better than it was before.

No Romo guys need to stop expecting things too early. Every big game loss was not romos fault (NY Playoff Game comes to mind). So just because he has not won a big game (depending on your defintion) does not mean that he cant.

My Assessment: 40 games is too quick to make and assessment either way.

I can agree with that...

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Scoring out of 10....

Accuracy 7 ( more often on the money but sometimes no where close)

Play Making 6 (when pocket collapses)

Broken Play Ability 9 (at his best playing unorganized football)

Maneuverability 9 (very shifty in the pocket but has issues at time w/ball)

Pocket Presence 4 (Might be rated too high here)

Decision Making 2 (if you cant learn from your mistakes you have ADD)

Pressure Situations 5 (sometimes makes the big throw, other times kills u)

 

[thechosen1n2]

Scoring out of 10....


Decision Making 2 (if you cant learn from your mistakes you have ADD)

Pressure Situations 5 (sometimes makes the big throw, other times kills u)

let me say this...i am very irritated with romo, but decision making cant be a two. Thats waaaaaayyyy to low. Dudes qb rating since hes been a starter in this league is higher than brady and mannings, and he is 2nd in touchdowns. Two is a bit low.

 

[rcaldw]

Off topic but.....

rcaldw you need to do something with that sig man.....TO does NOT fit in with those guys. It's bugging the hell outta me, lol

lol, I completely agree with you. Maybe Juke will do another one for me

 

[Everlastingxxx]

and why both sides are right................................and wrong.

Yes, but now there are these dumb lines being drawn and if you say anything positive or negative then you are choosing a side. I do choose a side...i want to win.

 

[Aikbach]

This is Romo's do or die season, fan or not, 2009 is show me something different time otherwise he will be the good but not great quarterback for the duration of his tenure in all likelihood, he's 30 next year, hitting his prime so it is now or not and i don't want to wait for 2010, been tired of waiting.

if Romo doesn't show marked improvement this post season Dallas will be buying their time with him until a promising replacement is found.

 

[thechosen1n2]

This is Romo's do or die season,

says the poster named AIKBACH. You can tell by your name what you expect from a cowboy qb. lol

cant say that i blame ya.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

This is Romo's do or die season, fan or not, 2009 is show me something different time otherwise he will be the good but not great quarterback for the duration of his tenure in all likelihood, he's 30 next year, hitting his prime so it is now or not and i don't want to wait for 2010, been tired of waiting.

if Romo doesn't show marked improvement this post season Dallas will be buying their time with him until a promising replacement is found.

Thats what scares me.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

then the playcaller needs to protect Romo from himself......we were up 24 - 20. We were on the Giant 46 yard line (a perfect place to call a bomb against bad teams/bad talent). Romo and Garrett were not having "any fun". So they call a play that I guess they thought would KNOCK the Giants out and give this grand opening night a grand opening play. It did not work and that turnover ultimatley cost us the game. I think we had battled back from the earlier turnovers and were poised to put this game away with a clock draining TD drive. Ultimatley, winning is the "biggest play" of the day. When this team (starting with the owner) realizes that how you win is not nearly as important as winning, we will realize our potential. Cutting TO was the first step in distancing ourselves from style over substance...so let's not panic and fall back into old habits.

 

[baj1dallas]

Accuracy: Manning, Brady, Brees, Pennington, Warner
Play Making (not broken plays): Manning, Brady, Brees, McNabb, Rothlisberger
Broken plays: Rothlisberger, McNabb, Romo, Cutler, Rivers
Pocket Presence/Decision Making: Manning, Brady, Brees, Eli, McNabb
(game) Pressure: Brady, Manning, Rothlisberger, Eli, <many tied for 5th>

Romo only shows up once.

Note: I am not a guy who thinks the Cowboys should give up/get rid of Romo. But he is not a top 5 QB in the league yet. Both Mannings, Brady, Rothlisberger, and even Warner and McNabb are more proven. Brees, Romo, Cutler, Rivers, etc have yet to prove they can lead a team to victory in a big game against top level competition.

 

[dadymat]

I don't take major issue with the post, but I would add 2 cautions:

1. QB's aren't given 5 years to develop any more. Too many come in and play pretty well right away. (See Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, even the start that Sanchez has gotten off to) Those guys, especially Ryan, are playing some pretty good football already and they are in their 2nd year in the league. (Sanchez is a rookie of course) Not just 2nd year as a starter, 2nd year in the league.

2. The window of opportunity in the NFL has always proven to be a small one. Who would have believed in 1992 that it would all be over in 1995? (In terms of Super Bowls and dominance) We need Romo to get it together and to do it NOW. I know that sounds impatient, but I really believe it is realistic. Before you know it guys like Witten will start getting hurt, and having the nicks and dings that you get as you get older. I see that happening in San Diego already and it isn't just Tomlinson. That team stays hurt all the time.

those two are exceptions not the rule....it doesnt happen that way too often..if im wrong please feel free to give us a list with more names....and Sanchez isnt doing anything special..in 2 games hes been a bus driver for a defense in 2 weeks 2 tds, 1 int, 2 fumbles......around here that gets you tar and feathered...yes they won but... not because of him...

 

[rcaldw]

those two are exceptions not the rule....it doesnt happen that way too often..if im wrong please feel free to give us a list with more names....and Sanchez isnt doing anything special..in 2 games hes been a bus driver for a defense in 2 weeks 2 tds, 1 int, 2 fumbles......around here that gets you tar and feathered...yes they won but... not because of him...

First off, that's 3 guys in their first 2 years, 1 of them a rookie.

2nd, the Jets are 2-0 and Sanchez' play Has contributed to that. Last week he was more than a bus driver in the 2nd half when they took control of that game.

He has 2 TD's and 1 int. Romo has 4 TD's and 3 int. Sanchez is 2-0 and Romo is 1-1.

The only criticism I have of SOME who defend Romo on this board is that they are in fantasy football mode. (I'm not saying you are) They look at a STAT LINE instead of looking at the BOTTOM LINE.

The bottom line in football is doing the things you need to do for your team TO WIN.

 

[wileedog]

Pocket Presence 4 (Might be rated too high here)

Really? I think his ability to sense pressure is one of his major strengths.

Unless I'm not understanding the qualification.

As far as pressure situations, Romo had a 114 QB rating in the 4th quarter last year, and a 102 the year before. He's is absolutely at his best in 2 minute drills, watch the Raven game again (if you can). I would absolutely rate him higher in pressure situations (if not pressure games).

 

[wileedog]

The bottom line in football is doing the things you need to do for your team TO WIN.

But there are so many other factors that go into that that have nothing to do with the QB. There are two whole units, defense and ST, who can blow a game that don't even generally speak to the QB.

The Jets beat NE because the defense absolutely stymied Brady - and that aint easy to do. What the heck does Mark Sanchez have to do with that?