Will Carr actually be restructured?

Common Sense

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Per the salary cap calculator at overthecap.com:

Tendering Chris Jones and restructuring Romo, Ware, Witten, Lee, Scandrick, and Orton puts the team somewhere around $5.6 million over the cap for 2014. That's before cutting a single player. I never bothered to plug in that scenario before because most of us have taken it for granted that Brandon Carr's contract will be restructured next year. It makes sense, since it's one of the easiest ways to find money for 2014, but it makes him virtually uncuttable for the duration of his contract. That's troublesome, but most of us just shrug and say "Classic Jerry."

Granted, there's truth to that, but even with a lame duck coaching situation, surely even he knows that you can't eliminate all accountability for a player and expect him to play up to the level that he needs to. Not restructuring Carr sends a message that he needs to step it up (He wasn't terrible, but for one, he absolutely needs to return to being the physical player that earned him the contract in the first place).

The reason I bring this up is because we keep getting caught up in the Ware contract situation. It's dangerous, but the team could still make one last restructure before having to cut him or reduce his salary outright in 2015. The savings wouldn't be quite as substantial as they would be this year, but relatively close. You can kick that can down the road, but once you restructure Carr again, you're stuck with him, whether he proves to be a poor scheme fit, suffers a career-altering injury, or decides to pull a Jay Ratliff. By eating his full base salary this year, the team could still part ways with Carr if it ever needs to.

So there you go. There's an alternate scenario for the offseason. Am I way off base here or what?
 

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Nice find...definitely going to bookmark this website.

If we cut Orton and Miles and do everything else you stated then we are close to 10M over the cap.
 

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It would be stupid not to restructure him, and restructuring him would not make him "virtually uncuttable."
 

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It would be stupid not to restructure him, and restructuring him would not make him "virtually uncuttable."

I guess I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around the financial responsibility of taking a $26.5 million guaranteed contract, guaranteeing an extra $10.5 in year 2, and then guaranteeing an additional $5 million in year 3. That's $42 million guaranteed over five years for a fricking cornerback.

Everyone always says "Just look at the guaranteed money LOL," except, you know, we never do.
 

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I guess I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around the financial responsibility of taking a $26.5 million guaranteed contract, guaranteeing an extra $10.5 in year 2, and then guaranteeing an additional $5 million in year 3. That's $42 million guaranteed over five years for a fricking cornerback.

Everyone always says "Just look at the guaranteed money LOL," except, you know, we never do.

Part of the guarantee was his base salary in year two.

So they haven't guaranteed any more as of yet.
 

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I wouldn't restructure Ware. I would cut him outright in early March or designate him a June 1st cut. I would prefer the latter because it would give us more relief this year but I don't know if we can wait until then. Even though we can designate him a June 1st cut, we don't get the savings until June 1st. So, if we have to be compliant in early March, we might have to do a few more restructures than I would like since we can't include Ware's savings in early march. I'm not sure how that all works.

Ideally, make Ware and Miles June 1st cuts and try to keep the re-structures to a minimum. I would be leery of restructuring Romo too much. I have a suspicion his back is not that well and 2014 will be his last year playing and he may be a 2015 June 1st cut.
 

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Nice find...definitely going to bookmark this website.

If we cut Orton and Miles and do everything else you stated then we are close to 10M over the cap.

Don't think we will cut Orton with romos back situation
 

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I would be leery of restructuring Romo too much. I have a suspicion his back is not that well and 2014 will be his last year playing and he may be a 2015 June 1st cut.

Why do you have this "suspicion" about Romo and his back? The procedure is not serious by any stretch of the imagination and if anything he will feel better than he has in a long time.

I have a suspicion that youre just grasping at anything to complain and be negative about.


EDIT- after reading post history, suspicion confirmed as fact.
 

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It would be stupid not to restructure him, and restructuring him would not make him "virtually uncuttable."

If Dallas restructures Brandon Carr, it would still be possible to release him as early as 2015, should it be necessary, using the June designation (create $7.49M avail. June 2nd). The team would have to be able to carry Carr's cap number until June in order to do this.

The Cowboys would save $4.1655M in 2016 with a normal release or the June release in 2015.

2017 is a voidable option year present only for salary cap accounting purposes.


Don't think we will cut Orton with romos back situation

Agreed.

Jason Garrett likes having a veteran quarterback behind his starter.
 

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I guess I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around the financial responsibility of taking a $26.5 million guaranteed contract, guaranteeing an extra $10.5 in year 2, and then guaranteeing an additional $5 million in year 3. That's $42 million guaranteed over five years for a fricking cornerback.

Everyone always says "Just look at the guaranteed money LOL," except, you know, we never do.

What in the world are you talking about? All a restructure does is take the money that you're paying him this season and change how it is charged against the cap. You're not guaranteeing anything after this season. If you're not going to cut him now and eat the cap hit, then you restructure him and minimize this season's cap number. Doing anything else would be stupid.
 

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I guess I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around the financial responsibility of taking a $26.5 million guaranteed contract, guaranteeing an extra $10.5 in year 2, and then guaranteeing an additional $5 million in year 3. That's $42 million guaranteed over five years for a fricking cornerback.

Everyone always says "Just look at the guaranteed money LOL," except, you know, we never do.

I'm pretty sure year 2 was part of the original guarantee. When people on this board talk about how contracts were designed to be restructured in year 2 that is about converting guaranteed $ to bonus
 

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I guess I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around the financial responsibility of taking a $26.5 million guaranteed contract, guaranteeing an extra $10.5 in year 2, and then guaranteeing an additional $5 million in year 3. That's $42 million guaranteed over five years for a fricking cornerback.

Everyone always says "Just look at the guaranteed money LOL," except, you know, we never do.

Yep - just checked. 2013 salary was part of guaranteed $. You are double counting that money - this is likely why you are having a hard time wrapping your head around this
 

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I guess I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around the financial responsibility of taking a $26.5 million guaranteed contract, guaranteeing an extra $10.5 in year 2, and then guaranteeing an additional $5 million in year 3. That's $42 million guaranteed over five years for a fricking cornerback.

Everyone always says "Just look at the guaranteed money LOL," except, you know, we never do.

$42 million guaranteed for a CB that is not even that good....................................smh
 

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Let's hope Carr restructures and can get his head out of his *** and start to play like the guy we thought we were going to get in the first place. He was deplorable last season.
 

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there isn't a CB in the league that can cover for as long as the DB's need to cover for dallas...if there was a modicum of pressure on the opposing QB's, then they wouldn't be able to just sit back, do their nails, read the newspaper until someone gets open....

...I am NOT on the Carr sucked last year bandwagon at all....he had moments where he got torched (see: megatron) but he also played well in games...

they have got to restructure him, his contract, Iike tony's, like Lee's has the built in "restructure" designed into it
 

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$42 million guaranteed for a CB that is not even that good....................................smh

Like I pointed out, the op double counted year 2. That money that was restructured was part of the 25 mill guarantee. As for year three, unless you plan to cut the guy, all that guaranteeing the salary does is change when he gets it.
 

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I guess I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around the financial responsibility of taking a $26.5 million guaranteed contract, guaranteeing an extra $10.5 in year 2, and then guaranteeing an additional $5 million in year 3. That's $42 million guaranteed over five years for a fricking cornerback.

Everyone always says "Just look at the guaranteed money LOL," except, you know, we never do.

This team EVERY YEAR finds a way to get under the cap and still play in Free Agency or keep their own

It will happen again once this year, but instead Dez and Tyron will be given long and well deserved extensions.

Why do you waste so much time worrying about stupid crap that is never an issue?
 

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Is there any way we can work into the new contract that he plays for another team?

What a horrifically bad decision.
 

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I guess I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around the financial responsibility of taking a $26.5 million guaranteed contract, guaranteeing an extra $10.5 in year 2, and then guaranteeing an additional $5 million in year 3. That's $42 million guaranteed over five years for a fricking cornerback.

Everyone always says "Just look at the guaranteed money LOL," except, you know, we never do.

His base salary would be guaranteed if he is on the roster for game 1. Restructuring just guarantees most of it in March. At the end of the season they've paid him the same amount regardless of whether is was restructured or not.

If Carr were to be cut after 2014, he would have received a total of 32.5M. There would not be any guaranteed money above that amount.
 

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I can't remember where I read it, an article saying many of those players have it built into their contracts. They have the right to take money and pay it as a signing bonus, therefore, lower this years cap by $20 million. It may have been DMN or FW Startlegram.
Has anyone seen this, and how will it effect future caps.
 
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