Will Linehan go more no huddle?

[Doomsday101]

I've never sad the offense was so freaking bad, I said Garrett was bad. Our offense compensates for Garrett's ineptness, particularly Romo.

Garrett was demoted from the offense and that's the reality. Not because he was great, not because he was good, but because he failed. It is what it is. I know, it's hard to accept. Jerry even said he was still not keeping away last year from the offense and he's not having it, and he is going to make him stand around the defense more. In fact, in order to improve the offense, Jerry found it better that instead of just having Callahan fully control the offense with a system that he doesn't coach, he'll get Linehan because he suddenly became available for the pass offense. It clearly indicates Dallas still believes the offensive passing game is bad and Callahan improved what he was suppose to, which was the running game.

And I just find the irony laughable. The defense has no bearing on how the offense plays, but the offense has no bearing on how the defense plays for the Garrett homers. When Wade was around, Garrett's 3 and outs between the 2nd and 3rd had no bearing on the defense 'folding' and how it played the game, but when Garrett is responsible, the offense has to bear all the pressure.

what is laughable it seeing half statement with you filling in the blank as you see fit.

 

[khiladi]

what is laughable it seeing half statement with you filling in the blank as you see fit.

What is funny is you, for the last two or three years arguing with me over Garrett and how good he is, and Garrett getting demoted last year and Jerry this year, telling us his coach-in-training was still trying to get his hands on the offense and he's not having it and going to have him become involved in the defense.

 

[Doomsday101]

What is funny is you, for the last two or three years arguing with me over Garrett and how good he is, and Garrett getting demoted last year and Jerry this year, telling us his coach-in-training was still trying to get his hands on the offense and he's not having it and going to have him become involved in the defense.

He is the HC that is not getting demoted. handing over the playcalling to Callahan was to allow Garrett more control over the entire team which also happens to be the HC responsiblity and yes he will have some say over what the offense does and what the defense does he is the HC you don't seem to get that role. As far as my own view of Garrett and you can go back and check my post, I felt he should have been fired at the end of this season.

You tend to take partial statement not in full context but hey it fits you only views and that is what matters. lol

 

[Idgit]

I watch the games? You watched them too, you thought they were consistent?

Overall, I thought we were consistent relative to the rest of the league. And most of the statistics I've seen support that pretty clearly. I was curious whether you'd seen something measurable that indicated we were actually not very consistent, though.

 

[Idgit]

LOL.. You made a claim that average starting field position is what dictates scoring. I actually rejected this point by saying it tells us nothing about when Dallas scored on what drive. The onus is on you to establish that our defense did not hing for the offense. I can surely attest to Sean Lee's INT giving Dallas a score in the Detroit game, but according to you our defense lost that game despite 3 other TOs because of the 'last drive'.

We're not even following the same discussion. I claimed we have an effective offense in terms of points/offensive drive--which is about the only reasonable way to evaluate the performance of an offense since you want to look at what they do when they have the ball as opposed to holding them responsible for scoring when they're not on the field. You're the one who suggested that number was skewed positively by field position, to which I pointed out that it actually was not. I never said our field position dictated scoring.

If you really want to debate the performance of our defense last season and take the side that supports our play there, we can do that in another thread, but I can tell you right now, that's a losing argument.

 

[khiladi]

We're not even following the same discussion. I claimed we have an effective offense in terms of points/offensive drive--which is about the only reasonable way to evaluate the performance of an offense since you want to look at what they do when they have the ball as opposed to holding them responsible for scoring when they're not on the field. You're the one who suggested that number was skewed positively by field position, to which I pointed out that it actually was not. I never said our field position dictated scoring.

If you really want to debate the performance of our defense last season and take the side that supports our play there, we can do that in another thread, but I can tell you right now, that's a losing argument.

According to you that's the only reasonable way, the problem is, we all know that it's obfuscation if one doesn't take into account where the team started. You then tried to counter-act by saying the numbers don't lie based upon their average starting position, meaning you believed it and dramatized how their were discussions about it refuting this position. I then said that again is obfuscation because average starting position doesn't have anything to do with average starting position when Dallas scored. That statistic measures average starting position whether they scored or not.

You can't say defense had no bearing on scoring for Dallas if the field position that they got put them in field goal range, while the offense did if they only garnered three yards and they got a field goal. That's utter BS. BS like you trying to argue Sean Lee returning an INT to the 7 against Detroit doesn't reflect on helping the offense out, because to you it's just one giant big vacuum because your extremism in defending this hot mess of a coach Garrett.

Only your world is it a losing argument, which is why your boy keeps getting demoted. I know, it's hard to accept but it happened. You lost the argument long ago with your in training head coach who is now relegated to walking around by the defense.

 

[Idgit]

According to you that's the only reasonable way, the problem is, we all know that it's obfuscation if one doesn't take into account where the team started. You then tried to counter-act by saying the numbers don't lie based upon their average starting position, meaning you believed it and dramatized how their were discussions about it refuting this position. I then said that again is obfuscation because average starting position doesn't have anything to do with average starting position when Dallas scored. That statistic measures average starting position whether they scored or not.

You can't say defense had no bearing on scoring for Dallas if the field position that they got put them in field goal range, while the offense did if they only garnered three yards and they got a field goal. That's utter BS. BS like you trying to argue Sean Lee returning an INT to the 7 against Detroit doesn't reflect on helping the offense out, because to you it's just one giant big vacuum because your extremism in defending this hot mess of a coach Garrett.

Only your world is it a losing argument, which is why your boy keeps getting demoted. I know, it's hard to accept but it happened. You lost the argument long ago with your in training head coach who is now relegated to walking around by the defense.

I'm not sure you're using the world 'obfuscation' correctly, and you're not characterizing the debate accurately at all. And also, Jason Garrett doesn't 'keep getting demoted.' Other than that, khiladi, I think you're on to something.

 

[khiladi]

I'm not sure you're using the world 'obfuscation' correctly, and you're not characterizing the debate accurately at all. And also, Jason Garrett doesn't 'keep getting demoted.' Other than that, khiladi, I think you're on to something.

I could call your argument just a woeful lack of understanding in how to apply certain measurables to prove something what you claim 'definitively' but since I clarified how obvious your using the measurable incorrectly, it's pretty much become obfuscation.

Just in case you forgot:

You can't say defense had no bearing on scoring for Dallas if the field position that they got put them in field goal range, while the offense did if they only garnered three yards and they got a field goal. That's utter BS. BS like you trying to argue Sean Lee returning an INT to the 7 against Detroit doesn't reflect on helping the offense out, because to you it's just one giant big vacuum because your extremism in defending this hot mess of a coach Garrett.

That is what you call selective bias in your use of these measurable a which you claim are 'definitive' in proving a point. Our defense surely wasn't the worst in history in things like TOs, us being far better last year than Rob Ryan's defense,

And when your getting duties taken away, when you don't want then taken away, that's a demotion, irrespective of the paper titles.

But yeah, keep cheering on the head-coach in training... Your story is predictable...

 

[Idgit]

I could call your argument just a woeful lack of understanding in how to apply certain measurables to prove something what you claim 'definitively' but since I clarified how obvious your using the measurable incorrectly, it's pretty much become obfuscation.

Just in case you forgot:



That is what you call selective bias in your use of these measurable a which you claim are 'definitive' in proving a point. Our defense surely wasn't the worst in history in things like TOs, us being far better last year than Rob Ryan's defense,

And when your getting duties taken away, when you don't want then taken away, that's a demotion, irrespective of the paper titles.

But yeah, keep cheering on the head-coach in training... Your story is predictable...

Id like to keep this up, khiladi, but at this point I can't even follow the arguments you're making or how they pertain to what I've actually said. Let's just agree to disagree some more, ok?

 

[ShiningStar]

the no huddle will be stopped right after the first interception

 

[Redball Express]

No huddle or not they have to create rhythm and TEMPO

What I'd just like to see is about 6 plays that we can run..

..and positively gain yardage with them.

Something that is bread and butter and can be endlessly mixed as to be explosive.

..but becomes our trademark.

What we do really well and the other team knows it's coming but have to guess what is coming.

We did that under Jimster but haven't had it since he left.

I'd like that back.

 

[Brooksey]

We're not even following the same discussion. I claimed we have an effective offense in terms of points/offensive drive--which is about the only reasonable way to evaluate the performance of an offense since you want to look at what they do when they have the ball as opposed to holding them responsible for scoring when they're not on the field. You're the one who suggested that number was skewed positively by field position, to which I pointed out that it actually was not. I never said our field position dictated scoring.

If you really want to debate the performance of our defense last season and take the side that supports our play there, we can do that in another thread, but I can tell you right now, that's a losing argument.

Our defense is a bigger problem by far but the points per drive are so close per team, come on now. Take out the Denver game and were out of the top ten on offense, that's what everyone was watching the rest of the season, a sputtering, chaotic mess for the most part. If it was so good why is Callahan is out?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

No huddle doesn't make for a better offense. It could actually make you worse if you don't convert. And if you think your defense is going to be about the same as last year, the last thing you need is to give the opponent's offense more series against this defense. Forget the no huddle, just be more efficient on offense.

If the defense is the same as last year nothing the offense does will matter.

 

[TheCount]

Overall, I thought we were consistent relative to the rest of the league. And most of the statistics I've seen support that pretty clearly. I was curious whether you'd seen something measurable that indicated we were actually not very consistent, though.

The only reason I check stats in the offseason is for fantasy football, I can only tell you what I saw.

 

[khiladi]

Id like to keep this up, khiladi, but at this point I can't even follow the arguments you're making or how they pertain to what I've actually said. Let's just agree to disagree some more, ok?

Well, if your a Garrett defender and thinks he hasn't been demoted, that explains why you can't 'follow' the argument.

 

[khiladi]

Our defense is a bigger problem by far but the points per drive are so close per team, come on now. Take out the Denver game and were out of the top ten on offense, that's what everyone was watching the rest of the season, a sputtering, chaotic mess for the most part. If it was so good why is Callahan is out?

This idea that it was defense that just blew games based upon yards given up is absurd..

If you even look at the San Diego game, when Dallas gave up 500 yards on defense, Dallas was in the lead 21-13 going into the half. The first quarter until two minutes left, Dallas ran three series and went 3 and out all 3 times. They finally scored a TD on a long drive, but San Diego dominated totally the TOP on offense, because Dallas kept handing the ball back to them. The very next drive, Dallas got a 38 yard return by Dwayne Harris and Dallas went 3 and out again, attempting a 56 yarder. The defense got the ball back and the Cowboys scored. Then Dallas went up on an INT returned by Sean Lee.

 

[khiladi]

The second half of that San Diego game, the possessions was 4-5 in favor of San Diego and the first series of Dallas, netted 21 yards with 15 of those gifted on a facemask, meaning our grand offense netted six yards total on that series, right after San Diego had a long drive coming out the half to score. So when Dallas as an offense, coming out in the second half, could have done something they absolutely sucked. The very next series, after the defense held the Chargers to a field goal Dallas had a chance to answer and netted a whopping 30 yards. Dallas fumbled the very next series, only moving the ball after the Chargers went up by 9, meaning two scores away. They fumbled at the 7.

So Dallas scored 14 points on offense against San Diego and totally went cold the second half while being ahead 21-13, though the offense only scored fourteen f those points. Scoreless the whole second half... Don't even get me started on Detroit, which they lost, which Garrett homers want to blame on the defense.

 

[Idgit]

Well, if your a Garrett defender and thinks he hasn't been demoted, that explains why you can't 'follow' the argument.

Right. I don't think Garrett has been demoted, and I don't follow your argument.

 

[khiladi]

Right. I don't think Garrett has been demoted, and I don't follow your argument.

Thus, being a Garrett homer...

 

[Fredd]

IMO, the no huddle was successful last year in spurts because the other team couldn't plan for it...in other words, they couldn't plan for what they "knew" was coming with our bland game planning...if Linehan keeps the other team guessing, then bringing him in is worth it just on that alone

...I love the no huddle, especially with a seasoned QB, but to me, a hybrid of the hurry-up works best...just keep the opposing defense ON the field and don't let them rotate guys in...in our huddle, call 2 or 3 plays in a row and stick to your guns....then re-group and make your own changes when needed...this keeps the defense off balance and can certainly tire them out over the course of a game, and then Murray becomes even more effective