Will McClay has failed miserably

Sonny Koufax

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No an idiot would draft kelvin Joseph and Tolbert, and think that they’re going to supplant what we’ve lost… An idiot would take CeeDee Lamb over Justin Jefferson.
An idiot would continue to believe the company line since 1995 not calling you an idiot just a thought
No an idiot is a man that thinks he knows all the answers but doesn’t work in football but cries on message boards that he knows more than a highly respected man who has spent his life in the game. Sound like anyone you know?
 

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Will McClay is the only reason this organization isn't an NFL afterthought. Drafting is pretty much the only thing this organization does well. The team isn't well coached or disciplined, they don't work the free agency or trade markets well, etc.
 

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It’s time to dump this overrated figment of nfl imagination.

His 2nd round busts have destroyed us

His failure to add meaningful DT’s have failed us .

His OL flop projects have Stunted us .

Tolbert & Joseph should be end of McClay

Many comparative analysis studies have been done on draft history. The Cowboys have been one of the better teams in all of those studies during the McClay era.

Stephen Jones was convinced by Marinelli not to spend significant draft or cap resources on run stuffing NTs. Those type of issues are not McClay's decision to make...
 

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No an idiot is a man that thinks he knows all the answers but doesn’t work in football but cries on message boards that he knows more than a highly respected man who has spent his life in the game. Sound like anyone you know?
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This is a terrible take.

Will McClay is the only reason this team has enough talent to even be competitive.

Is this a compliment, though? So he only knows how to build teams are who are competitive every other year at best? You also just described his job description. He is paid to field competitive teams but we aren't with any sort of consistency This is the first time we have made the playoffs back to back years since 2006/07. We are in a never ending cycle of mediocrity. We do just enough to not suck. Every few years, we rise up and then the next year or 2, right back to being mediocre. Other years we are terrible due to injuries to the QB.

OP is right and I have thought this for awhile. His "genius" is overblown. His whole "Taco is a better fit for us than TJ Watt" in 2017 should be grounds for termination. Go back one year prior and drafting Jaylon Smith with a very top of 2nd rd pick when there was a chance he might never play again, and also, he wasn't a good player. No telling where he would have fell if we didn't grab him there. LVE in the 1st 2018 was a bad pick. Kelvin Joseph over Asante Samuel Jr. McClay is terrible after the 1st rd. And all we did is cycle through drafting players to replace needs caused by terrible picks years prior or we let people walk.
 

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It’s time to dump this overrated figment of nfl imagination.

His 2nd round busts have destroyed us

His failure to add meaningful DT’s have failed us .

His OL flop projects have Stunted us .

Tolbert & Joseph should be end of McClay

it has destroyed us? lol my god Cowboys are in post season back to back years, many of the draft picks have been key producers. You got to be kidding. If that is your version of getting killed give me more please.
 

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It’s time to dump this overrated figment of nfl imagination.

His 2nd round busts have destroyed us

His failure to add meaningful DT’s have failed us .

His OL flop projects have Stunted us .

Tolbert & Joseph should be end of McClay
So I understand every personnel guy not associated with the cowboys has hit on every draft pick from the 1st round down to the 7th round. No one but McClay has had some clunkers? Lets talk about DTs, he added Maliek Collins everyone here thought he would the next coming, he added Gallimore everyone here thought he was also the next coming. He Added Hill, Odiggy, Bohanna etc. You can complain they have not panned out or suck but he has added guys. Low 1st round and 2nd round players are probably the hardest players to grade, they have obvious faults but also have talent levels with guys drafted above them call them high floor low ceiling players, the one thing the draft process that is subjective is getting a read on a players work ethic once they get to the NFL. It is hard to figure out which guys will coast after get a few million dollars sprinkled into their pockets and the ones that can't settle for the 1st contract.
 

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It’s time to dump this overrated figment of nfl imagination.

His 2nd round busts have destroyed us

His failure to add meaningful DT’s have failed us .

His OL flop projects have Stunted us .

Tolbert & Joseph should be end of McClay
oxy and booze is one helluva combo I hear.
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So I understand every personnel guy not associated with the cowboys has hit on every draft pick from the 1st round down to the 7th round. No one but McClay has had some clunkers? Lets talk about DTs, he added Maliek Collins everyone here thought he would the next coming, he added Gallimore everyone here thought he was also the next coming. He Added Hill, Odiggy, Bohanna etc. You can complain they have not panned out or suck but he has added guys. Low 1st round and 2nd round players are probably the hardest players to grade, they have obvious faults but also have talent levels with guys drafted above them call them high floor low ceiling players, the one thing the draft process that is subjective is getting a read on a players work ethic once they get to the NFL. It is hard to figure out which guys will coast after get a few million dollars sprinkled into their pockets and the ones that can't settle for the 1st contract.
I think you should stop the "everyone" thingie.

The teams contending for super bowls are generally sprinkled w/ high draft picks or major FA signings at DT.

So, you're OK w/ missing super bowls as long as we're throwing mid at late rounders at DT?
 

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I think you should stop the "everyone" thingie.

The teams contending for super bowls are generally sprinkled w/ high draft picks or major FA signings at DT.

So, you're OK w/ missing super bowls as long as we're throwing mid at late rounders at DT?
So who did Dallas miss drafting, in the 1st 3 rounds in the last 5 years. There sure are a ton of all-pros in the list below. :rolleyes:

2022 (Dallas picked 24th in the 1st)
Jordan Davis pick 13
Phidarian Mathis pick 47
Travis Jones Pick 76
Zachary Carter Pick 95

2021 (Dallas picked 12th in the 1st)
Christian Barmore pick 38
Levi Onwuzurike pick 41
Alim McNeill pick 72
Milton Williams pick 73
Osa Odighizuwa Pick 75

2020 (Dallas picked 17th in the 1str)
Javon Kinlaw pick 14
Ross Blacklock pick 40
Raekwon Davis pick 56
Justin Madubuike pick 71
DaVon Hamilton pick 73
Neville Gallimore pick 82
Jordan Elliott pick 88
McTelvin Agim pick 95

2019 (Dallas had no 1st round pick, Amari Cooper trade)
Quinnen Williams pick 3
Ed Oliver pick 9
Christian Wilkins pick 13
Dexter Lawrence pick 17
Jeffrey Simmons pick 19
Jerry Tillery pick 28
Trysten Hill pick 58
Dre'Mont Jones pick 71
Khalen Saunders pick 84

2018 (Dallas had pick 19)
Vita Vea pick 12
Da'Ron Payne pick 13
Taven Bryan pick 29
Breeland Speaks pick 46
P.J. Hall pick 57
B.J. Hill pick 69
Nathan Shepherd pick 72
Derrick Nnadi pick 75
Justin Jones pick 84
Deadrin Senat pick 90
Harrison Phillips pick 96
 

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So who did Dallas miss drafting, in the 1st 3 rounds in the last 5 years. There sure are a ton of all-pros in the list below. :rolleyes:

2022 (Dallas picked 24th in the 1st)
Jordan Davis pick 13
Phidarian Mathis pick 47
Travis Jones Pick 76
Zachary Carter Pick 95

2021 (Dallas picked 12th in the 1st)
Christian Barmore pick 38
Levi Onwuzurike pick 41
Alim McNeill pick 72
Milton Williams pick 73
Osa Odighizuwa Pick 75

2020 (Dallas picked 17th in the 1str)
Javon Kinlaw pick 14
Ross Blacklock pick 40
Raekwon Davis pick 56
Justin Madubuike pick 71
DaVon Hamilton pick 73
Neville Gallimore pick 82
Jordan Elliott pick 88
McTelvin Agim pick 95

2019 (Dallas had no 1st round pick, Amari Cooper trade)
Quinnen Williams pick 3
Ed Oliver pick 9
Christian Wilkins pick 13
Dexter Lawrence pick 17
Jeffrey Simmons pick 19
Jerry Tillery pick 28
Trysten Hill pick 58
Dre'Mont Jones pick 71
Khalen Saunders pick 84

2018 (Dallas had pick 19)
Vita Vea pick 12
Da'Ron Payne pick 13
Taven Bryan pick 29
Breeland Speaks pick 46
P.J. Hall pick 57
B.J. Hill pick 69
Nathan Shepherd pick 72
Derrick Nnadi pick 75
Justin Jones pick 84
Deadrin Senat pick 90
Harrison Phillips pick 96
There sure are a lot of playoff wins due to our drafting. Right back at ya!!!!
 

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It’s time to dump this overrated figment of nfl imagination.

His 2nd round busts have destroyed us

His failure to add meaningful DT’s have failed us .

His OL flop projects have Stunted us .

Tolbert & Joseph should be end of McClay

Tolbert was drafted in the 3rd round not the 2nd, but don’t let that get in the way of your ridiculous ranting…
 

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There sure are a lot of playoff wins due to our drafting. Right back at ya!!!!
Why avoid the question, you are the one saying not using the right draft capital to draft DTs. I gave you a list of DTs drafted in the 1st 3 rounds for the last 5 years. Which one of those tackles would have helped that Dallas should have drafted? There is what 3-5 over that 5 year period that are All-Pro/Pro-Bowlers. Vea, Payne, and Q. Williams being the best of the group but were off the board by the time Dallas drafted.
 

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Why avoid the question, you are the one saying not using the right draft capital to draft DTs. I gave you a list of DTs drafted in the 1st 3 rounds for the last 5 years. Which one of those tackles would have helped that Dallas should have drafted? There is what 3-5 over that 5 year period that are All-Pro/Pro-Bowlers. Vea, Payne, and Q. Williams being the best of the group but were off the board by the time Dallas drafted.
I'm not, just been over this many many times before. Your question is more of a copout than a real question. You're approaching it from the wrong angle. Your way of thinking is that it's hard, so don't even try.

Alim McNeil. Cam Hayward. Grady Jarrett. AShaun Robinson. Hankins. Dalvin Tomlinson.

Those are off the top of my head.

Imagine if we don't make that joke of a trade, Amari Cooper, and end up w/ Jeffrey Simmons? Yes, Yes, I know, Amari was good, however, we gave up a 1/3 for a 4 year rental that gave us no playoff success and that we had to pay immediately, and it was a huge cap strapping amount. Horrible trade.

The DT's are there, but we don't make anything more than a passing dart throw, and don't even understand the traits to look for.
 
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