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Risen Star;5086172 said:
Even though Harris was emerging as a legitimate threat at #3, we needed a guy like Williams. He's the only capable backup who can play outside should Dez or Miles go down.

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Exactamundo.

Especilly Miles and his hammy's.
 

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Risen Star;5086172 said:
Even though Harris was emerging as a legitimate threat at #3, we needed a guy like Williams. He's the only capable backup who can play outside should Dez or Miles go down.

Capable? I'm assuming by that you mean he's not 5'10 and doesn't run a 4.5? I don't think we know that's he's a capable NFL receiver just yet, it's a little early.

I think the Williams pick was a nice, luxury pick for a team that has quite a few more immediate needs. Just because Jerry has been dubbing guys starters and future stars before they even showed up at minicamp doesn't mean that they are.
 

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I think it's going to be Williams. The more reps Wiliams gets, the better. Williams was brought in here to be the number 2 guy to Dez and put Miles on the slot. Next year we will more than likely roll with Dez/Williams/Harris/Coale/Beasley.

If you think about it, it doesn't really matter. Once Miles gets nicked up again(you know it's going to happen), both will be on the field.
 

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SDCowboy85;5086183 said:
Williams. Since Miles will likely move to the slot, Harris doesn't make any sense outside of filling in.

This!

Harris is a jag anyways
 

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The transition from college to pro football seems to take longer for wr's than a lot of other positions so I'm suspecting Harris will get more reps unless Williams is a really fast learner, dude seems to be a baller and I love the pick...
 

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ehcrossing;5086119 said:
Who you like as #3 harris or williams? I really thought Harris was coming on last year.

They play different positions. Harris is a slot WR, and Williams is an outside WR. Williams allows Dallas to put Austin in the slot when we go 3 WRs package. So, your question should be, "Who do you like Harris or Austin?"
 

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SDCowboy85;5086184 said:
A lot of people seem to forget that Williams is an outside guy and Harris a slot guy. While there certainly will be some competing for playing time, they aren't really playing for the same spot.

marchetta;5086236 said:
They play different positions. Harris is a slot WR, and Williams is an outside WR. Williams allows Dallas to put Austin in the slot when we go 3 WRs package. So, your question should be, "Who do you like Harris or Austin?"

Normally, a slot WR and an outside WR wouldn't be in direct competition with each other; however, the fact the Austin plays both the slot and outside makes it an equal competition for the 3rd WR spot.
 

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SDCowboy85;5086229 said:
I don't think he's a JAG. He's just more of a special teamer.

Yeah, he's not just a guy. He's pretty dang good in space with the ball in his hands. He's just the type of guy who's got more limited applications as a WR, but he's definitely someone you can use to get some mismatches in the right situation.

I didn't think much of him as a rookie, and have to admit I was really pleasantly surprised when he surfaced last season. I thought somebody from that WR group would, but Harris was pretty far down on my expectations list when he started making plays.
 

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Loved the Williams selection but don't sleep on Harris yet. Dude wasn't amazing by any means last year but he came on strong in key moments of games. I think he deserves his shot as the #3. He is not as talented as Williams by any stretch of the imagination, but he plays hard and at the very least can serve as a good stop until Williams is ready to take over.
 

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The thing everyone is sleeping on with Harris is that he seems to have good hands and is great with the ball in his hands. He is quite elusive but he is also very strong and runs through a lot of tackles in the secondary like a RB would. Miles and Dez are good at this too but Harris seemed to do it at a higher level than the other two did last season. You could really see it in his punt and kickoff returns, too. I think there was one play that I remember that got blown dead even though he ran right through a tackle where he got rolled over but never hit the ground - he just got up and kept running. I was impressed with how hard he competes out there.

The other thing people keep underrating is his blocking. He is a real good blocker. Our run game was too weak last year to take advantage of it but he is really good at it.

I was actually one who didn't think much of Harris after his rookie season. He was waived and later only came up for injury reasons and because Holmes hurt his hamstring. But he started to make plays in preseason against first stringers and I began to pay more attention to him. Finally when they lit him hit the field as a returner he brought some electricity to the position with his instincts and hard running style. Then he really started to come on as a WR and made lots of key plays in the last quarter of the season.

Year 3 is usually when WRs really start to come on so that would suggest there is more improvement to expect yet from Harris.

The other thing to keep in mind is that Harris is a bit green. I think he actually played a fair bit of QB and RB in college before moving to WR. So he was a bit green in route running and hands when he came here but is now really emerging.

When I think of him - a smaller but very tough WR who is a good blocker, hard runner, quick but not a burner and a bit undersized - I think of Hines Ward. Now it'd be a lot to expect his career to unfold like Hines' did but I see a lot of similarities and just love the way he plays and how much he has improved during the two years he has been here.

I have nothing against Williams and wish him all the success in the world. I'd love nothing better than if he became an elite WR. I just don't think it is going to click for him with the type of offense he came from in college and the work he needs to do on routes and hands. I do think he can be a vertical threat for us, though. That's where I expect him to make an impact after beating a couple of CBs deep and making a play on the ball with his length. From that point on defenses will need to give help over the top and that should open things up underneath for Witten, Miles and Dez. We also should be able to make a single high Safety play things more straight up which could give Dez some more breathing room to make plays over the top.
 

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ehcrossing;5086119 said:
Who you like as #3 harris or williams? I really thought Harris was coming on last year.

I don't think their roles are the same.
It's not an either/or thing
 

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xwalker;5086241 said:
Normally, a slot WR and an outside WR wouldn't be in direct competition with each other; however, the fact the Austin plays both the slot and outside makes it an equal competition for the 3rd WR spot.

I don't think it does. I think ideally the Cowboys would like to play Austin in the slot as much as possible as he's their best option there. So that would mean Williams has the inside track to the 3rd WR spot.

Now maybe he isn't ready and they have to go with Harris, but I do not think that's their Plan A this year.
 

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Eskimo;5086269 said:
The thing everyone is sleeping on with Harris is that he seems to have good hands and is great with the ball in his hands.

I like Harris but he's not an option outside. He's a guy who gets lost in coverages that are focusing on your starters. Perfect for the slot.
 

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Usually rookie receivers don't find their way for a couple of years, even up to 4 years. I would not rush him in to anything, but play him sparingly just to keep his confidence in tact.

As he proves that he can handle the speed and strength of this level, not to mention the bright lights, then you slowly add more to his plate. AT some point in the season, a receiver will go down, even if for a game or 2. So all receivers, including the other 2 we didn't mention, need to be ready to roll.

But the size and speed of Dez, Williams and Austin should be a dominating combination.
 

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Risen Star;5086172 said:
Even though Harris was emerging as a legitimate threat at #3, we needed a guy like Williams. He's the only capable backup who can play outside should Dez or Miles go down.

Well, we know Austin will go down at some point. Just a matter of time. The knock in Williams are his small hands, poor route running and lack of quickness, which is the exact opposite of Dez.
 

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I think the beauty of the new offense is that they won't really have to choose.However, I still think at least this year, they'll serve different roles.

I say Williams gets the nod as the number two with Dez as the primary and Miles in the slot. Then Harris, and the whoever emerges from the logjam of Benford,Cole and Coale will either come in to give them a break, or in four or five receiver sets.
 

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Risen Star;5086321 said:
I like Harris but he's not an option outside. He's a guy who gets lost in coverages that are focusing on your starters. Perfect for the slot.

He did alright last year outside when he played there. He is definitely the fourth receiving option and he made the most of his opportunities in the last quarter of the season.

The thing that I'm saying about Harris is that I don't think Williams is ready to unseat him yet this year. He may be able to contribute as a vertical threat but between his hands and lack of knowledge of route adjustments that need to be made in Garrett/Callahan offense I don't think he will see the field all that much this year.

Harris OTOH should be ready to pick right up where he left off.

I wouldn't think it impossible that Williams contributes something. I just don't know how ready he is to play in this offense this year.

Like I said I'd be happy if he hit the floor running and provided an elite deep threat to the offense this year as well as the ability to make all the route adjustments and accurately run all of the route tree. I just think he is way too green to gain Romo's trust. If they put him out there it will probably be in a dumbed down role but if the defense knows he is only going to run a go or a post he is going to be easy to defend.

Most 3rd rounders don't contribute a whole lot their rookie years and I expect the same out of Williams.

The later draft pick who I think might contribute this year is Webb, the CB and Randle who will probably have lots of reps if Murray gets hurt again.
 
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