Win Lose Or Draw

[Bobhaze]

At this point I would just like some quality football to watch.

I have no problem losing to a superior team with greater talent.

But the stupidity of the players and the coaches has really become more than I can deal with.

I guess the incident with Agent O kind of pushed me over the edge.

Win lose or draw we put an embarrassing product on the field.

Once upon a time we were well coached well disciplined and a well-oiled machine.

This product we put on the field now becomes more laughable every week .

DOES ANYONE ELSE FEEL THE EMBARRASSMENT OF ROOTING FOR SUCH A STUPID GROUP OF PLAYERS AND COACHES???

I have Lowered my expectations understanding that Jerry and his family are completely unqualified football people and we are stuck with them assembling and running our team.

But it is to the point now you actually feel like a total and complete fool for even spending the time watching this horrible product.

The Dallas Cowboys have become the GRIDIRON GONG SHOW!!!

Does anybody else feel this pain.

Blackie, I have an analogy to describe how I feel about the team I’ve supported since I was 6 years old.

It’s like being a father watching one of his adult children have a drug problem that needs intervention and rehab. You still love them but the loving thing may include some tough love and rock bottom experiences. Until they get clean they won’t be healthy.

That’s how I feel about the Cowboys. The Jones family is drunk and addicted to the drug known as greed and a lack of accountability.

In order to get the Cowboys back to their proper place as a serious team competing for championships, the Jones boys need to experience some pain, embarrassment, and accountability from a combination of the fans, the press and the pressure that comes with losing.

 

[ShiningStar]

this is a business

after 30 years, if you cant understand, you need to look inward, see if you understand the world around you.

its painful to see this out of people

 

[Blackrain]

I've feel that being a Cowboy fan has been embarrassing for years. Every time they find a new and embarrassing way to lose I know I will hear it from everyone I know. My standard reply has become "Well, at least their consistent"

It's strange to have rooted for a team my whole life and been so invested in them, felt so much frustration and pain with the losses. And now I don't feel anything, I expect them to lose, expect the draft picks and trades to be busts, expect poor coaching, expect stupid decisions and penalties on the field. And I feel NOTHING except the hope that it makes Jerry and his sidekick upset or embarrassed. I honestly hope Jerry never sniffs another Superbowl while he's alive. He's wasted the last 30 years of my fandom.

The problem is I'm running out of time for a Superbowl as well.

Excellent post
I seriously feel like at this point completely embarrassed to tell anyone I'm a Cowboys fan.

It's almost like telling somebody oh I love watching Jerry Springer or I like to watch The gong show.

It has gone way past winning and losing at this point.
We are such an embarrassing mistake-ridden unprofessionally run team at this point that I think people seriously question your mentality when you tell them you're a Cowboys fan.

Some unprecedented embarrassing thing seems to happen every other week to the point where I think people look at you like you are a flat-out idiot for following such an unprofessional team the laughing stock of the NFL.

And of course the sad thing is it's the polar opposite of what we Old timers grew up with. We had the most professional team in sports that everyone looked up to it was the gold standard.

 

[Blackrain]

Blackie, I have an analogy to describe how I feel about the team I’ve supported since I was 6 years old.

It’s like being a father watching one of his adult children have a drug problem that needs intervention and rehab. You still love them but the loving thing may include some tough love and rock bottom experiences. Until they get clean they won’t be healthy.

That’s how I feel about the Cowboys. The Jones family is drunk and addicted to the drug known as greed and a lack of accountability.

In order to get the Cowboys back to their proper place as a serious team competing for championships, the Jones boys need to experience some pain, embarrassment, and accountability from a combination of the fans, the press and the pressure that comes with losing.

That's a great post brother and an excellent analogy

Jerry seems to be immune to any accountability because of the amount of money he has it just Shields him from everything

Being worth $17 billion dollars can pretty much buy your way out of almost anything.

 

[Blackrain]

Yeah I have to wear my heart on my sleeve here a little bit this is really going beyond winning or losing.

It's kind of like Al Pacino said in any given Sunday you're either going to win or lose but can you do it like a man.
I could deal with this team winning or losing like men.

But they win and lose like a bunch of unprofessional idiots.
And in turn this makes me feel like a full-blown idiot for watching them whether they win or lose.

They make me feel foolish for investing my time ,passion and loyalty pretty much on a weekly basis at this point in my fanhood

There is just nothing professional about this team anymore.
It's like the NFL version of romper room.

 

[ICP]

Excellent post
I seriously feel like at this point completely embarrassed to tell anyone I'm a Cowboys fan.

It's almost like telling somebody oh I love watching Jerry Springer or I like to watch The gong show.

It has gone way past winning and losing at this point.
We are such an embarrassing mistake-ridden unprofessionally run team at this point that I think people seriously question your mentality when you tell them you're a Cowboys fan.

Some unprecedented embarrassing thing seems to happen every other week to the point where I think people look at you like you are a flat-out idiot for following such an unprofessional team the laughing stock of the NFL.

And of course the sad thing is it's the polar opposite of what we Old timers grew up with. We had the most professional team in sports that everyone looked up to it was the gold standard.

I have no problem telling anyone I'm a Dallas fan but I always make sure they know how I feel about the way they are run, it's not our fault we have a moron for an owner.

 

[Blackrain]

this is a business

after 30 years, if you cant understand, you need to look inward, see if you understand the world around you.

its painful to see this out of people

You're right there it is a business but it's supposed to be a business about winning Super bowls at least to a certain extent.

Jerry has taken it to another place and just made it a business about making generational wealth gaslighting the fan base and never really being serious about winning a Super bowl again.

After 30 years you would think that Jerry could throw us fans a bone and build a championship team he's fully capable of doing it.
It's far more difficult to be the most valuable franchise in all of sports.

But he is so greedy he won't even give the fans a few scraps that is bad enough.

But now we are subjected to watching a very unprofessional product that still makes him a boatload of money but is even more painful for the fans to watch

 

[ShiningStar]

You're right there it is a business but it's supposed to be a business about winning Super bowls at least to a certain extent.

Jerry has taken it to another place and just made it a business about making generational wealth gaslighting the fan base and never really being serious about winning a Super bowl again.

After 30 years you would think that Jerry could throw us fans a bone and build a championship team he's fully capable of doing it.
It's far more difficult to be the most valuable franchise in all of sports.

But he is so greedy he won't even give the fans a few scraps that is bad enough.

But now we are subjected to watching a very unprofessional product that still makes him a boatload of money but is even more painful for the fans to watch

no. Winning the SB is like winning the Bid for the Olympics now. Its not worth it.

Thats gone. deal with it.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

At this point I would just like some quality football to watch.

I have no problem losing to a superior team with greater talent.

But the stupidity of the players and the coaches has really become more than I can deal with.

I guess the incident with Agent O kind of pushed me over the edge.

Win lose or draw we put an embarrassing product on the field.

Once upon a time we were well coached well disciplined and a well-oiled machine.

This product we put on the field now becomes more laughable every week .

DOES ANYONE ELSE FEEL THE EMBARRASSMENT OF ROOTING FOR SUCH A STUPID GROUP OF PLAYERS AND COACHES???

I have Lowered my expectations understanding that Jerry and his family are completely unqualified football people and we are stuck with them assembling and running our team.

But it is to the point now you actually feel like a total and complete fool for even spending the time watching this horrible product.

The Dallas Cowboys have become the GRIDIRON GONG SHOW!!!

Does anybody else feel this pain.

You right, there really isn't any one who is above stupidity on this team. No real role models that you can point out to your kids as someone to admire. I guess drafting role models is not in Jerry's model. No coach with a plan, even preaching to his players things like don't go hollywood, don't throw other players under the bus when the press talks to you, etc. Then it seems like some fans of the team don't even expect those kind of things anymore.

 

[Blackrain]

no. Winning the SB is like winning the Bid for the Olympics now. Its not worth it.

Thats gone. deal with it.

You're right if you're an owner like Jerry it isn't worth it to him because he's already won Super bowls and he's about all out generational wealth at this point.

Not every owner is devoid of competitive spirit and in it for just making money there are some owners that have a desire to win a Super bowl along with making a profit.

There are some franchises that feel some allegiance and loyalty to their fan base

We all know it's gone and we've been dealing with it for years.

But in the past we did have some decent football to watch McCarthy had some 12 and 5 seasons and there was some good football there sure Jerry wouldn't go all in and get him over the hump but we still had some good football to watch.

Now this is a poor product and even in a win it's an embarrassingly poor product.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Absolutely. Did you watch sounds from the sidleines? Schottenheimer is running around high fiving everyone, looking like a damn cheerleader. At one point he goes down the line and not a single player makes eye contact. They just stick their hands out and let him slap it and do his stupid celebration.

When did we start treating every victory like its the Superbowl? What happened to jobs not done, good to get a win but we need more etc.??

I gave this coach more of a chance than he deserved. Can't stand the jackwagon anymore.

Reminds me of the Garrett years.

 

[Blackrain]

You right, there really isn't any one who is above stupidity on this team. No real role models that you can point out to your kids as someone to admire. I guess drafting role models is not in Jerry's model. No coach with a plan, even preaching to his players things like don't go hollywood, don't throw other players under the bus when the press talks to you, etc. Then it seems like some fans of the team don't even expect those kind of things anymore.

I really have to wonder who interviews these players.

Does anybody actually sit down and have an in-depth conversation with them before we draft them.

Do we just look at their measurables check their 40 time how much they bench press and draft them.

Because I really don't see how you could draft a less intellectual group of players unless you were absolutely targeting the short bus.

And I won't even get into the coaching because Jerry refuses to pay what good coaches cost so you get what you pay for.

But we certainly pay some top dollar for players that don't process information half as fast as my hunting dog.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I really have to wonder who interviews these players.

Does anybody actually sit down and have an in-depth conversation with them before we draft them.

Do we just look at their measurables check their 40 time how much they bench press and draft them.

Because I really don't see how you could draft a less intellectual group of players unless you were absolutely targeting the short bus.

And I won't even get into the coaching because Jerry refuses to pay what good coaches cost so you get what you pay for.

But we certainly pay some top dollar for players that don't process information half as fast as my hunting dog.

Well that probably is one of the problem with the board room approach of having a vote on who will get drafted. There is no thought put into what kind of team you want to build. With Jerry always gambling on injured players and players who had drug issues in the 2nd round, that obviously shows that trying to get lucky getting first round talent in the 2nd round is more important than getting a player who could be a locker room leader, role model, or someone who is a smart player.

Jerry main concern is getting random talent, gambling at it, rather than someone who has a vision and drafts based on certain characteristics which he wants the team as a whole to have. I mean, some coaches might favor getting people who have shown to have a lot of heart in some college games, or another coach might like smart players. With a board room, where several people have a vote, what characteristics and team identity can there be? I don't think that is a good way to build a team identity. To many cooks in the kitchen, which is why the Cowboys as of late leave a bad taste in our mouths.

 

[Blackrain]

Well that probably is one of the problem with the board room approach of having a vote on who will get drafted. There is no thought put into what kind of team you want to build. With Jerry always gambling on injured players and players who had drug issues in the 2nd round, that obviously shows that trying to get lucky getting first round talent in the 2nd round is more important than getting a player who could be a locker room leader, role model, or someone who is a smart player.

Jerry main concern is getting random talent, gambling at it, rather than someone who has a vision and drafts based on certain characteristics which he wants the team as a whole to have. I mean, some coaches might favor getting people who have shown to have a lot of heart in some college games, or another coach might like smart players. With a board room, where several people have a vote, what characteristics and team identity can there be? I don't think that is a good way to build a team identity. To many cooks in the kitchen, which is why the Cowboys as of late leave a bad taste in our mouths.

Yes it seemed for quite a while Jerry was using the second round to get his gambling fix.

And hitting on some injured players with first round talent was all he cared about.

It most definitely seems like no one analyzes these players character.
We have gotten lucky on quite a few players but it seems like just as many have had character flaws.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Yes it seemed for quite a while Jerry was using the second round to get his gambling fix.

And hitting on some injured players with first round talent was all he cared about.

It most definitely seems like no one analyzes these players character.
We have gotten lucky on quite a few players but it seems like just as many have had character flaws.

We gotten lucky, but never hit the Jackpot. I mean Sean Lee had some very nice characteristics for a 2nd round pick. Would've been a jackpot pick if he wouldn't have been injury prone. I don't think Jerry ever got that 1st round talent in the 2nd round gambling. I could be wrong, but I can't think of anyone. We got lucky on some later round picks. Still team identity and a philosophy matters. Ravens tend to get the Best Player Available, which at one time seemed to be what the Cowboys were trying to do, before getting distracted. But Then they still have a philosophy on how they build their teams. A team needs its identity. Here I would try to draft natural leaders because Jerry doesn't value coaches and we haven't had a leader there since Parcels. So that is just me trying to overcome another Jerry created problem.

When Jerry dies Stephen will keep that board room approach I think, since they think it works, because of some success in drafting which lead to 2014 and 2016. So now they think they are doing a good job drafting because of those years.

 

[john van brocklin]

At this point I would just like some quality football to watch.

I have no problem losing to a superior team with greater talent.

But the stupidity of the players and the coaches has really become more than I can deal with.

I guess the incident with Agent O kind of pushed me over the edge.

Win lose or draw we put an embarrassing product on the field.

Once upon a time we were well coached well disciplined and a well-oiled machine.

This product we put on the field now becomes more laughable every week .

DOES ANYONE ELSE FEEL THE EMBARRASSMENT OF ROOTING FOR SUCH A STUPID GROUP OF PLAYERS AND COACHES???

I have Lowered my expectations understanding that Jerry and his family are completely unqualified football people and we are stuck with them assembling and running our team.

But it is to the point now you actually feel like a total and complete fool for even spending the time watching this horrible product.

The Dallas Cowboys have become the GRIDIRON GONG SHOW!!!

Does anybody else feel this pain.

I feel pain watching the cowboys every time.
Knowing what they were , and now what they are, is just really sad.