Windows 11

[JoeKing]

In late 2021, Windows 11 will be released to the masses. As a Windows Insider, I've had a sneak peek at this new Windows platform. It's different. I remember when Windows 10 was released, we were told there would be no Windows 11. The plan was to just keep updating Windows 10 as needed into eternity. I've actually enjoyed Windows 10 and am of the opinion, don't fix it if it isn't broken. But here we are... W11 coming at the end of the year. I don't want to relearn a new operating system so I'm going to put off switching to W11 for as long as I can. I'm just curious how other people feel about ditching Windows 10 for Windows 11?

 

[The Fonz]

Some new eye candies by moving things around to attract the masses but the main change is about TPM and so called security.
soon you have to replace your PC with new one or add the TPM chip.

 

[Creeper]

I read about Windows 11 coming for the first time yesterday. Like you I was under the impression there would be no more Windows releases after 10. I understand Windows 11 will be a free update for Windows 10 users, but since it requires TPM I wonder what they will do with users who do not have a TPM on their older PC. How will they continue to force updates on Windows 10 in the future without installing Windows 11? Since it is Microsoft, I think they will drop support of Windows 10 and only support Windows 11 at some point. For many people who just use a laptop or PC for email and internet browsing an older PC is more than sufficient. I have a laptop I bought in 2012 that I still use for that sort of stuff.

I actually like Windows 7 and I am still using it on some of my PCs. I like Windows 10 but there are some features I really hate, one being the way it updates automatically and you cannot stop it without turning off some update services. There is no control over what is updated either. If you have machines running tasks constantly, the surprise power downs for updates can be very inconvenient. I downloaded a small app that allows you to disable all the update services with a single click. I can re-enable them when it is convenient to allow the updates to occur. It seems to me like the Windows 10 updates take much longer than updates used to and require more power downs. I had one set of updates take about an hour and that is simply unacceptable.

 

[Reality]

One of the biggest complaints about Windows 11 Home edition is that it will require a Microsoft account where you were able to set it up with only a local account with Windows 10 and previous versions.

It looks to me like all they did was re-theme the desktop and add a lot of new features that push, promote and benefit Microsoft's other products and services.

 

[Runwildboys]

I read about Windows 11 coming for the first time yesterday. Like you I was under the impression there would be no more Windows releases after 10. I understand Windows 11 will be a free update for Windows 10 users, but since it requires TPM I wonder what they will do with users who do not have a TPM on their older PC. How will they continue to force updates on Windows 10 in the future without installing Windows 11? Since it is Microsoft, I think they will drop support of Windows 10 and only support Windows 11 at some point. For many people who just use a laptop or PC for email and internet browsing an older PC is more than sufficient. I have a laptop I bought in 2012 that I still use for that sort of stuff.

I actually like Windows 7 and I am still using it on some of my PCs. I like Windows 10 but there are some features I really hate, one being the way it updates automatically and you cannot stop it without turning off some update services. There is no control over what is updated either. If you have machines running tasks constantly, the surprise power downs for updates can be very inconvenient. I downloaded a small app that allows you to disable all the update services with a single click. I can re-enable them when it is convenient to allow the updates to occur. It seems to me like the Windows 10 updates take much longer than updates used to and require more power downs. I had one set of updates take about an hour and that is simply unacceptable.

I don't recall ever installing an app for it, but my laptop (Windows 10) always lets me know when there are updates pending, and allows me to choose when to install them.

 

[InTheZone]

If Windows 11 is free and I don't need live services to use it then fine. It also better be like XP, 7, or 10. None of that Vista or Windows 8 crap. I still don't have Microsoft Office 365 since I'm using my old suites. Not about to continuously donate money for these companies to screw me over with each update.

 

[InTheZone]

I read about Windows 11 coming for the first time yesterday. Like you I was under the impression there would be no more Windows releases after 10. I understand Windows 11 will be a free update for Windows 10 users, but since it requires TPM I wonder what they will do with users who do not have a TPM on their older PC. How will they continue to force updates on Windows 10 in the future without installing Windows 11? Since it is Microsoft, I think they will drop support of Windows 10 and only support Windows 11 at some point. For many people who just use a laptop or PC for email and internet browsing an older PC is more than sufficient. I have a laptop I bought in 2012 that I still use for that sort of stuff.

I actually like Windows 7 and I am still using it on some of my PCs. I like Windows 10 but there are some features I really hate, one being the way it updates automatically and you cannot stop it without turning off some update services. There is no control over what is updated either. If you have machines running tasks constantly, the surprise power downs for updates can be very inconvenient. I downloaded a small app that allows you to disable all the update services with a single click. I can re-enable them when it is convenient to allow the updates to occur. It seems to me like the Windows 10 updates take much longer than updates used to and require more power downs. I had one set of updates take about an hour and that is simply unacceptable.

At my job we have some linux and mostly windows 7. Our system isn't online, but some people look at me funny like it's outdated - I tell them it's perfect and easy to use for what's needed so why update?

 

[Creeper]

I don't recall ever installing an app for it, but my laptop (Windows 10) always lets me know when there are updates pending, and allows me to choose when to install them.

You are correct, the latest Windows 10 updates added update features like pausing updates, and options to choose when your PC is rebooted to update. Also, I believe it still forces updates after a certain period of time. The early versions of Windows 10 had none of that. You just declared when your PC would be inactive and Windows would reboot during those hours. But there was not way to set it to 24 hours so the reboot would not occur.

But as far as I know, there is still no way to select which updates to install or not install. Windows 10 once installed an update to my AMD drivers and wound up unable to install my video drivers. It was a mess getting that resolved.

 

[Runwildboys]

You are correct, the latest Windows 10 updates added update features like pausing updates, and options to choose when your PC is rebooted to update. Also, I believe it still forces updates after a certain period of time. The early versions of Windows 10 had none of that. You just declared when your PC would be inactive and Windows would reboot during those hours. But there was not way to set it to 24 hours so the reboot would not occur.

But as far as I know, there is still no way to select which updates to install or not install. Windows 10 once installed an update to my AMD drivers and wound up unable to install my video drivers. It was a mess getting that resolved.

Now that you mention it, I suppose that could be a newer feature. I just assumed it had always been that way since switching from Windows 7, but I could be either remembering incorrectly or maybe got Windows 10 after the change.

 

[Creeper]

At my job we have some linux and mostly windows 7. Our system isn't online, but some people look at me funny like it's outdated - I tell them it's perfect and easy to use for what's needed so why update?

Windows 7 is out of support now so there are no updates, although there may still be critical security updates. I found 7 to be stable, efficient, and pretty simple to use. I upgraded some of my PCs to 10 and left a few on Windows 7. But I have a warning for Windows 7 users. If for any reason you need to rebuilt your Windows installation, like a bad disk drive or corruption, MS does not make it easy. My last rebuild I had to jump through hoops to get Windows update to work on Windows 7 after a new installation - and they would not accept my license key! I have no idea if this was intentional or just from neglect but it was a giant pain in the butt.

 

[DoctorChicken]

I’m not a big fan of Windows 10. I’m all for an upgrade, unless there’s a big dealbreaker.

 

[Runwildboys]

I’m not a big fan of Windows 10. I’m all for an upgrade, unless there’s a big dealbreaker.

Like porn filters?

 

[terra]

Anyone that bought the PR that Windows 10 would not be replaced ignored Microsofts history.

They are addicted to all the money they make every time they force people to upgrade.

 

[The Fonz]

Microsoft was planing to make windows as an online service ..... I guess they are not ready yet so they came up with windows 11
I would suggest for people to try Linux and other free OS in order to have the total freedom.. you would be so amazed of the choices out there

 

[The Fonz]

Anyone that bought the PR that Windows 10 would not be replaced ignored Microsofts history.

They are addicted to all the money they make every time they force people to upgrade.

its called Planned obsolescence

 

[Cowpolk]

Like porn filters?

No

 

[InTheZone]

Windows 7 is out of support now so there are no updates, although there may still be critical security updates. I found 7 to be stable, efficient, and pretty simple to use. I upgraded some of my PCs to 10 and left a few on Windows 7. But I have a warning for Windows 7 users. If for any reason you need to rebuilt your Windows installation, like a bad disk drive or corruption, MS does not make it easy. My last rebuild I had to jump through hoops to get Windows update to work on Windows 7 after a new installation - and they would not accept my license key! I have no idea if this was intentional or just from neglect but it was a giant pain in the butt.

I use a clonezilla cloning software with images already loaded on a spare master hard drive. I've also installed copies onto the spare hard drives just to save me the time of needing to load the software later. I can easily make new copies if needed as well.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

Some new eye candies by moving things around to attract the masses but the main change is about TPM and so called security.
soon you have to replace your PC with new one or add the TPM chip.

What is a TPM chip?
Found a list of supported CPUs and didn't see my i7-4790K on the list which was weird.
Heard W11 will need around 60 GB storage space.

 

[Reality]

What is a TPM chip?
Found a list of supported CPUs and didn't see my i7-4790K on the list which was weird.
Heard W11 will need around 60 GB storage space.

My laptop is not supported but the tower I built a few months ago is.

Of course it may because I have something disabled in BIOS (not sure) but I am happy as I did not want to upgrade any time soon to Windows 11 anyway and now I do not have to worry about Microsoft forcing an upgrade on me.

You can download the PC Health Check app from Microsoft and it has a system check to see if your computer supports Windows 11.

Just scroll down on the Microsoft Windows 11 information page to the "Check for compatibility" section ..
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

My laptop is not supported but the tower I built a few months ago is.

Of course it may because I have something disabled in BIOS (not sure) but I am happy as I did not want to upgrade any time soon to Windows 11 anyway and now I do not have to worry about Microsoft forcing an upgrade on me.

You can download the PC Health Check app from Microsoft and it has a system check to see if your computer supports Windows 11.

Just scroll down on the Microsoft Windows 11 information page to the "Check for compatibility" section ..
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11

Read that TPM is only on Motherboards from 2016 and after, mine is 2015. Also couldn't find any secure boot options in Bios. Not really happy with Microsoft especially after claims of W10 will be the last OS and now springing 11 on us.