Winning Championships Is Not About Throwing a Switch

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No matter how nice it would be to simply throw a switch and turn on a Champion, it doesn't happen for a reason. We've already seen threads that have ideas guaranteed to work to make a difference. Stuff like a particular city for Training Camp, getting rid of a particular player or coach. We're all guilty of that kind of thinking. Every living, breathing, pooping one of us. For example as to myself, getting rid of Dave Campo was my biggest agenda.

The fact of the matter is though that Dave Campo, nor anyone else on the staff or the team are the get rid of piece that makes this team suddenly a winner. Dave Campo does have 3 Super Bowl rings and a college Championship ring to boot. Granted they all came courtesy of Jimmy Johnson, but it proves his presence is not the albatross.

Getting rid of Terence Newman or Anthony Spencer or Phil Costa or insert name here ______________ is not the magical solution to victory. Sometimes you have to win in spite of who is on your roster. Terence Newman probably will be gone this off season, but it is about dollars, not about his ability as a player. Football is still a business after all and cap room matters. If he were only a million against the cap in 2012, he would be back and probably penciled in as the starter until someone took it away.

That is just a fact of football that is true of all teams. All teams talk of continuity to a degree. All teams make roster moves based upon money over ability. All teams have to evaluate the direction they want to move forward in.

We as fans have gotten pretty good at figuring out most roster moves teams will make. We see Newman in his Quincy Carter gray jogging suit already in our heads. We saw it with Colombo last year. We saw it with Campo, but let's be honest for a minute. We've seen it with Campo for how many years now before it actually happened?

Every player and coach on the roster will eventually leave. Claiming to be right after years of predicting it is rather foolish. "I told you Terence Newman was going to be cut. You should have listened to me." Yeah, but how many years have you been saying it to finally be right? I've been saying Campo has to go since the day he arrived. He's gone. How right was I? Not very much in light of how long he stayed.

In the middle of the 2011 season the New York Giants lost 4 games in a row and 5 out of 6. In the 2010 season the Green Bay Packers lost 3 out of 4 towards the end of the season. Yet both of these teams hoisted trophies in those seasons and the Packers, this year's dominant team, fizzled when it mattered.

Why? Why do we see a 2010 Patriots team go 14-2, then 1 and done? How does a 2009 Chargers team got 13-3 and then 1 and done? How does a 2007 Cowboys team do the same? It happens almost every year, we shouldn't be surprised by it any more. It happens because football is a game of inches and seconds.

Take the last play of the Super Bowl 2 days ago. If Rob Gronkowski were 1 foot closer or the ball popped up a foot higher we might have had a Hail Mary miracle finish to the Super Bowl. Ask the 1999 Titans if you can come up 1 yard short. Ask the 1999 Bills team that lost to them in the playoffs if that lateral was legal or illegal by how many inches.

So many things can derail a team that has Championship aspirations. How does an Aaron Rodgers and his Packers Offense dominate the season and then only manage 20 points in the most important game of the season? It happens because there are no guarantees in football. There are no magical solutions. There are no right or wrong ways that never fail. You cannot just flip a switch and win.

Mike Brown is one of the worst General Managers in the NFL by most accounts. Yet his Bengals have made it to 2 Super Bowls, only to lose to Joe Montana. Papa Bear George Halas is perhaps the greatest football man who ever lived, yet it is his daughter, Viriginia Halas McCaskey who has seen 2 teams reach the Super Bowl, and 1 team win it. Joe Montana, the greatest QB who ever lived by many people's standards of 4 Super Bowls didn't have the same magic with the Chiefs. Jimmy Johnson didn't have it with the Dolphins.

What I'm saying is it is not about individuals. Adding Victor Cruz didn't hand Eli Manning another ring. If you paid attention to Chris Collinsworth on Sunday he did an absolutely perfect job of explaining how the Patriots took Cruz out of the game plan for the most part and said the Giants would have to beat them another way. If Wes Welker had made that catch and given Tom a 1st down perhaps the plan would have worked just as the Hail Mary could have. If Bellichick had instructed his Defense to let them score sooner, perhaps Tom Brady would have had time to move them down the field for a FG. Perhaps if they had tired that Bradshaw could have fell at the 1 instead of his momentum carrying him into the end zone.

I know many people do not like what Garrett is saying about every play matters, games come down to the final minutes and a handful of plays, and injuries nor other pitfalls can be used as excuses not to do your job. But I am telling you that in the NFL where a powerhouse football team is only a reputation because the other team has professional athletes too, he is exactly right.

More than anything else we could do to improve this team this year in Free Agency and the Draft, the thing that will improve them the most is the attention to detail they are pushing, preaching, and selling at Valley Ranch. As much as some of you seem to hate to hear it, that is what makes a long term difference in success or failure because it leads to focus, hunger, and eventually to the results we demand, craze, and seem to elude us.

It isn't about Jerry making a deal with God for one more Super Bowl in 1995 and so now we are doomed. John Mara didn't make a deal with the Devil. Robert Kraft didn't make a similar deal with God in 2004 and now they can't win the big game. It isn't about the 50 year patch in year 51 that drove me so crazy. It isn't about Tony Romo.

Winning is entirely about 53 guys and their coaches coming together at the right moment, playing unselfish football, smart football, and in many cases lucky football, and believing in themselves or wanting to prove the world wrong.

There is not a doubt in my mind that the 2007 and 2011 Patriots were better football teams than the Giants that beat them those years. But little things happened here and there to give the Giants trophies that the Patriots felt was their birthright. It's actually an old story Cowboys fans should know by heart. All 3 of our Super Bowl losses there are plays within the game that could change the outcome, just as in our last Super Bowl if Neil O'Donnell hadn't been looking for Larry Brown we might have lost that one.

Inches and seconds. Attention to details. These things lead to opportunity and then add a little luck to the mix and you can have a Championship run. It isn't about all the talent in the world. We had that in 1993 and still lost 4 games that season. But not when it counted most and it was entirely because of that team's attention to details and focus.

Make no mistake about it, parts of the team need to be fixed. For my money Campo did have to go. But Campo very easily could have gone to Green Bay and in 2012 won it all with them. No one coach or player sinks an entire team. No one player makes an entire team.

The 2012 Dallas Cowboys are being built the right way. It started in 2010 when Jason Garret came on board and started pushing details. 2011 was not a disaster, it was a lesson. 2012 we get to see what they have learned.

Now, I know someone is probably going to say this was too long and they didn't read it. It happens all the time. Just so you know, those are the people whose football opinions are driven by short attention spans only. Not worth your time to listen to. Just my opinion.
 
Winning championships starts at the top. I know you don't want to hear that but it is true.
 
most of what you say is correct however, you are looking at 'symptoms' and not able to 'identify the disease'

for some things there IS a 'right way'

if most of the teams that have been successful do 'it' a certain way then that is the 'right way' (pats, steelers, GB, giants, and on and on)

if most of the teams that do things a certain are not succesful, then that is the 'wrong way' (raiders, cowboys, Commanders)

if we keep doing things the wrong way, can we succeed? sure it is possible but we are much more likely to succeed if we do things the way others (and history) have done it and been successful rather than doing it the way that has been shown to fail consistently

you keep saying no one player or coach can change things
i agree, this is because our problems dont hinge on one player or coach, the problem is systemic

and no amount of distraction or defending or excuse making will change it

as fans we can choose to ignore the facts and remain blinded to the obvious but that will not change the facts

JMO
 
THUMPER;4409887 said:
Winning championships starts at the top. I know you don't want to hear that but it is true.

wow. didn't take long to point to 1 person which totally misses the post itself it would seem.
 
tupperware;4409898 said:
The Giants threw on a switch.

Naw Eli sold his soul to the devil and now the devil has 2 Manning's in hand. Although Rumor has it their dad is looking for a deal in Purgatory. :laugh2:
 
Nice post. I do believe there are a lot of factors involved. Some factors deal with the team your playing at the time. Teams self-destructed against the Giants and they capitalized on every mistake. Luck is really involved. Three of the Giants Superbowl's came one play away from being a loss. The missed FG by Buffalo. The missed INT by Samuel in 2007 and the drop by Welker this year. Cowboys have to learn how to capitalize on a team's mistakes. Then they to can become a quality football team.
 
I agree attention to detail is important. These guys are professionals. You must do it all. Get it right. Coaches, too. Schemes are important. So is play calling, day to day coaching, computer stats/tendencies/yada, film study, etc.

The main thing though is talent, health, luck and turnovers. We need talent at certain positions and depth overall. We have holes and we're thin from giving away draft picks for losers, picking too poorly over the years, and not having the money nor the brains to get the right FAs.

But you're right. If with the best talent you have to do all the right things.

This organization better start figuring things out.
 
THUMPER;4409887 said:
Winning championships starts at the top. I know you don't want to hear that but it is true.

I agree 100%, anything we do talent wise won't have the same effect because the way that this organization is structured is flawed. In todays NFL, the owner/gm model just doesn't work, whether it be for conflict of interest or just too many responsibilities for 1 person.
 
for the record...I did read the entire OP. And of course it is not about individuals....but individuals do make up a team. And we have wed ourselves to too many of the wrong individuals. There are too many players and coaches that are/were on there 2nd, 3rd or 4th deals. It would not be a problem if these individuals helped formed a coehesive unit that were contenders year in and year out. But this team simply has not done enough to justify all of the familiar faces. All you have to do is look at how eager teams are to sign people we FINALLY cut. Crickets! Even the guys we have that our productive are not made of the right stuff. I think read a tweet from Ware where he talked about being sorry his season was over...but happy that it affords him more time to spend with his family. Or a tweet from Hatcher congratulating the Giants and saying "Eli is an elite QB". Who the heck asked him. Is he a scout? Is he a member of the media? This is a QB in your division that signed the wall in the lockeroom on the opening of Cowboys stadium. We have the nicest team in the NFL. Because we have too may guys just HAPPY to wear the star. They are on national TV all the time...they play in the worlds best stadium...they play on Thanksgiving...they play for the most visible/talked about franchise...they get ALL of this without having to win a darn thing. So the obsession with winning does not exist. 15+ years since we have won....yet Dallas continues to enjoy the spoils of winning WITHOUT actually winnning. These modern day Cowboys are living off the blood, sweat, and tears of REAL winners...and that INCLUDES Jerry Jones. Which is WHY Jones has not decided to change how he does things...because other than winning....his empire continues to grow. It is disgusting and I for one am TIRED of making excuses for this circus outfit.
 
Insert Deion Sanders in his prime and I think that proves your switch theory wrong. Of course that is only one example
 
Romo 2 Austin;4409957 said:
Insert Deion Sanders in his prime and I think that proves your switch theory wrong. Of course that is only one example

yea, i forgot all those atlanta superbowls.
 
iceberg;4409968 said:
yea, i forgot all those atlanta superbowls.


lol. Yep.


I was just thinking I was trying to remember what team he won a Superbowl with that just suddenly turned it on out of nowhere, and came out of nowhere, to win the Superbowl.

For some reason I'm drawing a blank on a team...
 
BraveHeartFan;4409971 said:
lol. Yep.

I was just thinking I was trying to remember what team he won a Superbowl with that just suddenly turned it on out of nowhere, and came out of nowhere, to win the Superbowl.

For some reason I'm drawing a blank on a team...

well i think haley to us was a huge missing piece, but only because we needed one more good player to take us over the top.

many will use that to say SEE!!! but that only proves hos' point to the letter. haley can't just jump to any team at all and win a superbowl. the team has to be put together to take advantage of the skillsets you have and when it falls into place, 1 key player may be the missing piece, but he's only a piece of a huge puzzle already put together.

which is really what i believe this thread is about.
 
THUMPER;4409887 said:
Winning championships starts at the top. I know you don't want to hear that but it is true.

If by that you mean Jason Garrett, then I agree. Even a poor GM can hire a great Head Coach.
 
Romo 2 Austin;4409957 said:
Insert Deion Sanders in his prime and I think that proves your switch theory wrong. Of course that is only one example

:facepalm:

iceberg;4409968 said:
yea, i forgot all those atlanta superbowls.

BraveHeartFan;4409971 said:
lol. Yep.


I was just thinking I was trying to remember what team he won a Superbowl with that just suddenly turned it on out of nowhere, and came out of nowhere, to win the Superbowl.

For some reason I'm drawing a blank on a team...

:laugh1: :laugh2:
 
Hostile;4409864 said:
No matter how nice it would be to simply throw a switch and turn on a Champion, it doesn't happen for a reason. We've already seen threads that have ideas guaranteed to work to make a difference. Stuff like a particular city for Training Camp, getting rid of a particular player or coach. We're all guilty of that kind of thinking. Every living, breathing, pooping one of us. For example as to myself, getting rid of Dave Campo was my biggest agenda.

The fact of the matter is though that Dave Campo, nor anyone else on the staff or the team are the get rid of piece that makes this team suddenly a winner. Dave Campo does have 3 Super Bowl rings and a college Championship ring to boot. Granted they all came courtesy of Jimmy Johnson, but it proves his presence is not the albatross.

Getting rid of Terence Newman or Anthony Spencer or Phil Costa or insert name here ______________ is not the magical solution to victory. Sometimes you have to win in spite of who is on your roster. Terence Newman probably will be gone this off season, but it is about dollars, not about his ability as a player. Football is still a business after all and cap room matters. If he were only a million against the cap in 2012, he would be back and probably penciled in as the starter until someone took it away.

That is just a fact of football that is true of all teams. All teams talk of continuity to a degree. All teams make roster moves based upon money over ability. All teams have to evaluate the direction they want to move forward in.

We as fans have gotten pretty good at figuring out most roster moves teams will make. We see Newman in his Quincy Carter gray jogging suit already in our heads. We saw it with Colombo last year. We saw it with Campo, but let's be honest for a minute. We've seen it with Campo for how many years now before it actually happened?

Every player and coach on the roster will eventually leave. Claiming to be right after years of predicting it is rather foolish. "I told you Terence Newman was going to be cut. You should have listened to me." Yeah, but how many years have you been saying it to finally be right? I've been saying Campo has to go since the day he arrived. He's gone. How right was I? Not very much in light of how long he stayed.

In the middle of the 2011 season the New York Giants lost 4 games in a row and 5 out of 6. In the 2010 season the Green Bay Packers lost 3 out of 4 towards the end of the season. Yet both of these teams hoisted trophies in those seasons and the Packers, this year's dominant team, fizzled when it mattered.

Why? Why do we see a 2010 Patriots team go 14-2, then 1 and done? How does a 2009 Chargers team got 13-3 and then 1 and done? How does a 2007 Cowboys team do the same? It happens almost every year, we shouldn't be surprised by it any more. It happens because football is a game of inches and seconds.

Take the last play of the Super Bowl 2 days ago. If Rob Gronkowski were 1 foot closer or the ball popped up a foot higher we might have had a Hail Mary miracle finish to the Super Bowl. Ask the 1999 Titans if you can come up 1 yard short. Ask the 1999 Bills team that lost to them in the playoffs if that lateral was legal or illegal by how many inches.

So many things can derail a team that has Championship aspirations. How does an Aaron Rodgers and his Packers Offense dominate the season and then only manage 20 points in the most important game of the season? It happens because there are no guarantees in football. There are no magical solutions. There are no right or wrong ways that never fail. You cannot just flip a switch and win.

Mike Brown is one of the worst General Managers in the NFL by most accounts. Yet his Bengals have made it to 2 Super Bowls, only to lose to Joe Montana. Papa Bear George Halas is perhaps the greatest football man who ever lived, yet it is his daughter, Viriginia Halas McCaskey who has seen 2 teams reach the Super Bowl, and 1 team win it. Joe Montana, the greatest QB who ever lived by many people's standards of 4 Super Bowls didn't have the same magic with the Chiefs. Jimmy Johnson didn't have it with the Dolphins.

What I'm saying is it is not about individuals. Adding Victor Cruz didn't hand Eli Manning another ring. If you paid attention to Chris Collinsworth on Sunday he did an absolutely perfect job of explaining how the Patriots took Cruz out of the game plan for the most part and said the Giants would have to beat them another way. If Wes Welker had made that catch and given Tom a 1st down perhaps the plan would have worked just as the Hail Mary could have. If Bellichick had instructed his Defense to let them score sooner, perhaps Tom Brady would have had time to move them down the field for a FG. Perhaps if they had tired that Bradshaw could have fell at the 1 instead of his momentum carrying him into the end zone.

I know many people do not like what Garrett is saying about every play matters, games come down to the final minutes and a handful of plays, and injuries nor other pitfalls can be used as excuses not to do your job. But I am telling you that in the NFL where a powerhouse football team is only a reputation because the other team has professional athletes too, he is exactly right.

More than anything else we could do to improve this team this year in Free Agency and the Draft, the thing that will improve them the most is the attention to detail they are pushing, preaching, and selling at Valley Ranch. As much as some of you seem to hate to hear it, that is what makes a long term difference in success or failure because it leads to focus, hunger, and eventually to the results we demand, craze, and seem to elude us.

It isn't about Jerry making a deal with God for one more Super Bowl in 1995 and so now we are doomed. John Mara didn't make a deal with the Devil. Robert Kraft didn't make a similar deal with God in 2004 and now they can't win the big game. It isn't about the 50 year patch in year 51 that drove me so crazy. It isn't about Tony Romo.

Winning is entirely about 53 guys and their coaches coming together at the right moment, playing unselfish football, smart football, and in many cases lucky football, and believing in themselves or wanting to prove the world wrong.

There is not a doubt in my mind that the 2007 and 2011 Patriots were better football teams than the Giants that beat them those years. But little things happened here and there to give the Giants trophies that the Patriots felt was their birthright. It's actually an old story Cowboys fans should know by heart. All 3 of our Super Bowl losses there are plays within the game that could change the outcome, just as in our last Super Bowl if Neil O'Donnell hadn't been looking for Larry Brown we might have lost that one.

Inches and seconds. Attention to details. These things lead to opportunity and then add a little luck to the mix and you can have a Championship run. It isn't about all the talent in the world. We had that in 1993 and still lost 4 games that season. But not when it counted most and it was entirely because of that team's attention to details and focus.

Make no mistake about it, parts of the team need to be fixed. For my money Campo did have to go. But Campo very easily could have gone to Green Bay and in 2012 won it all with them. No one coach or player sinks an entire team. No one player makes an entire team.

The 2012 Dallas Cowboys are being built the right way. It started in 2010 when Jason Garret came on board and started pushing details. 2011 was not a disaster, it was a lesson. 2012 we get to see what they have learned.

Now, I know someone is probably going to say this was too long and they didn't read it. It happens all the time. Just so you know, those are the people whose football opinions are driven by short attention spans only. Not worth your time to listen to. Just my opinion.

I read the entire post as well and continue to come to the same conclusion: Winning is a process. It start with a concept and is carried out by individuals with a likemindedness.

Set the groundwork; never waiver, even under pressure; recruit the right personnel; and, work to improve everyday through repetitive tasks. That is how the Cowboys will get back to the playoffs.

Garrett has the process, now he needs to recruit the right personnel.
 
Hostile;4410047 said:
If by that you mean Jason Garrett, then I agree. Even a poor GM can hire a great Head Coach.

You know I am referring to Jerry Jones.

I think Garrett can be a good HC but the attitude of this team starts with Jerry and that is where the problem lies.

He said in an interview that if he had to be in a dark alley with someone that person would be himself. Absolutely the WRONG choice IMO because he is all talk and no substance. If he had any real guts then he would have fired the GM years ago.

He even said, in that same interview, that if he had been the GM for any other team they would have fired him a long time back. That tells me that there is a conflict of interest between the owner and GM but it will never be resolved because they are the same person.

This team doesn't have the heart to win big games and it has shown since 1996. It hasn't mattered who the coaches were, who the players were, or who the janitor was, Jerry is the only constant.

Teams that win championships need a lot of things to go their way and it is more than just talent, but the biggest thing they have is heart and this team doesn't have it and hasn't for a lot of years.
 
BraveHeartFan;4409971 said:
lol. Yep.


I was just thinking I was trying to remember what team he won a Superbowl with that just suddenly turned it on out of nowhere, and came out of nowhere, to win the Superbowl.

For some reason I'm drawing a blank on a team...

Yeah, it seems to me that he went to the two best teams in the league and won SBs with them then claimed it was all his doing. :rolleyes:
 
bbailey423;4409949 said:
for the record...I did read the entire OP. And of course it is not about individuals....but individuals do make up a team. And we have wed ourselves to too many of the wrong individuals. There are too many players and coaches that are/were on there 2nd, 3rd or 4th deals. It would not be a problem if these individuals helped formed a coehesive unit that were contenders year in and year out. But this team simply has not done enough to justify all of the familiar faces. All you have to do is look at how eager teams are to sign people we FINALLY cut. Crickets! Even the guys we have that our productive are not made of the right stuff. I think read a tweet from Ware where he talked about being sorry his season was over...but happy that it affords him more time to spend with his family. Or a tweet from Hatcher congratulating the Giants and saying "Eli is an elite QB". Who the heck asked him. Is he a scout? Is he a member of the media? This is a QB in your division that signed the wall in the lockeroom on the opening of Cowboys stadium. We have the nicest team in the NFL. Because we have too may guys just HAPPY to wear the star. They are on national TV all the time...they play in the worlds best stadium...they play on Thanksgiving...they play for the most visible/talked about franchise...they get ALL of this without having to win a darn thing. So the obsession with winning does not exist. 15+ years since we have won....yet Dallas continues to enjoy the spoils of winning WITHOUT actually winnning. These modern day Cowboys are living off the blood, sweat, and tears of REAL winners...and that INCLUDES Jerry Jones. Which is WHY Jones has not decided to change how he does things...because other than winning....his empire continues to grow. It is disgusting and I for one am TIRED of making excuses for this circus outfit.

Amen brother.:bow:
 

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