With 3 Pro Bowl players - still not good

[burmafrd]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php

14th in run Blocking.

We were better running right then left. No Suprise since Bigg was over there but looking closer at the figures it also seems that Colombo was better run blocking then was thought as well.

But overall not much better then average.

 

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Any chance we move one of our OT picks from last year to Guard and try to see if they can beat out Kosier? I believe Kosier was our weak link that and the fact that they weren't playing as a unit at times.

 

[Vintage]

I am sure being 13-3 helped get us some Pro Bowlers.

Our secondary has 3 Pro Bowlers too and we need help there.

 

[burmafrd]

With the Hotel coming back I think we will do what we were going to do last camp and have McQ challenge Kosier.

 

[burmafrd]

We all know that Roy made it due to rep, name recognition and a lack of real competition. Our problem is that our weak points, Roy and #3 CB, were pretty bad.

 

[TheCount]

Our run blocking was very sketchy all season, that Commanders game was embarrassing. A lot of Barber's good runs were more in spite of the blocking than because of it, and pretty much all of Julius' big runs got called back on line penalties.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I'd definately move either McQuistern or Marten to guard. Both played the position in college and have decent size for a guard. I'd be more inclined to move Marten because of his struggles during last year's camp. But if he looks much improved during the offseason workouts, I'd go with the original plan of moving McQuistern to guard.

 

[Mansta54]

HH as our oline coach will make a huge difference in our oline play this year. He brings aggressiveness and attitude. To me, he's the best in the league...

 

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Hopefully we can steal an Offensive Guard in the draft. Can never have too many young O-lineman especially if they have potential. Free and Marten were good picks in last years draft.

 

[superpunk]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb.php

Half the time they were blocking for the third most effective back in the NFL.

Half the time they were blocking for the 44th most effective back in the NFL - a guy whose success rate of 37% tied for the WORST of the 55 backs in the NFL with 75 rushes or more.

Not blocking for the unbearable load that was Julius Jones should really help their ranking.

 

[lockster]

We all know that Roy made it due to rep, name recognition and a lack of real competition. Our problem is that our weak points, Roy and #3 CB, were pretty bad.

For sure, however, I do wish Kosier was just a little bigger. I would have loved to have a line of Adams Nate Donaldson Allen Williams go on forever!!! It would be total domination forever and always. That is with eternal youth.

 

[burmafrd]

super, I guess all those times our backs were dodging guys in THEIR own backfield was all JJ's fault as well? And you notice that later in the year when MB was getting most of the carries things were not going well.

 

[mitchell2254]

It was Julius' fault

 

[burmafrd]

the stuff numbers are particularly telling; that is virtually totally on the O line since it means that not only did they not make a hole or keep it clean, but they got no movement at all.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb.php

Half the time they were blocking for the third most effective back in the NFL.

Half the time they were blocking for the 44th most effective back in the NFL - a guy whose success rate of 37% tied for the WORST of the 55 backs in the NFL with 75 rushes or more.

Not blocking for the unbearable load that was Julius Jones should really help their ranking.

The run blocking aspect of each O-Linemen is usually their strength. Does anybody really question whether or not Flo is a good run blocking Left Tackle? How about Gurode at center or Davis at right guard?

I guess there's some questions about Kosier, who isn't an overpowering type, but if you chart him he's still a good run blocker. Outside of Colombo, who was better by leaps and bounds last year, the O-Line is stronger at run blocking than they are at pass blocking and they only gave up 23 sacks last season.

Unfortunately we had Julius doing his best to kill drives. It's not like the O-Line just wanted to block for Barber and didn't want to block for Julius.





YAKUZA

 

[superpunk]

super, I guess all those times our backs were dodging guys in THEIR own backfield was all JJ's fault as well? And you notice that later in the year when MB was getting most of the carries things were not going well.

You used football outsiders rankings as evidence that the offensive line play was not that good. Their performance is tied to the backs. For one back, they were good enough to manage a ranking of #3 in the entire league. For the other, they could do no better than 44th. Facts are facts - and the fact is that not having to block for a no-vision pile magnet is gonna do wonders for their ranking. There's room for improvement on their end too. But if you need a reason why our offensive line could manage no better than 14th in run blocking success?

There you go.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

super, I guess all those times our backs were dodging guys in THEIR own backfield was all JJ's fault as well? And you notice that later in the year when MB was getting most of the carries things were not going well.

Huh?

We barely ran the ball against the Eagles in week 15. Barber had a field day running against the Panthers in week 16. I guess you take a lot of stock in the week 17 game against Washington.

Of course that negates Barber with 100+ yards in the first half of the playoff game.

Either way for 3 years Barber has had a better ypc than Julius. That's more than enough sample size to tell that Barber is a far better back than Julius and it wasn't due to the O-Line slacking off just on Julius' runs.




YAKUZA

 

[texbumthelife]

Didnt Gurode miss a little chunk of time too? Losing your starting center, even if he cant snap in the shotgun, has a huge effect on the cohesiveness of the OL.

Staying healthy and getting a #2 RB with vision and ability as well as the addittion of Hudson Houck will have us top 10 this year IMO.

 

[Chuck 54]

From what I read all year, Kozier was one of the most dependable and highly graded linemen on our OL all season.

Are we just dumping on him because we're looking for someone who isn't a pro bowler? I think he's a very good OG who did a fine job for us.

I actually think colombo needs to improve, especially in pass protection so he doesn't have to get help so often.

 

[burmafrd]

You gomers refuse to acknowledge what most people have admitted: our line was good at pass blocking but sucked at run blocking. How many times did MB fail, especially later in the season and I AM NOT TALKING about the last couple of games? Basically from week 8 on. Virtually all the columnists and even Mick was talking about it. BUT you guys just want to blame JJ. I guess thats easier, eh?