With a Cowboy Win and a Bear Loss

[plasticman]

The Dallas Cowboys will become the NFL franchise with the highest historical regular season winning percentage. They are currently three hundreths of a percent behind the Bears.

Ironically, the Cowboys lost the lead after the loss to the Packers in 2010, the same game that ended Wade Phillips Head Coaching tenure with the Cowboys.

 

[Seven]

I sure wish I knew happened there with Wade and the team. Really knew, not just speculation.

 

[plasticman]

I sure wish I knew happened there with Wade and the team. Really knew, not just speculation.

I think it was pretty simple. There were two seperate issues:

1. Jason Garrett, the offensive coordinator, answered directly to Jerry Jones. The only time he interracted with Phillips was practice scheduling and during times when a decision has to be made in a game.

Wade, who was also the defensive coordinator answered directly to Jerry Jones.

So, if the offensive coordinator and.the defensive coordinator both answered directly to the same person, what do you call that person. Yes, Jerry Jones was making coaching decisions.

2. The 3-4 defense built by Bill Parcells was a traditional style 3-4, huge NT Jason Ferguson, DE's built like DT's in Canty and Spears, althetic all purpose LB's with speed and pass defending capability. The front 3 rushed the QB in a controlled manner while the real pressure came from the mystery 4th pass rusher, capable of being any of the other 8 defenders on the field. The D-line would clog the line and the LB's made the plays.

The personnel that Parcells built his defense with were not compatible to Wade's 3-4 which called for a more traditional type of DE. Also, Wade used Ware as a designated pass rusher so there wasn't much mystery as to who was rushing the QB. In other words, Wade's 3-4 was more like a 4-3 out of position.

So they lost Canty and Spears, Ratliff played well but was too small overall for the run defense.

Additionally, Parcells built a running O-line, Davis and Columbo were never meant to drop back and pass protect 70% of the time and that caused problems.

In a nutshell they had the wrong players for the wrong personnel philosophy.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

Well one things for sure: we are passing them this year, whether it happens this week or not.

 

[skinsscalper]

I think it was pretty simple. There were two seperate issues:

1. Jason Garrett, the offensive coordinator, answered directly to Jerry Jones. The only time he interracted with Phillips was practice scheduling and during times when a decision has to be made in a game.

Wade, who was also the defensive coordinator answered directly to Jerry Jones.

So, if the offensive coordinator and.the defensive coordinator both answered directly to the same person, what do you call that person. Yes, Jerry Jones was making coaching decisions.

2. The 3-4 defense built by Bill Parcells was a traditional style 3-4, huge NT Jason Ferguson, DE's built like DT's in Canty and Spears, althetic all purpose LB's with speed and pass defending capability. The front 3 rushed the QB in a controlled manner while the real pressure came from the mystery 4th pass rusher, capable of being any of the other 8 defenders on the field. The D-line would clog the line and the LB's made the plays.

The personnel that Parcells built his defense with were not compatible to Wade's 3-4 which called for a more traditional type of DE. Also, Wade used Ware as a designated pass rusher so there wasn't much mystery as to who was rushing the QB. In other words, Wade's 3-4 was more like a 4-3 out of position.

So they lost Canty and Spears, Ratliff played well but was too small overall for the run defense.

Additionally, Parcells built a running O-line, Davis and Columbo were never meant to drop back and pass protect 70% of the time and that caused problems.

In a nutshell they had the wrong players for the wrong personnel philosophy.

Excellent analysis but there was more going on than that. Wade ruled with a powder puff hand. He was truly a player's coach. He wasn't on a Barry Switzer type level but he was pretty lax (especially with his veterans). I specifically remember a report out of training camp the year he got axed when they were running offensive plays and they were not executing well at all. Garrett wanted to make the players continue to practice the play until they got it right. Wilson overruled and told everyone to move along. Garrett was NOT a happy camper (by reports).

Ware told the media that when Jones addressed the team that the players are the one's that got their coach fired, and I agree, to an extent. When your coach gives you that much leeway, it's on you to produce and reward your coach (and your teammates) for his trust in your professionalism and leadership. It's also just as much on Wade for not demanding more out of his players in execution and guiding that group to better execution. I can understand being a player's coach but when those players are going to put your *** on the street? Maybe it's time to go back and make sure that your team can actually execute a play or game plan before just "moving on" because, if not, moving on is exactly what you'll be doing.

 

[Seven]

I think it was pretty simple. There were two seperate issues:

1. Jason Garrett, the offensive coordinator, answered directly to Jerry Jones. The only time he interracted with Phillips was practice scheduling and during times when a decision has to be made in a game.

Wade, who was also the defensive coordinator answered directly to Jerry Jones.

So, if the offensive coordinator and.the defensive coordinator both answered directly to the same person, what do you call that person. Yes, Jerry Jones was making coaching decisions.

2. The 3-4 defense built by Bill Parcells was a traditional style 3-4, huge NT Jason Ferguson, DE's built like DT's in Canty and Spears, althetic all purpose LB's with speed and pass defending capability. The front 3 rushed the QB in a controlled manner while the real pressure came from the mystery 4th pass rusher, capable of being any of the other 8 defenders on the field. The D-line would clog the line and the LB's made the plays.

The personnel that Parcells built his defense with were not compatible to Wade's 3-4 which called for a more traditional type of DE. Also, Wade used Ware as a designated pass rusher so there wasn't much mystery as to who was rushing the QB. In other words, Wade's 3-4 was more like a 4-3 out of position.

So they lost Canty and Spears, Ratliff played well but was too small overall for the run defense.

Additionally, Parcells built a running O-line, Davis and Columbo were never meant to drop back and pass protect 70% of the time and that caused problems.

In a nutshell they had the wrong players for the wrong personnel philosophy.

This doesn't make sense. The whole team quit on him. Not just the defense. Losing 2 dude's wasn't the whole reason the team quit, IMO........ thanks tho. I do think some of this is probably a part of the reason.

 

[Redball Express]

I sure wish I knew happened there with Wade and the team. Really knew, not just speculation.

Jason Garrett

 

[Garrettop]

Wade Phillips is a great defensive coordinator and that is the limit of his ability. It's nothing to be ashamed of but he simply doesn't have the HC ability - he is not a leader of men.

 

[plasticman]

This doesn't make sense. The whole team quit on him. Not just the defense. Losing 2 dude's wasn't the whole reason the team quit, IMO........ thanks tho. I do think some of this is probably a part of the reason.

The reason they quit on him was because they didnt respect him because they knew he wasnt really the Head Coach, Jerry would overrule him so he never really had the team in the first place.

 

[Risen Star]

The reason they quit on him was because they didnt respect him because they knew he wasnt really the Head Coach, Jerry would overrule him so he never really had the team in the first place.

That true but all teams operate that way. So not sure what point you're making.

 

[Idgit]

Excellent analysis but there was more going on than that. Wade ruled with a powder puff hand. He was truly a player's coach. He wasn't on a Barry Switzer type level but he was pretty lax (especially with his veterans). I specifically remember a report out of training camp the year he got axed when they were running offensive plays and they were not executing well at all. Garrett wanted to make the players continue to practice the play until they got it right. Wilson overruled and told everyone to move along. Garrett was NOT a happy camper (by reports).

Ware told the media that when Jones addressed the team that the players are the one's that got their coach fired, and I agree, to an extent. When your coach gives you that much leeway, it's on you to produce and reward your coach (and your teammates) for his trust in your professionalism and leadership. It's also just as much on Wade for not demanding more out of his players in execution and guiding that group to better execution. I can understand being a player's coach but when those players are going to put your *** on the street? Maybe it's time to go back and make sure that your team can actually execute a play or game plan before just "moving on" because, if not, moving on is exactly what you'll be doing.

I imagine Wade approached a lot of things the way he approached building through the draft. His attitude was 'you get me the players, and it's my job to coach them.' Defensively, that worked great, because he's a very good DC. In a HC capacity, I have a hard time seeing him being a very effective leader with that style. He definitely deserved his own OC (shame on Jerry for allowing that rift in the first place), and he should not have been saddled with an inexperienced first-time coordinator on that side of the ball. Just a bad organizational decision from a guy who ought to have known better. If he wanted Garrett to be his HC, he should have just pulled the trigger and lived with the growing pains.

That said, the players really did love Wade. Especially on defense. The media didn't, the fans didn't, and I don't know how much respect the staff had for his ultimate authority (it would be hard for them to have much, honestly), but he's a hell of a defensive coach, and a pretty cool dude, overall. Good to see him having success in Denver.

 

[Vanilla2]

Such a weird topic to be discussing

I strongly disliked wade as an HC

and I can tolerate JG as long as things are going well

 

[plasticman]

That true but all teams operate that way. So not sure what point you're making.

Teams absolutely don't operate that way. The Head Coach runs the team, the GM runs the organization. GM's do not instruct Head Coaches on game plans, depth charts, offensive and defensive philosophy, starting lineups, play calling, or the degree to which a player contributes to the team. GM's do not communicate with the media in regards to team performance.Jerry Jones did all of this, he undermined the authority of his Head Coach who began to lose respect when things got tough.

Wade never really got a fair shake and it was the GM who should have been fired in 2010....., heck, in 2000.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I read in here many many times during the offseason that this franchise has been run into the ground and is not relevant any more.

 

[MRV52]

All these crazy stats everyone is coming out with. My head is read to explode, can we just win on Sunday.

 

[Seven]

That true but all teams operate that way. So not sure what point you're making.

Oh, stop it. If you seriously believe that your street cred just took a major blow. C' mon Risen........

 

[Seven]

All these crazy stats everyone is coming out with. My head is read to explode, can we just win on Sunday.

Stats are worthless. They change with every throw, catch, run, tackle......just lace up and play.

 

[Seven]

The reason they quit on him was because they didnt respect him because they knew he wasnt really the Head Coach, Jerry would overrule him so he never really had the team in the first place.

But they respected him all the way to home field advantage in the playoff's the year prior. I'm sure the hierarchy was the same then. What gives........I hope Wade has a last say when he retires. Doubt it tho..... he's too good of a man.

 

[Joe Realist]

is it time to break this out?

 

[plasticman]

But they respected him all the way to home field advantage in the playoff's the year prior. I'm sure the hierarchy was the same then. What gives........I hope Wade has a last say when he retires. Doubt it tho..... he's too good of a man.

As I stated, when things got tough. It's easy to get along when you are winning. As I recall, they were on the brink, written off as they were facing an undefeated Saints team.

Heroes like DeMarcus Ware, Tony Romo and even Felix Jones turned them around at just the right time. However, it was inevitable due to a confusing chain of command, that they would eventually falter.